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00:37:03  <mdedetrich>sberryma_: loggly in general I heard has issues
00:37:15  <mdedetrich>I am probably personally going to move to mongohq for logging
00:37:17  <sberryma_>yeah, i'm not really a fan
00:37:52  <mdedetrich>I wonder if papertrail is any better
00:39:27  <blakmatrix>peopl have relly been liking https://logentries.com/doc/nodejitsu/
00:39:56  <blakmatrix>but I hear next week we will push our winston solution into prodution
00:40:33  <mdedetrich>the thing that matters to me most
00:40:38  <mdedetrich>is that it comes up instantly
00:40:51  <mdedetrich>(like you log something, and it shows up instantly on the site)
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00:41:09  <coderarity>yeah, and that it actually shows up :D
00:41:25  <mdedetrich>@coderarity: yeah I have to say, the USUALLY helps
00:41:28  <sberryma_>hahah
00:41:34  <mdedetrich>*that
00:41:43  <sberryma_>whoa, this mongodb chrome plugin is pretty sick
00:41:53  <mdedetrich>I mean, some people may use loggly to star at beavers all day
00:41:58  <mdedetrich>but me, im old fashioned
00:42:00  <mdedetrich>I use it for logs
00:42:07  <mdedetrich>*star = look
00:42:22  <mdedetrich>@blakmatrix: is there a winston wrapper for logentries
00:42:30  <mdedetrich>sberryma_: what plugin are you talking about
00:42:41  <mdedetrich>sberryma_: i have been looking for non shitty mongodb ui
00:42:43  <coderarity>mdedetrich: yes
00:42:55  <mdedetrich>I used to use mongohub, but it feels like crashing all the time
00:43:00  <sberryma_>mdedetrich: https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/mongo-live/apgglicbkgjcfnohdcgbcobengnkcjef
00:43:23  <mdedetrich>oh tahts for stats
00:43:34  <sberryma_>right
00:43:39  <mdedetrich>im more looking for reading collections and entries and stuff
00:43:43  <mdedetrich>I have mongohq take care of stats
00:44:08  <sberryma_>ahh
00:44:11  <mdedetrich>@coderarity: i cant seem to find it?
00:44:23  <sberryma_>how are the stats for mongohq?
00:44:29  <sberryma_>do they have them for all pricing plans?
00:44:37  <mdedetrich>really beuatiful, and yes, all pricing plans
00:44:47  <sberryma_>everything except the 2GB one
00:45:02  <mdedetrich>well yeah the sandbox one, I mean i can send you a screenshot
00:45:55  <sberryma_>wow, dedicated plans are expensive
00:46:06  <mdedetrich>sberryma_: yeah, thats because dedicated hosts are expensive
00:46:18  <mdedetrich>you really shouldn't need those until you start hitting heavy traffic
00:46:20  <sberryma_>i have a small instance on joyent cloud running
00:46:23  <coderarity>mdedetrich: https://github.com/rjrodger/node-logentries
00:46:50  <mdedetrich>@coderarity: cheers
00:47:21  <mdedetrich>sberryma_: I would only get dedicated if you are hitting something like >10k reads a second
00:47:36  <mdedetrich>the main point of dedicated is because the machine is dedicated, you have guaranteed performance
00:47:40  <sberryma_>right
00:47:55  <sberryma_>i ended up just creating a 1 GB joyent smartos mongodb which also has redis running
00:48:03  <sberryma_>oh yeah and rabbitmq
00:48:20  <mdedetrich>the nice thing about mongohq is its a cloud service
00:48:25  <sberryma_>right
00:48:36  <mdedetrich>I don't have to worry about any mongodb admin stuff, because tbh, thats really painful with mongodb
00:48:38  <sberryma_>it is amazing how stable joyent vms are
00:48:47  <mdedetrich>especially when you get into sharding and replica sets
00:48:54  <mdedetrich>you can thunk solaris for that
00:48:57  <mdedetrich>*thank
00:49:10  <mdedetrich>sberryma_: but seriously, the stats for mongohq are ridiculously good
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00:50:01  <mdedetrich>they have graphs and everything
00:50:03  <sberryman>can you share a screenshot?
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00:53:04  <mdedetrich>sberryman: email/
00:53:08  <mdedetrich>imgur is failing
00:53:12  <sberryman>shaun@shaunberryman.com
00:53:50  <sberryman>mms (from 10gen) is actually pretty detailed as well
00:54:09  <mdedetrich>done
00:54:20  <mdedetrich>also their online database view is fantastic (for quick viewing)
00:54:26  <sberryman>those are nice
00:54:53  <mdedetrich>but for rapid prototyping, I need something that lets you edit the db
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00:55:54  <isaacs>jesusabdullah: Hey, so, you're publishing hoarders every week, I hear.
00:56:09  <isaacs>jesusabdullah: Can you make it do a force publish, rather than a new version each time?
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00:57:15  <isaacs>jesusabdullah: or, unpublish the old versions?
00:57:48  <sberryman>isaacs: how do you see old package versions on npmjs.org?
00:58:43  <isaacs>sberryman: /package/<pkgname>/<version>
00:58:56  <mdedetrich>sberryman: oh that is mms?
00:59:00  <mdedetrich>had no idea
00:59:24  <sberryman>isaacs: i mean a list of old versions
00:59:49  <sberryman>for instance: https://npmjs.org/package/hoarders (can i see a list of all the old versions?)
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01:02:10  <jesusabdullah>isaacs: maybe? I haven't actually made it do that (yet)
01:02:17  <jesusabdullah>isaacs: that's a --force ?
01:02:29  <mdedetrich>what is hoarders used for anyways?
01:02:41  <jesusabdullah>https://github.com/jesusabdullah/hoarders
01:02:42  <mdedetrich>is that what nodejitsu uses to cache npm packages or somethin
01:02:45  <jesusabdullah>no
01:02:53  <jesusabdullah>it's a convenience library
01:02:59  <mdedetrich>for what
01:03:08  <mdedetrich>whats it conveniant for?
01:03:58  <mdedetrich>like whats the use case for it
01:04:55  <mdedetrich>(I'm not trying to be a douche, im seriously asking)
01:05:09  <jesusabdullah>isaacs: done
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01:05:59  <coderarity>mdedetrich: should read the docs, super useful
01:06:05  <coderarity>it's like the swiss army knife of node
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01:06:29  <mdedetrich>im reading the docs
01:06:51  <jesusabdullah>mdedetrich: you'll find https://github.com/jesusabdullah/hoarders/blob/master/build.js enlightening
01:06:52  <mdedetrich>its just a package of other packages?
01:07:22  <mdedetrich>ooooohhh
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01:17:08  <dshaw_>"we have send"
01:17:09  <dshaw_>http://cl.ly/image/3g3k310p2c06
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01:27:05  <coderarity>lol
01:28:32  <InspiredJW>coderarity: can you help clean up snapshots I have?
01:28:43  <InspiredJW>old snapshots..
01:31:11  <coderarity>InspiredJW: you can use `jitsu snapshots destroy`
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01:32:01  <coderarity>InspiredJW: or, if you want to get rid of all old snapshots, `jitsu destroy && jitsu deploy`, but then only the current version will be deployed with a snapshot
01:32:14  <InspiredJW>oh i see
01:32:30  <InspiredJW>jitsu destroy --> destory my app? or simply destroy old snapshots?
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01:33:32  <mdedetrich>@coderarity: is there any reason to destroy old snapshots
01:33:34  <InspiredJW>"An error has occurred: {"code":"ECONNREFUSED","errno":"ECONNREFUSED","syscall":"connect"}" any suggestion on this?
01:33:36  <mdedetrich>@coderarity: does it cost us?
01:33:53  <coderarity>InspiredJW: destroys your app and creates a new one
01:34:02  <coderarity>InspiredJW: but in effect, getting rid of old snashots
01:34:22  <coderarity>InspiredJW: check `jitsu logs`, see what's up
01:34:24  <InspiredJW>does it reset my ENV variables as well?
01:34:33  <InspiredJW>if I do that?
01:34:48  <coderarity>InspiredJW: yeah, you can put those in a package.json to prevent that
01:35:07  <InspiredJW>can I put ENV variables in package.json?
01:35:09  <InspiredJW>How?
01:35:52  <mdedetrich>by praying to the almighty bacon lord
01:36:09  <coderarity>InspiredJW: this is one way https://npmjs.org/doc/json.html#config
01:36:20  <coderarity>i think there's another way, give me a sec
01:39:03  <coderarity>InspiredJW: ah, you can use the "env" variable in your package.json
01:39:04  <coderarity>just tested
01:39:14  <coderarity>InspiredJW: "env": { "variable": "value" }
01:39:26  <InspiredJW>case sensitive?
01:39:41  <InspiredJW>I want to specify "TZ"
01:39:56  <coderarity>it's the same as `jitsu env`
01:40:20  <coderarity>it's case sensitive
01:41:02  <InspiredJW>okay :)
01:41:03  <InspiredJW>thanks
01:41:10  <coderarity>np
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01:41:24  <InspiredJW>I have lots of "Caught exception: TypeError: Cannot read property 'info' of null" on my JITSU LOGS
01:41:33  <InspiredJW>have any ideas?
01:41:47  <InspiredJW>and... I have 4/2 drones
01:42:04  <coderarity>let's start with the first one
01:42:16  <coderarity>InspiredJW: can you paste the entire error to gist.github.com?
01:43:58  <InspiredJW>https://gist.github.com/90ddd734dec2b4bb5900
01:44:42  <coderarity>InspiredJW: do you have a process.on('error') handler? can you make it print out a stack?
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01:45:09  <coderarity>InspiredJW: i mean, a process.on('uncaughtException'
01:45:15  <InspiredJW>Yeah I have that already
01:45:23  <InspiredJW>process.on 'uncaughtException', (err) -> console.log "Caught exception: #{err}"
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01:45:39  <InspiredJW>That produces "Caught exception: TypeError: Cannot read property 'info' of null"
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01:46:46  <coderarity>InspiredJW: can you add `if(err.stack) console.log(err.stack)`
01:47:00  <InspiredJW>somehow now it works..
01:47:00  <coderarity>so we can see where that came from?
01:47:11  <InspiredJW>okay I'll add that
01:47:25  <InspiredJW>inside of process.on 'uncaughtExcpetion' ?
01:47:28  <coderarity>no
01:47:34  <coderarity>add it inside the function
01:48:49  <coderarity>i think with coffeescript you've got to move the console.log to the next line and indent it once more, and then put what i said to the next line with the same indentation
01:49:01  <InspiredJW>yeah
01:49:06  <mark___>I'm getting internal server errors for my app
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01:49:35  <coderarity>mark___: check `jitsu logs` - internal server error is an error from your app
01:49:37  <mark___>but nothing is logged in jitsu logs
01:50:13  <coderarity>mark___: username/appname?
01:50:23  <mark___>flow/operator-api
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01:52:46  <coderarity>mark___: 'Cannot GET /' - which path is returning the internal server error?
01:53:16  <mark___>it's returning an internal server error when i try to handshake with socket.io
01:53:22  <coderarity>oh, i see
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01:56:16  <coderarity>mark___: it works locally?
01:57:09  <mark___>yeah
01:58:36  <coderarity>mark___: how are you connection to socket.io in your client?
01:58:56  <InspiredJW>I think my error was due to "4/2 drones"
01:58:59  <InspiredJW>It has gone..
01:59:07  <coderarity>InspiredJW: alright
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01:59:15  <coderarity>InspiredJW: maybe it just took a while for old drones to shut down?
01:59:25  <InspiredJW>:) possibly
01:59:31  <coderarity>InspiredJW: that change I rcommended is probably still a good idea :D
01:59:38  <InspiredJW>and old snapshots deletion did not work
01:59:45  <InspiredJW>jitsu destroy && jitsu deploy
02:00:04  <coderarity>wow, really? you still have all the old snapshots?
02:00:38  <coderarity>looks like it did in the database
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03:00:01  <mikeumus>Hey Gang, so I'm in Cloud9IDE, I've 'jitsu install http-server' and I tried to deploy but I'm not in ez-mode yet I guess. How do I eploy ez-mode? in package.json or in http-server somewhere? Thanks.
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03:02:36  <mikeumus>it's still saying it can't find at index.html: https://gist.github.com/4158081#comments
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03:04:19  <coderarity>mikeumus: looking
03:05:00  <mikeumus>coderarity: okay cool, thanks coderarity, I did do a search for ez-mode nodejitsu and ez-mode node with no luck
03:06:18  <coderarity>mikeumus: i think it was a joke :D
03:06:49  <mikeumus>ohh 8)
03:07:31  <coderarity>mikeumus: the index.html file goes in the public/ folder - also, no need for the javascript clojure
03:07:31  <mikeumus>so it there a easy enough way to render/serve simple html, css, js files?
03:07:52  <mikeumus>I have it in the public folder now
03:08:05  <coderarity>oh, okay, one second
03:08:35  <coderarity>mikeumus: can I have your username/appname?
03:09:33  <coderarity>mikeumus: you just ran `jitsu install http-server` and then put files in the public folder?
03:10:01  <mikeumus>it's never deployed successfully, how would you access it like that? yeah
03:10:05  <mikeumus>then jitsu deploy
03:10:25  <coderarity>mikeumus: hmmm, that's a good point, actually
03:10:56  <mikeumus>let me try again
03:10:59  <coderarity>mikeumus: in any case, it says there's an index.html in the root directory
03:10:59  <coderarity>mikeumus: can I see the package.json as well?
03:11:08  <mikeumus>k
03:12:49  <mikeumus>what's your email? I can invite you to the C9 workspace
03:12:58  <coderarity>coderarity@gmail.com
03:13:01  <mikeumus>cool
03:13:35  <mikeumus>Sent
03:14:09  <mikeumus>There isn't a index.html in the root but there is one in http-sever/public
03:14:33  <coderarity>mikeumus: oh, cd into the http-server directory
03:14:56  <mikeumus>ok
03:15:16  <coderarity>after that, you should be able to deploy
03:15:31  <mikeumus>ohh okay
03:15:54  <coderarity>mikeumus: also, `node ./index.html` doesn't make sense - node only runs javascript files
03:16:15  <coderarity>mikeumus: if you want node to serve your website, you could run `node http-server/bin/http-server`
03:16:46  <mikeumus>okay cool
03:16:57  <mikeumus>I'l try these out thanks
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03:21:18  <mikeumus>should I replace http-server's package.json before deploying?
03:22:14  <coderarity>no
03:22:19  <coderarity>it should guide you throught what you need to change
03:22:58  <mikeumus>k
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03:30:26  <mikeumus>no need for a start stript then or is it just './index.html' ?
03:30:42  <coderarity>mikeumus: the start script is inside http-server/package.json
03:30:58  <coderarity>mikeumus: it should be "node ./bin/http-server"
03:31:06  <mikeumus>yeah but I'm going through the wizard making it now, ohh ok
03:31:20  <mikeumus>thanks
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03:32:58  <coderarity>mikeumus: it should only ask for the subdomain, and then you can just press enter for the "engines" part
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03:34:40  <mikeumus>getting a error:
03:34:45  <mikeumus>https://gist.github.com/4166632
03:35:25  <mikeumus>pardon, my noobness is up there
03:36:12  <coderarity>mikeumus: just add "colors": "0.6.x" to your "dependencies" field in http-server/package.json
03:36:44  <mikeumus>k
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03:38:34  <mikeumus>what is colors?
03:39:17  <coderarity>mikeumus: it's a module that lets you color output
03:39:34  <coderarity>mikeumus: like "color me!".red will print red text in the console
03:39:45  <mikeumus>I see
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03:39:49  <coderarity>well, console.log("color me".red)
03:39:50  <coderarity>but yeah
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03:44:56  <mikeumus>it's deployed! Victory!
03:45:00  <mikeumus>Thanks coderarity
03:45:07  <coderarity>hooray!
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04:41:07  <mikeumus>anybody win anything? I got the first number right.
04:41:11  <mikeumus>5
04:41:38  <mikeumus>I never play but the freenzy got the best of me
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06:30:38  <Nodejitsu-Github>jitsu/env-loadsave 3f4c245 Christian Howe: [feature] added `jitsu env load` and `jitsu env save`
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08:07:20  <booyaa>mmalecki: got nice alias for you or anyone else who travels on trains (w/ a flakey cell net connection) alias scpresume="rsync --partial --progress --rsh=ssh"
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09:11:21  <booyaa>hey nodejitsu guys, i can't stop this app: https://gist.github.com/4167734
09:11:30  <booyaa>is it because the app name is mixed case?
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09:11:54  <booyaa>the app is jsonTest and subdom is jsontest
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09:18:07  <`3rdEden>booyaa: have you tried stopping through our web interface as well?
09:18:32  <`3rdEden>(https://webops.nodejitsu.com)
09:21:10  <booyaa>no will give it a whirl
09:21:43  <booyaa>interesting it's stopped now
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09:22:38  <booyaa>awesomes
09:23:12  <booyaa>`3rdEden++
09:23:25  <booyaa>how in the hell are you guys going to keep track of employee of the month ;)
09:23:31  * booyaacries for kohai
09:24:07  <`3rdEden>someone brutally murdered kohai, i'm just gonna blame coderarity for that ;)
09:24:40  <`3rdEden>and kohai was never nice to me anyways, so i'm not mourning for it's loss (he didn't like the backtick in my nickname :p)
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10:01:56  <cesconix>hi all, who tells me what is a "drone" ?
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11:02:08  <booyaa>the minimum unit/virtual machine that can run a node.js job
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11:02:25  <booyaa>not sure how you get apps to utilise multiple drones though
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11:51:59  <Nodejitsu-Github>node-http-proxy/master 0fd5884 Fedor Indutny: http-proxy: 304 responses should emit 'end' too
11:51:59  <Nodejitsu-Github>node-http-proxy/master 8b3cfda Charlie Robbins: Merge pull request #337 from indutny/feature-304-end...
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12:07:06  <travis-ci>[travis-ci] Change view : https://github.com/nodejitsu/forever/compare/094ebd41d4ca...6ee6f9ab8af9
12:07:06  <travis-ci>[travis-ci] Build details : http://travis-ci.org/nodejitsu/forever/builds/3416112
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12:30:29  <Sly>Everyone doing okay in here?
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13:17:32  <svnlto>hey, whats up with the webhooks? are they meant to work?
13:17:45  <svnlto>http://webhooks.nodejitsu.com/1/auth/github
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13:21:54  <Sly>svnlto: I've heard that they're not working, but I don't know what's up with them at the moment.
13:21:55  <evangenieur>Hi I have a problem trying to deploy an app while checking for it availability : https://gist.github.com/a5597c2237f8f8cf22e3
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13:25:00  <Sly>evangenieur: 1) how long ago did you get this error? 2) upgrade jitsu.
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13:25:40  <evangenieur>just now, i'm trying to deploy a node.js knockout app to my own account
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13:25:51  <evangenieur>> jitsu upgrade ?
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13:26:16  <Sly>npm install -g jitsu
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13:27:44  <Sly>evangenieur: what does your package.json look like?
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13:28:37  <evangenieur>here it is : https://gist.github.com/a5597c2237f8f8cf22e3
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13:29:10  <evangenieur>still the same error after upgrade
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13:29:33  <Sly>evangenieur: what does your package.json file look like?
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13:30:32  <evangenieur>package.json is in the gist
13:30:40  <Sly>Oh, crap.
13:30:42  <Sly>Didn't see it.
13:31:00  <evangenieur>;)
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13:35:36  <Sly>evangenieur: why does evangeni_ keep rejoining?
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13:36:05  <evangenieur>it's my fucking home computer, my wife has to shutdown it.
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13:36:21  <Sly>Ah.
13:36:28  <evangenieur>you can kick it if you want
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13:38:37  <Sly>evangenieur: someone's looking into your deploy issue.
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13:38:45  <evangenieur>thx
13:39:08  <Sly>No problem.
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13:55:26  <FrenkyNet>my app runs good the entire time, and then after an hour or so I get this error: An error has occurred: {"code":"ECONNREFUSED","errno":"ECONNREFUSED","syscall":"connect"}
13:55:31  <FrenkyNet>any clues anyone?
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13:56:49  <Sly>FrenkyNet: what's the username/app name?
13:57:24  <FrenkyNet>ku-apps.socket-pinguin
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13:57:37  <Sly>I need the username and app name, not subdomain, please.
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13:58:01  <FrenkyNet>ku-apps is the username and PinguinApp is the appname
13:58:07  <Sly>Thanks.
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13:59:04  <Sly>FrenkyNet: it looks like you're having some errors in your application. Check `jitsu logs app PinguinApp`, or check your logs on http://webops.jit.su
13:59:29  <FrenkyNet>Sly: then how come it runs for hours and then breaks?
14:00:03  <Sly>FrenkyNet: our system restarts your script if it crashes. So if it runs into a fatal error, it doesn't stay down.
14:01:02  <FrenkyNet>Sly: ok, so this isn't a fatal error then?
14:01:23  <FrenkyNet>and it stayed like that so clearly no restart stuff going on there
14:01:24  <Sly>It appears that it does restart the script.
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14:01:33  <Sly>So if it restarts the script during your request, you will get an ECONNREFUSED error.
14:01:41  <Sly>That means it's crashing during your request.
14:02:02  <FrenkyNet>so basically it crashed, restarted and crashed during startup?
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14:03:16  <Sly>If it crashes, it will restart. But if you are making a request when it crashes, you will get an ECONNREFUSED error in your browser.
14:03:29  <Sly>So if you're getting repetitive ECONNREFUSED errors, then it's probably crashing during your request.
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14:04:46  <FrenkyNet>how long does a restart usually take? (this is a super small app btw just one socket and a intervalled check of change of an external xml
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14:04:59  <Sly>Restarts are immediate after it crashes.
14:05:01  <Sly>There's no delay.
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14:05:35  <FrenkyNet>so in theory if I see that page and refresh a couple of times it should go away?
14:05:43  <FrenkyNet>because that didn't happen
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14:05:48  <Sly>It should, as long as your app doesn't continue to crash.
14:05:54  <Sly>But like I said, you *do* have a fatal crash in your logs.
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14:06:06  <Sly>So if you have caching enabled on your browser, your browser could have the page cached? Not sure if it would or not.
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14:06:20  <Sly>I keep cache disabled in my browser just for reasons like that.
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14:07:28  <mmalecki>when in doubt, try CURL
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14:08:59  <evangenieur>Sly I have to logoff my train is at destination, could the support team send me back a mail when issue has been resolved ?
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14:09:24  <Sly>mmalecki: evangenieur ^
14:09:42  <mmalecki>evangenieur: sure, I'll look into it more closely now
14:10:15  <Sly>evangenieur: PM me or mmalecki with your email and one of us will get back to you.
14:10:53  <evangenieur>thx
14:12:20  <Sly>No poblem.
14:12:21  <Sly>*problem
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15:15:00  <FrenkyNet>I'm fairly new to nodejitsu, but is the dashboard always this slow?
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15:15:20  <FrenkyNet>by dashboard I mean webops stuff
15:15:21  <Sly>FrenkyNet: what do you mean?
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15:15:29  <Sly>What's slow about it?
15:15:56  <FrenkyNet>a pageload of around 5 to 8 seconds?
15:16:11  <FrenkyNet>and it's not my internet connection
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15:16:39  <FrenkyNet>loading logs takes about 3 or 4 seconds
15:17:16  <mmalecki>logs are slow unfortunately. we're rolling out a new logging software next week
15:17:49  <FrenkyNet>mmalecki: that's just one part though, it's also the account part, basically every part of webops
15:22:04  <`3rdEden>FrenkyNet: it could probably be made faster, but it's a fairly new service so we are currently focusing on stability and feature parity with jitsu
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15:23:23  <`3rdEden>FrenkyNet: we have had some performance issues with chargify's API and unfortunately it's data is almost needed on every page.
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15:26:04  <FrenkyNet>`3rdEden: ah yeah, that can add up pretty quickly, although I'd think you guys would do some basic caching for those requests locally?
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15:27:02  <`3rdEden>FrenkyNet: I already cache really heavy calls to chargify, like getting usage information for large plans which requires mulitple api calls to chargify
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15:28:00  <`3rdEden>FrenkyNet: but i'll see what I can do about it
15:29:07  <FrenkyNet>`3rdEden: cheers :) that'll give people a better feel for the service.
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16:05:56  <dk01>Does Nodejitsu controls how long an idle websockets stay open or if there is a timeout of any time?
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16:10:43  <indexzero>dk01: Right now I think the timeout is related to this pull-request in node-http-proxy: https://github.com/nodejitsu/node-http-proxy/pull/311
16:10:54  <indexzero>so on an idle connection we'll drop after about four minutes
16:11:00  <indexzero>but the intention is not to do that ever
16:11:09  <indexzero>and let sockets be open for at least 1-2 hours before closing them
16:11:20  <MikeL2D>Morning Jitsu crew!
16:11:22  <indexzero>but we have to get that PR fixed first, if you want to fix it you'd be a HERO
16:11:40  <indexzero>I want to be clear that this is an **idle** connection
16:11:51  <indexzero>so if you have an active web socket it will be open indefinitely
16:13:51  <MikeL2D>Anyone have a few minutes to help a new user with a general error?
16:13:59  <yawnt>MikeL2D: sure, what's up? :)
16:14:28  <MikeL2D>Thanks yawn
16:14:32  <MikeL2D>so
16:14:50  <MikeL2D>I'm trying to run a simple js, but i'm getting an internal server error (500)
16:15:08  <MikeL2D>info: Creating snapshot 1.0.0-1 info Uploading: [=============================] 100% error: Error running command deploy error: Nodejitsu Error (500): Internal Server Error error: No matching versions found
16:15:13  <dk01>cool! Thanks indexzero
16:15:24  <yawnt>MikeL2D: could you use a gist net time?
16:15:26  <yawnt>*next
16:15:31  <yawnt>(http://gist.github.com)
16:15:55  <MikeL2D>sure, I looked at it, but I didn't necessarily know what it would do
16:16:01  <yawnt>anyway usually it means that you set a npm or node version in your package.json to a specific one that is not available in the drones
16:16:02  <DTrejo>my webops.nodejitsu.com is ECONNRESETing!
16:16:03  <MikeL2D>and I've used irc in the past so I figured a chat might be a bit more instant
16:16:21  <yawnt>so you should set engines.node to '0.8.x'
16:16:29  <DTrejo>send you guys a few emails related to that, and the downtime related to syncing plan and apps
16:16:35  <yawnt>MikeL2D: irc is fine, but linking a gist here makes it easier to read ;)
16:16:36  <DTrejo>even tho i am still in dev sandbox period
16:16:45  <MikeL2D>Fair enough, makes sense
16:16:49  <MikeL2D>ok! let me try that!
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16:17:22  <yawnt>MikeL2D: also see http://errors.jit.su/No%20matching%20versions%20found for more infos :)
16:18:36  <MikeL2D>Cool thanks
16:18:38  <MikeL2D>stupid question 2
16:18:48  <MikeL2D>since I'm attempting to reploy now
16:18:58  <MikeL2D>its not giving me the ability to edit my info through the terminal
16:19:10  <MikeL2D>atleast not through jitsu deploy, like it did originally
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16:20:05  <yawnt>MikeL2D: what infos do you mean?
16:20:13  <Sly>MikeL2D: that's because the information is already written. You'll have to edit it manually, or you may be able to edit what you want with npm init.
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16:20:36  <Sly>I think `npm init` will let you change the app name, license, version, and author.
16:20:51  <yawnt>yeah but you should just text edit the infos
16:20:57  <Sly>^
16:21:00  <MikeL2D>yeah
16:21:03  <MikeL2D>was just doing that
16:21:07  <MikeL2D>un moment
16:21:11  <DTrejo>errors.jitsu is super useful
16:21:13  <DTrejo>nice to see
16:21:14  <DTrejo>it
16:21:45  <MikeL2D>aha
16:21:54  <MikeL2D>different set of errors now, but at least it isn't an internal error :p
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16:23:14  <yawnt>DTrejo: glad you like it!
16:23:29  <yawnt>MikeL2D: please paste a gist and i'll be happy to help you! :D
16:23:46  <MikeL2D>This I believe deals with the subscription on the account ;)
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16:24:28  <DTrejo>wish nodejitsu hadnt decided to default me to the small plan and knock down all my drones, yawnt. sent a few emails to info@, i hope they are dealt with. then it charged me 11 dollars even tho i am in sandbox, and also causes the webops.nodejitsu.com interface not to load w/ an ECONRESET
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16:25:23  <yawnt>DTrejo: you should probably mail support@ for these kind of things
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16:25:39  <DTrejo>i just responded to the email; will forward to support
16:25:40  <DTrejo>thanks
16:26:15  <yawnt>DTrejo: ok thanks :)
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16:28:47  * dscapeeveryone: you might enjoy this http://blog.nodejitsu.com/github-continuous-deployment
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16:29:56  <julian_duque>Yay !!! thanks!
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16:32:11  <julian_duque>dscape: but I still need to paid for the drone?
16:32:34  <Sly>DTrejo: the only thing about forcing people on a plan is that you would be charged for whatever plan you get put on. There's not a grace period between switching plans and such.
16:32:41  <dscape>julian_duque: right now yes
16:32:44  <dscape>soon, we will change that
16:32:49  <dscape>but we are still working on it
16:32:50  <Sly>Although it would have worked in your case, we can't exactly do that with everyone.
16:33:02  <dscape>julian_duque: cause it also deploys private repos
16:33:03  <dscape>:\
16:33:23  <julian_duque>but, the price for a drone is very low
16:33:51  <Sly>julian_duque: this is true.. but people may not want to be on that plan.
16:34:23  <DTrejo>Sly: mmm
16:34:29  <julian_duque>are you planning to release a free drone for OSS? :p
16:34:47  <Sly>julian_duque: not sure. I haven't heard anything about it, but I haven't been here that long either. :P
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16:38:07  <Sly>julian_duque: from what I'm told, soon.
16:38:15  <julian_duque>As I said... 1 drone for $ 3 is very very cheap
16:39:07  <Sly>Yeah, julian_duque. $3 for one drone is a pretty good deal, imo.
16:40:00  <svnlto>dscape:
16:40:14  <svnlto>how's thing nuno?
16:40:40  <DTrejo>Sly: julian_duque as mmalecki
16:40:45  <DTrejo>*ask
16:41:03  <Sly>?
16:41:09  <MikeL2D>@yawnt, you still there?
16:41:37  <yawnt>MikeL2D: yes
16:41:42  <yawnt>what's up?
16:41:46  <MikeL2D>got a gist this time
16:41:48  <MikeL2D>https://gist.github.com/6343dc5b6b5c77ede350
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16:41:51  <yawnt>thank you :D
16:42:05  <MikeL2D>No, thanks for being patient :)
16:42:12  <MikeL2D>This is all very new to me.
16:43:05  <Sly>MikeL2D: what's your username and app name?
16:43:30  <MikeL2D>tumblemj - bpass
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16:45:08  <MikeL2D>crap I have to run
16:45:12  <MikeL2D>I'll leave this up
16:45:17  <MikeL2D>I'll come back to it in about an hour or so
16:45:21  <MikeL2D>Thanks again for your help!
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16:47:47  <Sly>MikeL2D: https://gist.github.com/53d2f9d9fd1c11ad1eff
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16:50:24  <ggoodman>hey guys, congrats on the new feature :)
16:50:56  <yawnt>^ dscape
16:50:57  <ggoodman>regarding the github webhook, will nodejitsu still try and deploy to a new snapshot by incrementing the app's version?
16:51:36  <ggoodman>in other words, what will happen if I push to the deployment branch multiple times w/o changing the package.json version?
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16:56:39  <mmalecki>julian_duque: you get free drones if your app is open source
16:56:49  <anoemi>ggoodman: first off, thanks :)
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16:57:28  <julian_duque>mmalecki: :O thats good!
16:57:32  <nathan7>Hey mmalecki
16:57:34  <anoemi>ggoodman: we're looking into that for you right now
16:57:35  <nathan7>mmalecki: oh hey
16:57:37  <nathan7>mmalecki: I was unaware of that
16:57:45  <ggoodman>anoemi: looks like the version is changed somehow
16:57:45  <julian_duque>thanks mmalecki
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16:58:16  <mmalecki>just email support with name of the app and repo link
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16:58:42  <konklone1>mmalecki: do all users with open source apps qualify for free drones?
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16:59:44  <julian_duque>btw.. wich nodejitsu or faltiron projects need collaborators? I want to contribute but don't know where
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17:00:52  <Sly>julian_duque: either one. We accept pull requests on both.
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17:05:21  <anoemi>julian_duque: i guess you're probably wondering where we've got a bigger need
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17:06:35  <ggoodman>anoemi: any idea what my 'formal' expectations should be w/r/t to the snapshotting behaviour for webhook-deployed apps?
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17:10:34  <yawnt>ggoodman: it auto increments the version even if you don't update your package.json
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17:11:03  <ggoodman>yawnt: good to know!
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17:12:43  <DTrejo_>mmalecki[food]: i hope my open source apps dont count against my limits?
17:14:20  <yawnt>DTrejo_: do you mean drone limits?
17:14:25  <DTrejo_>yes
17:14:30  <DTrejo_>the limits on my plan
17:14:33  <DTrejo_>whatever those might be
17:14:42  <yawnt>atm they do, but there will be a free OSS soon
17:14:51  <DTrejo_>mm
17:14:52  <DTrejo_>okay
17:14:53  <yawnt>*free OSS drone
17:15:02  <DTrejo_>cool
17:15:33  <DTrejo_>does OSS just mean on github, or does it mean MIT/BSD as well?
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17:19:00  <ggoodman>yawnt or anoemi are predeploy and postdeploy hooks ignored using the webhook approach?
17:19:43  <yawnt>ggoodman: those are run on your machine with jitsu, so yeah ;)
17:19:58  <ggoodman>ah, bummer!
17:20:05  <yawnt>ggoodman: git has hooks though
17:20:19  <yawnt>http://git-scm.com/book/en/Customizing-Git-Git-Hooks
17:20:25  <ggoodman>that it does... will have to investigate!
17:20:26  <yawnt>so you don't need jitsu's
17:21:59  <dscape>svnlto: hey
17:22:00  <dscape>:D
17:22:53  <ggoodman>knowing how to program is no longer enough these days... there are deployment tools, testing tools, scm tools... sheesh ;-)
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17:23:18  <svnlto>dscape: i might not be the only one asking today so i keep it short
17:23:30  <svnlto>dscape: whats up with webhooks ;)
17:24:04  <evangeni_>Sly I probably found the bug regarding my problem, I had an app for the node.js knockout : http://evangenieur.nko3.jitsu.com/ which bind the same domain name as mine "webpipes.io", can you remove the domain name binding from this app ?
17:24:22  <dscape>svnlto: not much
17:24:26  <dscape>:)
17:24:36  <svnlto>obvs :)
17:24:57  <dscape>svnlto: are they not working for you?
17:25:00  <Sly>evangeni_: what was your team name during NKO?
17:25:02  <dscape>just saw the tweet
17:25:08  <svnlto>dscape: nope
17:25:11  <evangeni_>Sly evangenieur
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17:26:01  <dscape>svnlto: what happens?
17:26:44  <Sly>evangeni_: alright. I'll stop it for you since NKO is already over.
17:26:54  <svnlto>dscape: authorisation doesnt seem to be working.
17:27:23  <svnlto>dscape: also the app doesnt respond to HTTPS requests
17:27:39  <dscape>svnlto: ok let me check both claims
17:27:44  <Sly>evangeni_: it's stopped.
17:27:47  <evangeni_>can I also bind evangenieur.nko.jitsu.com ? to prevent broken link from http://nodeknockout.com/entries?sort=solo
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17:27:54  <evangeni_>Sly thx
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17:28:51  <Sly>evangeni_: you can if you want, I suppose. Not sure how visnup would want that done.
17:29:01  <svnlto>dscape: ssl seems to be back now
17:29:13  <dscape>svnlto: yeah, we had those problems hours ago
17:29:17  <dscape>before releasing
17:29:17  <dscape>:)
17:29:39  <svnlto>still errors tho
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17:30:09  <dscape>svnlto: show me
17:30:12  <dscape>ill halp
17:30:21  <svnlto>https://webhooks.nodejitsu.com/1/auth/github
17:30:31  <svnlto>this shouldnt respond with a 404 right?
17:31:17  <dscape>svnlto: lemme check
17:31:52  <dscape>svnlto: it should
17:31:53  <dscape>its a POST
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17:32:30  <svnlto>dscape: so I'm supposed to get a 404 even on a POST?
17:32:56  <svnlto>i would at last expect a 200
17:33:04  <dscape>svnlto: https://gist.github.com/1cc85124e97d1a2506de
17:33:30  <svnlto>dscape: yeap. thats what I did
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17:44:55  <dscape>svnlto: you are right
17:44:58  <dscape>status code is wrong
17:45:02  <svnlto>aha!
17:45:03  <svnlto>;)
17:45:04  <dscape>and i didnt figure it out yet
17:45:08  <dscape>but it seems to work regardless
17:45:12  <dscape>you get your token correct?
17:45:29  <svnlto>would i get the token in the response?
17:45:50  <dscape>yeah
17:45:52  <dscape>i get it
17:45:57  <svnlto>nope
17:46:00  <svnlto>no token
17:47:26  <svnlto>oh, hang on
17:48:00  <dscape>svnlto: curl -X POST webhooks.jit.su/1/auth/github
17:48:05  <dscape>just that
17:48:13  <dscape>returns "error":"auth:github:no_credentials","reason":"You didn't provide your gh credentials in the body","status_code":400}
17:48:19  <dscape>correct?
17:48:23  <svnlto>{"error":"auth:github:no_credentials","reason":"You didn't provide your gh credentials in the body","status_code":400}%
17:48:27  <dscape>yeah
17:48:29  <dscape>so its all good
17:48:30  <svnlto>seems ok
17:48:40  <dscape>sorry man im too tire by now
17:48:51  <dscape>there is likely something obvious i missed here
17:48:55  <svnlto>that's ok. I'll figure it out
17:49:02  <dscape>svnlto: i think it should work
17:49:06  <svnlto>otherwise I'll just keep nagging you
17:49:07  <dscape>if not ping me here
17:49:09  <dscape>ahah
17:49:11  <dscape>good plan sir
17:49:23  <svnlto>talk later
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17:53:21  <dscape>svnlto: ahah
17:53:25  <dscape>you know you said: http://webhooks.nodejitsu.com/1/deploy
17:53:28  <dscape>is not working
17:53:29  <dscape>?
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17:53:30  <dscape>lol
17:53:40  <dscape>thats actually you finding out a feature we have not announced :P
17:53:44  <dscape>or is tested
17:53:59  <dscape>webhooks.jit.su/dscape/nano.png *wink*
17:54:26  <booyaa>heya dscape!
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17:54:47  <dscape>heya booyaa
17:55:16  <evangeni_>Sly I still cannot bind webpipes.io, got those error "Error: App domain already exists"
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17:56:01  <Sly>evangeni_: are you using the same subdomain as you did in your nko3 app?
17:56:16  <evangeni_>Sly yes
17:56:20  <Sly>Not webpipes.io, but the actual subdomain.
17:56:23  <Sly>You need to change that.
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17:56:44  <evangeni_>ah no, forgot the number 3 in nko3 :)
17:58:42  <evangeni_>Sly : Error: App subdomain already exists
17:58:44  <Sly>evangeni_: you don't want to try to match them.
17:59:21  <Sly>If the subdomain is already registered, I.E. your nko3 app, then it's in use until the app is destroyed.
17:59:26  <Sly>Stopping it doesn't release the subdomain.
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17:59:44  <evangeni_>so how to destroy it ?
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18:02:41  <evangeni_>Sly is there a way to destroy the evangenieur.nko3 app ?
18:03:01  <Sly>evangeni_: one minute.
18:03:26  <Sly>Do you still have the credentials for your NKO account?
18:03:38  <evangeni_>no
18:03:45  <Sly>Alright.
18:03:54  <evangeni_>it doesn't work anymore
18:04:25  <svnlto>dscape: yeah says unavailable right?
18:04:28  <Sly>Give me a couple minutes.
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18:08:33  <Sly>evangeni_: try now.
18:08:46  <Sly>And make sure you don't have the subdomain set to the same thing.
18:09:14  <evangeni_>error: The subdomain requested is already in use
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18:11:13  <Sly>evangeni_: you're not using evangenieur.nko3 as the subdomain are you?
18:11:25  <evangeni_>yes I'am
18:11:28  <Sly>Don't.
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18:12:07  <evangeni_>I couldn't bind this subdomain ? it will broke links from the nko website
18:12:36  <Sly>I'm about to start the nko3 one back up.
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18:15:42  <evangeni_>Sly it's now working with webpipes.io . thx a lot :)
18:15:49  <Sly>np
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18:18:31  <nmanousos>looks like one of my apps crashed, before I restart it, could someone take a look and see what happened?
18:18:36  <nmanousos>why isn't it restarting by itself?
18:19:47  <Sly>nmanousos: what's the username/app name?
18:19:58  <nmanousos>sly: nmanousos / coolcron
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18:24:21  <Sly>nmanousos: you said it's crashing, right?
18:24:27  <nmanousos>i think so
18:24:32  <nmanousos>its not responding to web requests
18:24:37  <nmanousos>coolcron.jit.su
18:24:50  <Sly>I see it running on a drone, and outputting error logs.. but it's not the app crashing.
18:25:05  <Sly>"order sold_at is not set for ...."
18:25:22  <nmanousos>ah, so maybe this process is just taking a really long tie
18:25:23  <nmanousos>tie
18:25:25  <nmanousos>time
18:26:06  <nmanousos>you can see it still outputting logs?
18:26:10  <nmanousos>it's doing stuff?
18:26:20  <Sly>Not at the moment.
18:26:23  <Sly>It was, but it's not now.
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18:27:00  <nmanousos>any idea why it wouldnt respond to web requests then?
18:27:22  <Sly>Not sure.
18:27:40  <Sly>Just saw it do more logging.
18:29:10  <nmanousos>hmmm, k
18:29:20  <nmanousos>ah, works now
18:29:21  <nmanousos>:)
18:29:21  <nmanousos>thx
18:30:22  <Sly>np. Looks like you might be getting caught in some kind of error in your app.
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18:44:09  <MikeL2D>Thanks Sly. Any suggestions?
18:44:41  <Sly>MikeL2D: It's an error in your app. You probably meant to include `./index`, not `index`.
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18:45:52  <MikeL2D>ah I have ../index
18:46:30  <MikeL2D>from before then changed it to index when i moved it into a different directory
18:47:41  <MikeL2D>hmm
18:47:46  <MikeL2D>changed it and got the same error.
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18:49:18  <Sly>It should work if you have the right path in it.
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18:50:44  <MikeL2D>should I just extend it to the entire path?
18:50:49  <MikeL2D>oppose to using . or ..
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19:07:19  <MikeL2D> @sly, is there a proper way to call the path? I'm certain i'm in the right path, but I continue to get the same error.
19:07:51  <Sly>Uhm..
19:07:58  <Sly>you can try __dirname + '/../index' or something
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19:28:12  <jesusabdullah>I usually use path.resolve
19:28:16  <jesusabdullah>path.join is also useful
19:28:24  <Sly>^ works too
19:28:28  <jesusabdullah>path.resolve(__dirname, './foo/bar/baz')
19:29:04  <MikeL2D>Hmmm
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19:54:57  <Sly>Everyone doing okay in here?
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19:58:53  <jesusabdullah>you guys might like this http://www.reddit.com/r/javascript/comments/1401jo/js_routing_sammy_vs_flatiron_director/
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20:22:21  <Sly>Everyone alright?
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20:26:55  <iBooyaa>dude still awesome
20:26:59  <iBooyaa>thanks!
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21:27:36  <Jonny__>Just come across node & nodejitsu, been using ruby, rails, javascript & html5 responsive web design for a while now, our company now wants an new internal intranet system, and website. I have been reading a few node blogs lately and starting to love the flexibility of what it can offer without "all the magic under the hood" that rails provides. Can anyone point me to learning resources, main coding patterns, frameworks to get star
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21:45:41  <nathan7>Jonny__: you got cut off at 'frameworks to get star'
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21:45:56  <nathan7>Jonny__: Real frameworks aren't nearly as much of a thing in node
21:46:05  <nathan7>Jonny__: more composable components
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21:58:47  <Jonny__>Been reading express framework for last week, love middleware, connect flexilibilty. Cant wait to get started, just wanting to know the best way to... Thinking of express, with mongoDB/mongoose, socket.io maybe sockjs ?
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22:05:10  <dk01>dnode?
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22:06:49  <matej_>hello how can I make my app use more drones?
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22:07:00  <matej_>Currently I have "Using 1 out of 3 assigned drones"
22:07:26  <mmalecki>hi, jitsu apps setdrones <app> <number-of-drones>
22:07:30  <matej_>I would like it to use all available performance.. Is it possible?
22:07:40  <mmalecki>also, I think webops has that feature too
22:07:41  <matej_>ah ok.. <app> is app name in package.json right?
22:07:58  <mmalecki>correct
22:09:55  <matej_>I assigned drones in webops, but now it said "using 1 out of 3 drones".. Using CLI worked ty
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22:28:05  <mcaulay>Trying to install blacksmith 1 but "npm install blacksmith -g" as suggested here(https://github.com/flatiron/blacksmith) gives me the old version. Can anyone help a n00b out?
22:31:09  <cronopio>mcaulay: that should work, is weird, maybe `npm install blacksmith@1.1.2 -g` to force version
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22:38:36  <mcaulay>hmm, still having no luck. If i `npm install blacksmith@1.1.2 -g`, I get errors trying to run `blacksmith`
22:40:36  <cronopio>mcaulay: plase paste the complete log in gist.github.com, we need more details
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22:52:16  <mcaulay>ok, sorry i should have done that straight away. https://gist.github.com/4172442 I may be overlooking a step though, seems like blacksmith is trying to render a site but it doesn't exist. I think i'm missing the steps required to initially create a site?
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22:54:48  <mmalecki>mcaulay: hm, I didn't have a chance to try new blacksmith yet, but looks like README has a pretty complete introduction to how site should look like...
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22:57:44  <mcaulay>Starting to think that i may just be being lazy :/
22:58:05  <mcaulay>I'll go and dig around a bit more
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23:00:45  <svnlto>dscape: did some more digging around, as soon as I add the credentials bit from that webhook gist it keeps getting back to me with a 404
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23:41:55  <josh-k>hey dscape
23:42:23  <josh-k>i am sorry if i tweeted the handbook stuff early
23:42:27  <josh-k>i thought it was public
23:43:11  <josh-k>can i submit a PR about how this works for Travis Pro?
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23:44:12  <mmalecki>josh-k: dscape is sleeping, but I'll just say 'yes'
23:44:21  <josh-k>hey mmalecki :)
23:44:27  <josh-k>how are you?
23:44:31  <josh-k>and awesome, thanks :)
23:44:48  <mmalecki>I'm good, epicly tired with traveling
23:44:53  <mmalecki>how about yourself :) ?
23:44:55  <josh-k>you are a machine!
23:45:04  <josh-k>i am a bit sick, a man flu
23:45:09  <josh-k>apart from that I am great
23:46:23  <mmalecki>man flu? is it the "oh god I'm going to die" flu XD ?
23:46:33  <mmalecki>where are you based these days?
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23:55:38  <mdedetrich>hey peeps
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23:56:37  <mmalecki>sup
23:57:30  <mdedetrich>not much bro
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