00:01:29  <mdedetrich>@AvianFlu: what is the dot file you use to override .gitignore for jitsu
00:01:54  <AvianFlu>.npmignore
00:02:17  <cjm>blakmatrix replied
00:02:18  <AvianFlu>one of these days we'll implement a .jitsuignore but there are usually bigger things to work on
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00:08:18  <mdedetrich>AvianFlu: so to be clear, if a .npmignore exists then jitsu will read that and ignore a .gitignore
00:08:26  <AvianFlu>mdedetrich: correct
00:08:28  <mdedetrich>AvianFlu: and its the same syntax
00:09:27  <AvianFlu>I think there are a few minor differences, but it's almost always the same
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00:09:42  <AvianFlu>although I might just be remembering old bugs
00:10:06  <blakmatrix>cjm: username appname?
00:13:26  <cjm>blakmatrix hashpay/hashpay
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00:16:54  <blakmatrix>cjm: you're all set
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00:19:26  <blakmatrix>cjm: quick question
00:19:54  <cjm>yep
00:20:14  <blakmatrix>so what happens if some one was to retweet a payment?
00:20:15  <cjm>ty
00:20:55  <mdedetrich>AvianFlu: can you give me the logs of the latest starts, same app/username as before
00:21:07  <AvianFlu>mdedetrich: what have you seen on your end
00:21:16  <cjm>blakmatrix nothing would happen, retweets are thrown out right away
00:21:33  <blakmatrix>cjm: cool... neat app :)
00:21:38  <mdedetrich>AvianFlu: https://gist.github.com/7541bb4775421ab4ee56
00:22:07  <cjm>blakmatrix thanks!
00:22:27  <AvianFlu>mdedetrich: I see a bufferutil compile error as your last error
00:22:35  <AvianFlu>isn't that addon 0.4-only?
00:22:48  <AvianFlu>oh wait
00:22:49  <AvianFlu>that's not you
00:22:51  <AvianFlu>just a sec
00:23:38  <AvianFlu>oh wait, yes it was
00:23:40  <AvianFlu>you're 3dot, right?
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00:24:20  <mdedetrich>@AvianFlu: yes
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00:36:14  <rvagg>jitsu peeps, can you explain the "developer sandbox" to me? is it going away completely and we have to be on paid plans to do anything now?
00:37:03  <blakmatrix>rvagg: yes we are moving to paid plans, with no free option
00:37:22  <rvagg>ok, might be good to explain that on the website perhaps? it's not at all clear
00:38:03  <blakmatrix>I mean there will be a developer sandbox for new users... basically a try before you buy
00:38:13  * chiltsshould upgrade soon
00:38:19  <chilts>I keep forgetting :D
00:38:33  <blakmatrix>but once your subscription expires you have to updgarde to continue
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00:39:43  <blakmatrix>rvagg: on this page https://webops.nodejitsu.com/ it says under the developer sandbox account "Try Nodejitsu and get your first 30 days free."
00:40:27  <rvagg>on this page it doesn't: http://nodejitsu.com/paas/pricing.html
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00:45:14  <AvianFlu>rvagg: thanks, we'll get that fixed tomorrow
00:45:22  <AvianFlu>that's definitely confusing copy
00:51:03  <thl0_away>still can't log into my nodejitsu account: https://webops.nodejitsu.com/apps/thlorenz.com
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00:51:25  <thl0>since yesterday, when will that be fixed?
00:51:43  <thl0>it started happening after I subscribed for a $3/month drone
00:52:02  <blakmatrix>thl0: what is your username
00:52:06  <thl0>thlorenz
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00:52:30  <thl0>coderarity was looking at it, but I don't know how far he got with it
00:53:06  <blakmatrix>here or in a ticket?
00:53:14  <thl0>here
00:55:08  <blakmatrix>thl0: can yo utry now
00:55:22  <blakmatrix>thl0: did you change your password btw?
00:55:34  <thl0>no, not for a long time
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00:56:02  <thl0>blakmatrix: still not working
00:56:52  <thl0>blakmatrix: I got An error has occurred: {"code":"ECONNRESET"} right when I subscribed to the $3 drone - i.e. I never got a page after clicking subscribe
00:57:07  <blakmatrix>thl0: can you explain to me what your seeing... so you're logging in and then yo ugo to your apps but you can't see them?
00:57:23  <blakmatrix>ok let me look at the webops logs
00:57:38  <thl0>but I got an email with that link and confirming my subscription
00:57:48  <thl0>blackmatrix: steps:
00:57:56  <thl0>blakmatrix: 1. I logged in
00:58:18  <thl0>blakmatrix: 2. I subscribed to the drone and the browser displayed:An error has occurred: {"code":"ECONNRESET"} instead of a page
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00:59:14  <thl0>blakmatrix: 3. I got an email confirming my subscription and a shortened link to https://webops.nodejitsu.com/apps/thlorenz.com
00:59:29  <thl0>Since then when I try to log in I get that error
00:59:44  <thl0>I was able to restart my app via jitsu app though
01:01:48  <mdedetrich>@AvianFlu: https://gist.github.com/063d9f4e6d54196c3d3d
01:01:53  <mdedetrich>@AvianFlu: username is 3dot
01:03:30  <blakmatrix>thl0: would you mind going to that link again now that i got the logs up
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01:03:41  <thl0>ok
01:03:55  <thl0>done and got same result
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01:05:18  <InspiredJW>can't believe Isaac is 1 feet from me right now :0
01:05:27  <InspiredJW>I'm at Node Conference
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01:10:53  <mdedetrich>@blakmatrix: would you mind having a look at the logs above
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01:12:52  <blakmatrix>mdedetrich: sure sec
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01:18:04  <blakmatrix>mdedetrich: set your jitsu client's time out higher, yo uhave a lot of dependencies
01:18:15  <mdedetrich>@blakmatrix: how do I do that?
01:18:29  <blakmatrix>mdedetrich: use `jitsu config set timeout 480000`
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01:18:39  <blakmatrix>that will se it to max of 8 min
01:18:59  <mdedetrich>@blakmatrix: is this app specific, or just client side?
01:19:48  <blakmatrix>jitsu client side, it was your first error and its the solution for that gist you sent us
01:20:58  <AvianFlu>mdedetrich: do that and try it again
01:22:05  <mdedetrich>AvianFlu: well I did another start before I set the command and it worked
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01:22:26  <mdedetrich>AvianFlu: so I think you are right about the timeout issue, that deploy must have taken longer then normal
01:23:42  <AvianFlu>mdedetrich: it's a long list of deps you've got, by the time it leaves the build server the tarball is likely quite large
01:27:12  <mdedetrich>@AvianFlu: yeah that is understandable, its quite a large site
01:27:30  <mdedetrich>its mainly socket.io that is so god damn massive
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02:06:48  <InspiredJW>Anyone here?
02:07:03  <blakmatrix>hey
02:07:07  <blakmatrix>whats up
02:07:14  <InspiredJW>I'm at Nodeplay at Korea
02:07:19  <InspiredJW>*in Korea
02:07:23  <blakmatrix>sounds fun
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02:07:54  <InspiredJW>index_zero's time is coming
02:08:04  <InspiredJW>40 mins later
02:08:06  <blakmatrix>that sounds ominous lol
02:08:26  <InspiredJW>misinterpret
02:08:27  <InspiredJW>lol
02:08:39  <InspiredJW>I'm not talking about "the time"
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02:10:28  <InspiredJW>He will give a keynote
02:10:47  <InspiredJW>I have no idea what he is going to talk about
02:10:52  <InspiredJW>just curious :0
02:11:36  <blakmatrix>I know one thing he'll robably talk about
02:11:44  <blakmatrix>but you'll just have to wait
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02:17:38  <chilts>blakmatrix: I always wondered why you get 1 drone for $3 (0.0042c/hr), 3 for $7 (0.0033c/hr), 5 for $7 (0.0031c/hr) at increasing discount, yet at the highest number it goes back up to 0.0042c/hr? :)
02:17:48  <chilts>not completely phased by it, but just wondered
02:18:38  <chilts>(btw, I just subscribes to the $11 plan) :D
02:18:43  <chilts>subscribed even
02:19:50  <blakmatrix>chilts with the last you are paying for the ability to start stop X amount of drones as you please
02:20:14  <blakmatrix>the other ones are fixed
02:21:02  <chilts>oh I see
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02:21:11  <chilts>even more reason for a bulk discount :D
02:21:12  <blakmatrix>minimum of 11$
02:21:15  <chilts>righto
02:21:31  <chilts>that's done anyway, am glad I finally got around to upgrading
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02:21:41  <chilts>2 out of 5 drones ... I need to write more apps
02:21:47  <blakmatrix>haha
02:22:02  <blakmatrix>or scale :P
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02:22:23  <blakmatrix>`jitsu apps setdrones <num>`
02:22:59  <chilts>they're pretty low traffic at the moment :)
02:24:37  <blakmatrix>:)
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02:59:30  <isaacs>AvianFlu: yo
02:59:38  <AvianFlu>sup isaacs
02:59:44  <isaacs>AvianFlu: i want you to give me a test showing lru behaving badly
02:59:45  <isaacs>(or st)
02:59:52  <isaacs>AvianFlu: i can see that there's no memory leak in lru
03:00:01  <isaacs>AvianFlu: (just spent some time writing a test)
03:00:16  <AvianFlu>isaacs: I'll make a simple test case later this week
03:00:25  <AvianFlu>the behavior we see is the wrong file being served
03:00:27  <isaacs>AvianFlu: i'm not doubting your experience, just your hypothesis about the cuase :)
03:00:31  <isaacs>AvianFlu: awesome.
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03:12:53  <isaacs>AvianFlu: what ersion of st are you seeing?
03:14:04  <AvianFlu>isaacs: the last time I saw the error was in one internal app of ours, using 0.1.0, and one NKO entry using the same
03:14:38  <isaacs>AvianFlu: ok, that's bizarre
03:15:41  <AvianFlu>isaacs: yes.
03:15:59  <AvianFlu>I don't rule out it being some bizarre misconfiguration of ours, or our version of SmartOS
03:16:01  <AvianFlu>but I really don't know
03:16:07  <AvianFlu>I'm just stabbing in the dark with this one
03:17:12  <isaacs>AvianFlu: i'm guessing it's not the file system
03:17:21  <isaacs>AvianFlu: but without a test, i'm forced to assume it's something on your side
03:18:21  <AvianFlu>we don't really do anything with the file system, though, so I'd be kind of surprised
03:18:42  <AvianFlu>but the whole thing is a bad surprise
03:18:44  <AvianFlu>so who knows
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03:39:33  <chilts>has indexzero made whatever his big Nodejitsu announcement is yet?
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03:44:05  <Init--WithStyle->So with Pkgcloud, we can get our jitsu running from different geo-locations then America?
03:44:15  <AvianFlu>no
03:44:24  <Init--WithStyle->Oh?
03:44:29  <Init--WithStyle->Not yet?
03:44:30  <AvianFlu>with pkgcloud, you can spin up your own instances from those cloud providers
03:44:39  <Init--WithStyle->Ah
03:44:47  <AvianFlu>we'll be adding support for other places to jitsu, using pkgcloud, over the coming months
03:45:00  <AvianFlu>but you can't use it with jitsu today like that
03:45:04  <Init--WithStyle->So basically step 1: find a cloud provider with distribution where you need it step 2: spool up the jitsu instance from that provider, correct?
03:45:10  <Init--WithStyle->Ok
03:45:13  <Init--WithStyle->The sooner the better :)
03:45:19  <AvianFlu>we agree on that :)
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03:45:27  <Init--WithStyle->Hopefully the current providers on the API have something already up in Korea...
03:45:41  <Init--WithStyle->I haven't looked into cloud hosting with korean CDN yet..
03:45:51  <Init--WithStyle->Charlie is a good presenter btw :)
03:46:57  <Init--WithStyle->The more I think about getting pkgcloud integrated with jitsu the more excited i'm getting.. it's awesome
03:47:04  <Init--WithStyle->damn the future rocks :D
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04:00:38  <st_luke>interesting
04:04:13  <st_luke>I suppose I should submit a pull request for the cloud I work for
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04:05:30  <chilts>pkgcloud looks nice :)
04:05:36  <chilts>I'll play with it later
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04:21:54  <Fauntleroy>howdy
04:22:08  <Fauntleroy>I just took a cursory glance at the recently released pkgcloud
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04:22:32  <Fauntleroy>and under database I'm seeing Rackspace (mysql!)
04:22:32  <cronopio>Fauntleroy: shoot
04:22:41  <cronopio>Fauntleroy: yes
04:22:46  <Fauntleroy>does this mean we can expect some sort of mysql requisitioning in the future?
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04:23:14  <cronopio>Fauntleroy: yes, in future
04:23:24  <Fauntleroy>ah, is there any kind of timeframe on that?
04:23:47  <AvianFlu>nothing set in stone yet
04:24:21  <AvianFlu>we'll figure out a release timeframe for it
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04:26:24  <Fauntleroy>nice :)
04:26:41  <Fauntleroy>until then I'll keep hacking away at some method for connecting to amazon rds
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05:51:37  <InspiredJW>I don't get about pkgcloud
05:51:50  <InspiredJW>is it only working in Nodejitsu?
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06:03:58  <konklone>anyone around for a quick question about requiring other JS files in jitsu's environment?
06:04:46  <konklone>this line is flagging an error on deploy, but works in development:
06:04:47  <konklone>config = require('./config')
06:04:55  <konklone>I have a config.js file in the same dir as my main app.js file, at the top-level
06:05:21  <konklone>the error is "Error: Cannot find module './config'"
06:05:38  <konklone>something I'm missing about how jitsu chooses which files to upload during deploy, or...
06:05:39  <konklone>?
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06:10:41  <diorahman>I have question for resourceful
06:11:08  <konklone>ah ha
06:11:10  <konklone>"In more detail: npm uses a file called .npmignore, which should contain a list of files and folders to ignore for the purpose of bundling. If this file does not exist, npm will use git's ignore file, called .gitignore, instead. This means that, if you want to bundle files that are ignored by git, you should create an .npmignore even if it's blank."
06:11:12  <konklone>I bet that's it
06:12:25  <Fauntleroy>have you tried require(./config.js')
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06:12:38  <Fauntleroy>require('./config.js') that is
06:14:10  <diorahman>https://gist.github.com/4116327
06:14:26  <konklone>was about to, but am trying the npmignore thing first
06:14:40  <diorahman>why we have empty article_ids after createArticle()?
06:15:00  <konklone>yeah, adding an empty .npmignore fixed it for me
06:15:25  <konklone>btw - webops.nodejitsu.com has been very slow this evening
06:15:38  <konklone>and occasionally it errors out and I get blank white pages with terse node errors
06:15:46  <konklone>just got one
06:15:58  <konklone>https://webops.nodejitsu.com/apps/[appname] yields "An error has occurred: {"code":"ECONNRESET"}"
06:16:22  <konklone>refreshing fixes it for now
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06:21:34  <Fauntleroy>that's no fix! ;)
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07:53:57  <schaermu>hi there...i'm having some issues deploying my express/socket.io app to nodejitsu. I'm either getting a "HPE_INVALID_CONSTANT" or a "ECONNREFUSED" error code (seems kinda random after deploying the same code-base multiple times). Any hint on this one?
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07:54:30  <yawnt>schaermu: you should try disabling flash sockets, set transports to websockets and xhr-polling
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07:57:06  <schaermu>well, that's kind of an issue :) we are dependant on flashsockets since we need a flash application to be able to connect to our socket server
07:57:22  <schaermu>or can this be emulated in flash using external calls?
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08:00:56  <yawnt>schaermu: uh one sec
08:01:37  <yawnt>can you try to set "flash policy port" to -1 in the config?
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08:02:11  <schaermu>hang on a sec
08:02:31  <schaermu>this is a socket.io conf, right?
08:02:52  <yawnt>yes
08:03:21  <yawnt>https://github.com/LearnBoost/Socket.IO/wiki/Configuring-Socket.IO
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08:06:32  <schaermu>yawnt: app started perfectly, testing flash integration :) thanks alot!
08:07:03  <yawnt>schaermu: pleasure!
08:07:28  <yawnt>i'm going afk now, but if you have other issues please don't hesitate to ask here or mail support@nodejitsu.com :)
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09:00:36  <schaermu>what could be the reason for my logs not being updated after a successful deployment? the last log entry is like 1 day old...
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10:06:26  <sppericat>hello!
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14:05:28  <joelongstreet>i remember hearing a while back that nodejitsu will do free hosting for open source projects. I can't find a reference to that or any instructions on how to go about setting up free hosting. Does nodejitsu still do free hosting for open source?
14:06:11  <mmalecki>joelongstreet: you talk to us :)
14:08:04  <joelongstreet>ah cool, i'm doing a series of internal demos for my company. the code will be on github and available, but it doesn't really serve the open source community. do projects like that qualify?
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14:23:48  <mmalecki>joelongstreet: I'd say so, but give me some time to verify :)
14:23:59  <joelongstreet>cool, thanks man
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14:29:51  <mmalecki>joelongstreet: yup, it'll be fine
14:30:02  <mmalecki>can you drop me app names and repos on github please?
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14:30:32  <joelongstreet>Gyro - https://github.com/joelongstreet/Gyro-Socket
14:30:47  <joelongstreet>FartCharade - https://github.com/joelongstreet/FartCharade
14:30:51  <valtido>Hi, All any help with receiving the link for the email activation ?
14:31:02  <joelongstreet>@mmlalecki - those are the only two right now
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14:33:03  <valtido>??
14:34:10  <yawnt>valtido: hey
14:34:20  <yawnt>valtido: what's up?
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14:37:51  <mmalecki>joelongstreet: thanks, I'll get to it in a second
14:38:09  <valtido>I am confused, and I don't know Node.JS community is not very friendly
14:38:27  <valtido>it feels like it is only for those who where born before 1980s
14:38:32  <valtido>using command lines
14:38:36  <valtido>etc... with no help
14:38:39  <joelongstreet>@mmalecki - thanks man. sounds good
14:39:15  <yawnt>valtido: you can read this https://github.com/nodejitsu/handbook
14:39:35  <yawnt>which is a step by step introduction to our command line tool
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14:39:50  <yawnt>valtido: also i'd recommend learning with command lines, since they're extremely useful and powerful ;)
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14:41:01  <schaermu>yawnt: almost there with my flashsocket issue, now i'm struggling with failing handshakes :/
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14:41:44  <schaermu>i get "client authorized" and "handshake authorized" messages, but the follow up message "setting request" is not being triggered on the nodejitsu systems
14:41:49  <schaermu>locally it works like a charm
14:43:22  <valtido>how long do I have to devote to understand all of this...
14:43:35  <valtido>my problem is, I am used to user interface and web development
14:43:56  <valtido>and windows (unfortunately for my generation)
14:44:12  <valtido>so all this `sudo npm install jitsu -g` mean nothing to me,
14:44:26  <yawnt>valtido: how old are you? :)
14:44:29  <valtido>as good as a foreign language
14:44:37  <valtido>24
14:44:46  <yawnt>valtido: you should start by installing linux
14:44:53  <mmalecki>or getting a mac
14:44:56  <yawnt>get used to the terminal
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14:45:02  <cronopio>valtido: node.js generally speaking have strong ideas from *nix systems
14:45:03  <mmalecki>o btw, yawnt is 19, I'm 18 :)
14:45:14  <`3rdEden>hai
14:45:26  <cronopio>valtido: and is very common have a command line interface for communicate with the system
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14:46:01  <`3rdEden>schaermu: I have been working on getting flashsocket to "work" on nodejitsu.
14:46:17  <`3rdEden>I added some extra documentation about that to the configuration wiki of socket.io yesterday
14:46:21  <schaermu>oh boy, this notation makes me shiver... :)
14:46:22  <valtido>I work as a web developer, boring PHP, js, html so, I want to learn new things as this are like my second nature :)
14:47:07  <cronopio>valtido: yeah folllow the yawnt advice and start use linux, I know some web developers that said me they improve their skills just learning linux and how the system work
14:47:17  <yawnt>also there are books about node
14:47:22  <yawnt>that start from the very begining
14:47:25  <yawnt>*beginning
14:47:45  <`3rdEden>schaermu: did you read: https://github.com/LearnBoost/Socket.IO/wiki/Configuring-Socket.IO / Advised production settings
14:47:49  <yawnt>i didn't use any books to be honest but i know someone found them helpful
14:47:58  <yawnt>i would be happy to suggest you some titles if you need them
14:48:18  <yawnt>valtido: also the node community is usually pretty nice and understanding if you're willing to learn for real
14:48:24  <valtido>ok, so suppose I get linux, and the command line, I see a black screen, where would I find a documentation how to use the black screen and what keywords to type (sorry if I sound stupid) but begginer :)
14:48:43  <yawnt>valtido: there are manuals about linux
14:49:00  <yawnt>start by googling bash
14:49:04  <anoemi>valtido: hey :)
14:49:27  <valtido>I am willing, and convinced my boss to take this root (node.js root) as it is promising and maybe the future.
14:50:08  <valtido>he is happy to pay for me to go on a course for node.js
14:50:13  <anoemi>valtido: companies that get into node now are probably doing themselves a big favor
14:50:20  <schaermu>`3rdEden: thank you for the hint, deploying...
14:51:46  <valtido>is this chatroom for node.js only or do people help each other like stackoverflow.com but faster?
14:51:52  <anoemi>valtido: I'm a node beginner too, although being on the nodejitsu team, i've had a big advantage being able to learn from some of the best people around
14:52:26  <anoemi>valtido: so this room is for nodejitsu specifically
14:52:35  <valtido>anoemi: I think I need to find these people too lol
14:53:08  <anoemi>we do hosting for node apps
14:54:04  <anoemi>our team has also maintains lots of open source projects, like our own node framework
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14:54:27  <valtido>I signed up I got an email saying to install something using this `sudo npm install jitsu -g` I have no idea what it means lol, but researching alittle about linux and command line
14:54:36  <anoemi>excellent!
14:55:47  <anoemi>how's your JS?
14:56:42  <valtido>JavaScript?
14:57:12  <anoemi>yep
14:57:13  <valtido>I would like to think very good, at it
14:57:34  <valtido>Actually I am very good (without sounding cocky)
14:57:38  <anoemi>good, that'll help
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14:58:43  <yawnt>valtido: http://www.amazon.com/Learning-bash-Shell-Programming-Nutshell/dp/0596009658/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1353422944&sr=8-2&keywords=bash
14:58:47  <yawnt>something like this could help :)
14:58:50  <valtido>I understand every letter on this page where it says Getting started,just by looking at the code... step 2 I am referring too, http://thecodinghumanist.com/blog/archives/2011/4/23/getting-started-with-node-js-on-windows
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15:00:23  <jheusala>no need to use bash to code node.js :-)
15:00:28  <jheusala>or linux at all
15:00:55  <yawnt>yeah but knowing some unix philosophy doesn't hurt :D
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15:04:02  <valtido>I have seen those `sudo npm install jitsu -g` everywhere, github, and many other place I am like nope don't understand move on, this could take me a year to learn... which I missed out a lot, so I think yawnt is right about it keep up with the rest :)
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15:06:22  <lpin>valtido, you don't need to be a guru, depends on you but it won't take much to get used with basic bash commands
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15:06:58  <t0kx>hi anyone there?
15:07:08  <lpin>a couple of weeks are enought imho
15:07:42  <Dennis_>Hello! I started getting the following error this morning. App works fine locally. Retried deployment 5 times with the same result. Can you please give me more specific information about this crash: "Nodejitsu Error (500): Internal Server Error" There was an error while attempting to deploy the app Error spawning drone Script took too long to listen on a socket This type of error is usually a user error.
15:08:00  <t0kx>if you wanna have fun and you are on firefox please come test my multiplayer game need feedback on perf
15:08:02  <t0kx>http://t0kx.tankwar.jit.su/
15:08:11  <AvianFlu>Dennis_: please paste stuff like that into gist.github.com
15:08:14  <AvianFlu>it's very hard to read like that
15:09:27  <Dennis_>My bad! Here is the same in gist: https://gist.github.com/01cc39779cf0efe672b2
15:10:21  <AvianFlu>Dennis_: okay, so, our application server expects your app to start listening on a port within 20 seconds
15:10:32  <AvianFlu>sometimes, a bunch of setup code, or a server-side build step can take too long
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15:10:50  <AvianFlu>sometimes, the shared CPUs will just be overloaded from nearby VMs
15:10:55  <AvianFlu>so, what's the app doing?
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15:12:33  <Dennis_>My app connects to Node and waits for it to respond before it starts listening. I trace all initialization steps to console.log, so I know that it takes exactly 2 seconds when I run this app locally. Unfortunately, I don't have access to console.log when I deploy the app to Nodejitsu.
15:12:50  <AvianFlu>you do - `jitsu logs`
15:12:57  <Dennis_>Oops - typo I meant to say that my app connects to Mongo.
15:13:10  <AvianFlu>however, you're on a drone with 256MB of ram and partial access to one real core
15:13:15  <AvianFlu>so it's probably quite a bit slower than your local
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15:14:38  <Dennis_>I also trace the RAM utilization. My app takes only 21MB on startup.
15:15:08  <AvianFlu>RAM usage won't have to do with the time it takes to start listening
15:15:19  <AvianFlu>try to call .listen() earlier in the code if you can, see if it helps
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15:16:02  <Dennis_>Well, I compared CPU performance too. In my tests Jitsu is roughly 50% slower than my laptop. But this should be OK because it would start in 4 seconds instead of 2 - still way below your 20 second threshold...
15:17:14  <Dennis_>I just tried 'jitsu logs' and I see logs from my current instance. Is there a way to access logs from the failed deployment? Basically, my app.js does a lot of useful tracing while it sets up the app, so if there are any issues with timing or anything else, I would love to read that trace.
15:18:01  <yawnt>Dennis_: if you want you could setup flatiron/winston and use that to trace your logs
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15:21:41  <AvianFlu>Dennis_: try a few more
15:21:57  <AvianFlu>Dennis_: also, you're leaving out different network latency
15:22:00  <AvianFlu>where's your mongo located?
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15:27:52  <acstll>hi there :) may I ask a technical question? I just deployed my first app…
15:28:31  <yawnt>sure! what's up?
15:28:54  <acstll>hi yawnt, I talked to you last time
15:28:57  <acstll>it's about logs
15:29:20  <Dennis_>My first suspect was Mongo. I host it at MongoHQ. I already tried switching from their "Sandbox" database to a paid instance, but that did not make any difference for my Jitsu deployment problem... I suspect that my app crashes before it even connects to Mongo.
15:29:24  <yawnt>what's the problem?
15:29:47  <AvianFlu>Dennis_: if you're seeing the "Script took too long to listen on a socket" message every time, it's not a crash
15:29:57  <acstll>on the web UI I don't get any logging information, it says "no logging information available yet" or something similar
15:29:59  <AvianFlu>that's our app server killing the app for not listening on an HTTP port
15:30:09  <yawnt>acstll: how are you logging?
15:30:17  <acstll>is this Logs supposed to get the messages from console.log("") ?
15:30:35  <Dennis_>I see... Is there any chance to extend the 20 second timeout?
15:30:35  <acstll>should I log any other way?
15:30:52  <yawnt>acstll: console.log should work, if you are looking for something more customizable i'd recommend flatiron/winston
15:30:59  <AvianFlu>Dennis_: not without patching every one of our 10,000 application servers
15:31:08  <AvianFlu>it's more likely something is taking longer than you expect
15:31:09  <yawnt>which also supports multiple backends including a database of your choice for instance :)
15:31:17  <AvianFlu>try another deploy and I'll have a look at it this time
15:32:11  <acstll>I will check it out
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15:32:36  <Dennis_>I just did and it worked (!) I am still quite concerned with whatever was calling the 10 failed deployment before...
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15:32:58  <acstll>I'm using mongoHQ and it works fine, also the knox library to stream to/from S3
15:33:23  <acstll>but the simple logging with console.log that works locally it's giving me nothing on nodejitsu
15:33:30  <AvianFlu>Dennis_: I'm going to talk to Joyent about those
15:33:45  <AvianFlu>we're not supposed to suffer from the "noisy neighbor" problems with their VMs, allegedly, except that we do
15:34:06  <AvianFlu>acstll: we use Loggly for logging, and they're extremely unreliable
15:34:19  <AvianFlu>we're rolling out our own logging software soon, but it's still being worked on
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15:34:47  <Dennis_>Thank you!
15:35:02  <acstll>AvianFlu: so it's not that strange that I'm not getting log messages… :(
15:35:26  <AvianFlu>acstll: they've been behaving a lot lately, except the logs this morning seem delayed
15:35:34  <AvianFlu>this is how loggly works
15:35:47  <AvianFlu>sometimes they actively throttle our data, sometimes they just drop it silently, sometimes it works fine
15:36:49  <acstll>well, at least I know it's not something to do with my app, first deploy, first node app ever, pure adrenaline
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15:37:36  <AvianFlu>acstll: yeah, your console.log stuff should be visible in the logs
15:37:57  <AvianFlu>loggly was good a while back, but they've deteriorated steadily over time
15:38:05  <acstll>the thing is that I'm using Postmark to trigger a POST request from an e-mail, and there's no way I can test that locally
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15:39:03  <acstll>AvianFlu: so, nothing weird will happen if I deploy my app every 5 minutes or so with some changes until I see it works… right?
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15:39:27  <AvianFlu>nope
15:39:30  <AvianFlu>everything should be fine
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15:40:29  <acstll>AvianFlu: thank you for your help, I appreciate it
15:40:45  <acstll>yawnt: thank you for your help, I appreciate it as well :)
15:41:05  <yawnt>acstll: anytime.. if you have more questions, i'd be happy to answer
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15:44:35  <acstll>yawnt: now that you mentioned flatiron, is it much different from express? (I'm currently using express)
15:44:56  <yawnt>acstll: it has a different approach, more modular
15:46:20  <yawnt>acstll: http://blog.nodejitsu.com/getting-started-with-flatiron
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15:48:07  <acstll>yawnt: brilliant, thanks for that link. I don't feel that much comfortable with express, but I assume it is because I'm not comfortable yet with node in the first place
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15:48:57  <yawnt>acstll: node is about minimalism, tiny modules that interact together, once you're cool with that, it's a breeze getting them to work with each other
15:50:41  <acstll>yawnt: by the way, the first deploy with jitsu was simple and straight forward, I'm really happy. One thing that wasn't working got fixed by changing "3.0.x" to "~3.0.3" for express on package.json dependencies…
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15:52:06  <yawnt>acstll: glad it was good! about the dependency, if i remember correctly tj published a version and then unpublished it
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15:52:11  <yawnt>maybe it was that that caused it
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16:17:12  <t0kx>can my drone be influenced on its performanced by the others?
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16:18:15  <yawnt>t0kx: every drone has access to a limited set of resources
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16:19:27  <t0kx>k so if more drones on the overall are active mine could see its performance decrease?
16:19:40  <yawnt>no, it shouldn't
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16:21:30  <t0kx>ok, cause i was doing some test with a websocket game this afternoon (i'm from france) and since an hour its seems to runs more slowely
16:23:09  <mmalecki>that might be due to memory leaks
16:23:26  <t0kx>even after restarting the drone?
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16:23:49  <mmalecki>can you try `jitsu apps start` on that drone?
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16:25:41  <t0kx>done still running quite slowely
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16:26:30  <mmalecki>interesting... what's being slow? as in, how can you tell?
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16:28:27  <jmaxyz>Trying to deploy to nodejitsu for the first time and got an error in the deployment process. Could someone take a look at it?
16:28:37  <yawnt>jmaxyz: sure, could you paste me the full output in a gist?
16:28:42  <yawnt>and your package.json too, thanks!
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16:36:12  <t0kx>the slow part is my html client receiving socket packet (sorry for the answer delay)
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16:56:11  <jmaxyz>I've just deployed an express and socket.io application to nodejitsu and it appears to be at least partially working because when I visit the root route, it redirects me to a deeper route like it should. However, I get a 500 when visiting that deeper route and I need to find out why. When I run `jitsu logs all` it says that there are no logs in the specified timespan. Is there something else I can do to get more details about failu
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16:57:03  <yawnt>jmaxyz: it usually happens if your app crashes
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16:57:41  <yawnt>about the logs, we're working from moving away from loggly because it's very slow. in the meanwhile you could use something like flatiron/winston to achieve custom logging
16:59:50  <yawnt>jmaxyz: by the way is it an express 500 you're getting or not?
17:00:52  <jmaxyz>yawnt: yes, it looks like it to me: https://gist.github.com/f64c56798c5804d6e939
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17:02:28  <yawnt>jmaxyz: in that case it's an error in your application, not because it's crashing
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17:04:52  <jmaxyz>Another random question: is it possible to use the coffee executable to run a server on nodejitsu
17:05:05  <yawnt>yes
17:05:08  <jmaxyz>For example, we have server.coffee that we can compile into server.js
17:05:17  <jmaxyz>It'd be nice to just run the server.coffee directly
17:05:22  <yawnt>you can link server.coffee directly
17:05:22  <yawnt>:)
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17:06:13  <jmaxyz>Awesome. Would i just specify 'server.coffee' in this prompt? prompt: scripts.start: (server.js)
17:06:27  <yawnt>jmaxyz: what version of jitsu are you using?
17:06:36  <jmaxyz>0.11.3
17:06:46  <yawnt>ok, because if you have only a server.coffee it autodetects it
17:06:54  <yawnt>yes, in scripts start :)
17:07:00  <jmaxyz>Okay, good to know
17:07:07  <jmaxyz>Thanks
17:07:16  <yawnt>you're welcome
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17:39:42  <jesse_taylor_>i deployed my app, i got this error https://gist.github.com/4119409 then i deploy again and it worked fine, what is the problem?
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17:43:40  <AvianFlu>jesse_taylor_: rackspace cloudfiles has started getting slow on us
17:43:48  <AvianFlu>it takes a few seconds for the links to be valid after uploads
17:44:05  <AvianFlu>we're working on our own file storage to replace it, but for now that's just an occasional hiccup
17:44:30  <jesse_taylor_>good that its not my code :)
17:44:33  <jesse_taylor_>thanks
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18:34:00  <hallas>How can I run two different express servers next to eachother but one on development and one on production?
18:34:03  <hallas>with forever?
18:34:49  <mmalecki>...by starting them?
18:35:03  <hallas>does it remember the env?
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18:35:16  <mmalecki>yeah, it should
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18:38:50  <BrandonGriggs>Hi, I keep getting deploy errors with "Error spawning drone Script took too long to listen on a socket". I checked errors.jit.su and it said a 20 second port listen. I've never had this issue before and my app loads up instantly on my local.
18:39:05  <BrandonGriggs>Is there more info on how to fix this?
18:39:13  <jaha>having trouble deploying, getting 404 errors and drone spawning errors, plus webops is being slowwww, issues on your end? Isnt there a server status page somewhere im missing?
18:40:55  <jaha>ohh, didnt know about errors.jit.su
18:41:27  <yawnt>BrandonGriggs: hey
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18:41:52  <yawnt>jaha: could you paste me your error in a gist?
18:42:01  <yawnt>BrandonGriggs: move your .listen() call as up in your script as possible
18:42:12  <yawnt>drones have 256 MB of ram, so it's not like your computer :)
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18:44:11  <yawnt>BrandonGriggs: we're looking into it anyway
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18:44:48  <BrandonGriggs>yawnt: https://gist.github.com/4120045
18:45:20  <BrandonGriggs>yawnt: how exactly do the drones work? Does increasing to two double the ram your app uses?
18:46:10  <yawnt>BrandonGriggs: no, it spawns two drones that run the same app :)
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18:50:26  <jaha>yawnt: https://gist.github.com/4120098
18:51:03  <BrandonGriggs>yawnt: so that's no help in this situation. I'm just curious why it's happening now? I've been deploying the same basic app hundreds of times with no issue.
18:51:55  <AvianFlu>BrandonGriggs: give us a minute, we're having a look as we speak
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18:52:14  <AvianFlu>this most likely isn't your fault, it's probably a cluster of CPU-starved drone servers
18:52:19  <AvianFlu>the "noisy neighbor" probelm
18:52:25  <BrandonGriggs>AvianFlu: thanks, gotcha
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18:52:35  <AvianFlu>we're clearing a few out and spawning some new ones, I'll let you know in a minute
18:52:36  <jaha>yawnt: deployment has been working better over the past week, late yesterday and today ive been getting problems
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18:55:30  <yawnt>jaha: rackspace is being slow in saving the snapshots
18:55:54  <yawnt>what oyu have to do is check if the snapshot is there with `jitsu snapshots list`, then run `jitsu apps start`
18:55:58  <yawnt>that should do the trick :)
18:59:04  <jaha>yawnt: rgr that, also FYI, webops is showing different info than the cli, webops shows the latest snapshot as active and running, jitsu seems to show it correctly, the snapshot exists but isnt the currently active one
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19:02:03  <yawnt>jaha: i see, thanks for reporting :)
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19:07:23  <jaha>yawnt: https://gist.github.com/4120271
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19:07:51  <yawnt>jaha: can you try to increase the timeout? `jitsu config set timeout <ms>`
19:08:00  <jaha>its at 10min now ;)
19:08:16  <jaha>it timesout way before then
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19:08:45  <blakmatrix>jaha: what jitosu version are yo uon?
19:08:55  <jaha>0.11.3
19:09:10  <AvianFlu>jaha: what's the exact value in your timeout?
19:09:12  <AvianFlu>they're in ms
19:09:19  <AvianFlu>they're read as ms, I mean
19:09:20  <jaha>600000
19:09:29  <AvianFlu>try `time jitsu deploy` for me, would you?
19:09:49  <jaha>doing time jitsu apps start now, will try that also after
19:09:59  <AvianFlu>start matters more in this case, honestly
19:10:33  <jaha>well it went through (of course) @ 1.8s
19:10:50  <jaha>4th try however
19:11:14  <AvianFlu>jaha: you might have an outdated version of a dep cached somewhere, let us know if that happens again
19:13:22  <jaha>AvianFlu: will look into, thanks
19:13:28  <jaha>2 questions
19:14:01  <jaha>1. drones spawn a new process to handle requests but still only have 256mb ram?
19:14:27  <AvianFlu>a drone is a small VPS, basically
19:14:42  <AvianFlu>it's a SmartOS zone with part-time access to one core and a total 256MB ram quota
19:14:57  <AvianFlu>we run a little bit of stuff, the OS runs a little bit of stuff, and your app gets the rest
19:14:58  <jaha>2. how long do archived snapshots stay? is there a way to remove old ones?
19:15:21  <AvianFlu>jaha: there's a delete command for snapshots - there should probably be a batch-delete, and an expiration
19:15:27  <AvianFlu>but so far they're just there ad infinitum
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19:19:01  <jetaime>hi
19:19:12  <jetaime>AvianFlu: i have a question, please
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19:19:26  <jaha>AvianFlu: forgive my ignorance but I want to make sure I understand that correctly, so do multiple drones share the same state? or am I spawning 2 identitcal apps that will create 2 connections to my db for example and wont share state? and the balancer just round-robins requests to each drone?
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19:19:42  <AvianFlu>jaha: round-robin with sticky sessions, but yeah
19:19:51  <AvianFlu>an individual user will keep hitting the same drone
19:19:59  <AvianFlu>but if you want all of them sharing state, you need some kind of backing store
19:20:01  <AvianFlu>jetaime: what's up
19:20:37  <jetaime>Avianflu: Im want to use ntwitter as a stream
19:20:52  <jetaime>to pipe it to my own stream
19:21:05  <jetaime>is there an easy way to do that?
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19:21:17  <AvianFlu>jetaime: not with ntwitter - it's not a real stream
19:21:29  <AvianFlu>there's a new streaming twitter lib in development by a startup I know, though
19:21:41  <AvianFlu>and I hope it to be out soon
19:21:50  <AvianFlu>ntwitter doesn't get maintained as much these days, I'm very busy :(
19:21:57  <jaha>AvianFlu: thanks for the help
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19:22:25  <jetaime>Avianflu: it can be out this week, please?
19:22:36  <AvianFlu>jetaime: it's not my lib, and I'm not sure
19:22:57  <AvianFlu>you could probably make a wrapper around ntwitter to properly handle pipe
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19:31:26  <jetaime>AvianFlu: the wrapper should be another module, or i should make the changes into your own?
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19:34:15  <elskwid>Howdy. Quick question: How does one go about removing "domains" from an app? I removed them from the package.json and did a redeploy but that didn't seem to work.
19:34:46  <AvianFlu>jetaime: either way
19:35:38  <AvianFlu>elskwid: try setting it to an empty array
19:36:48  <elskwid>AvianFlu: trying that now. Thanks.
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19:40:59  <elskwid>AvianFlu: MAGIC!
19:41:04  <elskwid>Thank you very much.
19:41:16  <elskwid>Want to perform one more minor miracle today?
19:41:20  <AvianFlu>elskwid: we need to document that better, but I'm glad it worked for you
19:41:23  <AvianFlu>elskwid: what's up
19:42:02  <elskwid>I am moving our node knockout app from the nko3 jitsu app to a personal one on jitsu - and had an aborted deploy because of the domain conflict.
19:42:25  <elskwid>Deleted the deployed (but inactive) version from the dashboard
19:42:39  <elskwid>but `jitsu` still reports that my local package is old
19:42:52  <elskwid>any way for me not to have to arbitrarily rev this version?
19:43:03  <AvianFlu>try `jitsu apps destroy` from the app dir, assuming it's still pointed at the nko3 user
19:43:28  <elskwid>And then just redeploy/
19:43:31  <elskwid>er, ?
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19:43:47  <elskwid>I set up the nko3 to be a redirect to the new app for the next little while
19:43:53  <elskwid>so it's okay
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19:44:01  <elskwid>It's the new app that has the aborted version living up there.
19:44:05  <AvianFlu>that will all work fine - but yeah, pretty much
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19:44:29  <AvianFlu>you could destroy the new one to clear it out, and then redeploy - that would be the easy, sledgehammer approach
19:44:50  <elskwid>ELSKWID SMASH
19:45:11  <AvianFlu>lolz
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20:06:02  <cendrizzi>Hi all, so I'm using express (I know the preferred is flatiron but I didn't even know about it until a couple of days ago) and I have a call at the bottom of my app.js that is "server.listen(3000)". When I start up my app on nodejitsu it say starting on port 80. Any idea why?
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20:07:37  <elskwid>AvianFlu: Thank you again for all your help. Thanks to you http://try.eavesdrop.io is back in business. :-)
20:07:58  <AvianFlu>elskwid: awesome! there's usually a few of us here if you have any more issues
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20:08:25  <elskwid>Will do.
20:12:35  <cendrizzi>When I do the same app locally it is listening on port 3000
20:12:37  <cendrizzi>Anything?
20:13:38  <AvianFlu>cendrizzi: load balancers
20:13:53  <cendrizzi>Ok, so it's always just 80?
20:14:04  <AvianFlu>cendrizzi: your app is listening on port 3000 on the drone server, and we balance from port 80 to whatever port you used
20:14:08  <AvianFlu>yep
20:14:23  <cendrizzi>Cool, no prob, was just confused. Thanks.
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20:17:00  <njh_>hey guys, could you help me sort out a couple of things regarding ssl certificate on a custom domain?
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20:19:52  <blakmatrix>njh_: whats up
20:21:00  <njh_>im not sure about the cacert.pem file, i followed theses steps to create one - http://adukia.blogspot.se/2012/01/creating-pem-file-from-godaddy-ssl-cert.html?m=1 - would that be correct?
20:21:31  <njh_>i also have a godaddy certificate
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20:22:50  <blakmatrix>njh_: that looks right .. the thing we want out of that article is the gd_bundle.crt
20:23:24  <blakmatrix>dont do the last step
20:23:35  <blakmatrix>we need those last 3 files seperate
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20:25:17  <njh_>ok, so i dont generate a cacert.pem file, instead i upload the gd_bundle.crt + the key + ssl.crt?
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20:26:24  <njh_>just confused cause https://ssl.jitsu.com/ asks for a cacert.pem file
20:27:32  <blakmatrix>njh_: yeah it just wants the ca cert there
20:27:55  <blakmatrix>wich may be one or 2 files together depending on your provider
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20:30:50  <njh_>okey thanks
20:31:05  <blakmatrix>njh_: let me know how that tool goes
20:31:45  <blakmatrix>njh_: its very early beta, I didnt intend it for public usage yet, so any feed back is welcome... well like functionality feedback :)
20:32:23  <njh_>i will thank you. how does the ssl tool work, is the cert active when its uploaded or do you have to manually do something to get it up?
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20:36:07  <blakmatrix>njh_: basically if you see green its installed
20:36:20  <blakmatrix>njh_: if you see red somethign is wrong
20:37:09  <njh_>the upload of the cert was fine so i will deploy my app and try it out.
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20:50:32  <njh_>thanks blak, it's working now. last question is that the cert is suppose to work on both www.domain.com and domain.com, but now it's working only on www.domain.com. is it because of something i did wrong (i filled in www.domain.com on ssl.jitsu.com when uploading) or is it something you can fix?
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20:54:25  <ebright>hi guys - just wanted to double check - a credit card is required to make use of nodejitsu, yes?
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20:59:25  <nathan7>blakmatrix: earthling, what is this socket hangup?
21:00:01  <blakmatrix>njh_: thats somethign specific to your SSL
21:00:25  <blakmatrix>nathan7: ? i need more information
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21:00:38  <nathan7>error: Error running command deploy
21:00:38  <nathan7>error: socket hang up
21:00:49  <njh_>okey, thanks for your help
21:00:56  <nathan7>before that, info: Starting app fabbmagic
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21:01:26  <nathan7>oh wait, maybe it's trying to tell me that I should pay up because my free shit is over
21:02:32  <nathan7>Or it's just a timeout from my shitey connection
21:03:34  <nathan7>That actually might be it
21:07:35  <nathan7>blakmatrix: my bad, I was using tethered 3G and left my phone downstairs.
21:07:57  <blakmatrix>3G ftw lol
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21:23:17  <nathan7>blakmatrix: Yeah, I keep forgetting to charge my phone though
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21:27:10  <mmalecki>nathan7: did I ever tell you exact days?
21:27:43  <nathan7>mmalecki: No
21:27:47  <nathan7>oh, shit
21:28:00  <nathan7>deoxxa is in here-land but I haven't hung out with him yet
21:28:31  <nathan7>deoxxa: when do you want to/can you hang out?
21:28:41  <mmalecki>nathan7: january 12th - january 19th
21:28:44  <mmalecki>nathan7: I can forward you my flight confirmation in the language of my people, it has dates
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21:29:21  <nathan7>mmalecki: That'd be an excellent idea
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21:29:38  <nathan7>mmalecki: nathan at nathan seven dot eu
21:30:54  <mmalecki>nathan7: actually, now I realized that I gave you wrong dates :). forwarding.
21:30:56  <nathan7>On a side note, I built the most crazy thing
21:31:04  <nathan7>http://sprunge.us/HIbZ?javascript
21:31:16  <mmalecki>nathan7.eu?
21:31:19  <nathan7>Yeah
21:31:27  <nathan7>It uses netfabb cloud to process STLs
21:31:52  <nathan7>They changed the system because I wrote a script to use it for STL processing (I feel really honoured)
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21:32:03  <mmalecki>nathan7: sent. I hope they don't have my cc numbers :)
21:32:04  <nathan7>so now they send links by email
21:32:16  <nathan7>mmalecki: So do I, because it'd be really frustrating
21:32:22  <nathan7>mmalecki: because the CVC wouldn't be in it
21:32:51  <mmalecki>I *think* you can still charge a card by its number somehow
21:33:40  <martin__>hi guys, I am having deployment issues since the morning, most likely related to cloudfiles again. I know you guys are planning to move, so this is just an FYI
21:34:16  <mmalecki>martin__: in fact, I have the crazy mad science file server spec'd out already.
21:34:21  <mmalecki>we should move really soon
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21:37:21  <martin__>mmalecki thx
21:38:11  <nathan7>Why is this message in Spam? It's written in a different language than your messages typically use. Learn more
21:38:14  <nathan7>>=[
21:38:27  <mmalecki>nathan7: SORRY
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21:38:36  <mmalecki>nathan7: I could try and get english one from them
21:38:46  <mmalecki>but I'm way too busy
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21:39:40  <nathan7>mmalecki: Yeah, the gmail spamfilter is silly
21:39:47  <nathan7>mmalecki: It offers translation though
21:40:01  <nathan7>mmalecki: I had my phone in Polish for a month
21:40:06  <nathan7>mmalecki: "I know some of these words."
21:40:10  <mmalecki>oh really? how'd that happen?
21:40:27  <nathan7>Bored me.
21:40:31  <nathan7>The rest of the time it was Russian.
21:40:49  <nathan7>Nobody knew how to use my phone, it was wonderful.
21:41:11  <mmalecki>:)
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21:41:23  <nathan7>And it was educational too
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22:41:03  <jmaxyz>I have an Express application that runs fine in development, but it's giving me 500s deployed on Nodejitsu. How do I get error logs of the stack trace or information about the failure?
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22:41:31  <jmaxyz>Locally, I see the error stack trace in STDOUT
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22:43:11  <jmaxyz>When I run `jitsu logs all` it tells me that there are no logs for my app in the specified timespan
22:43:35  <jmaxyz>What gets logged to that log?
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22:47:13  <mmalecki>jmaxyz: `jitsu logs`
22:49:08  <jmaxyz>mmalecki: Yes, but it tells me that there are no logs for the specified timespan: https://gist.github.com/b9859350faaa5985eb5a
22:49:35  <jmaxyz>Do I need to use a logging library to log things into it?
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22:50:13  <jmaxyz>I suppose I was expecting it to be whatever was dumped to STDOUT -- It would seem that that isn't the case?
22:50:25  <mmalecki>it should be there already - they are slow sometimes
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22:52:56  <jmaxyz>mmalecki: The app has been up since about 11AM EST. That's fine if it's slow. Can you confirm if the contents of the log are STDOUT from the hosted process?
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22:59:54  <nmanousos>is there a way to see the version of installed packages on the server?
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23:00:16  <nmanousos>i think that a package on the server might be a different version than what is on my localhost
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23:01:19  <blakmatrix>nmanousos: what are you trying to determine?
23:01:45  <nmanousos>if my localhost is running a different version of the request module than my server
23:01:54  <nmanousos>trying to narrow the possibilities for where a bug may be
23:02:28  <blakmatrix>nmanousos: there is no simple way of doing a 'npm ls', if you tell the sever the spcific version on your local then there will not be a difference
23:02:41  <nmanousos>ah ok
23:02:43  <nmanousos>cool, thx
23:02:45  <blakmatrix>minus compiled libraries as we run smart OS
23:02:49  <nmanousos>ah
23:02:59  <blakmatrix>but they will still be same versions
23:03:11  <nmanousos>i will keep looking into it, seeing different behavior on server vs. localhost, trying to figure out where the issue is
23:03:39  <nmanousos>ahhh
23:03:41  <nmanousos>found it
23:03:46  <blakmatrix>what was it
23:03:57  <blakmatrix>jmaxyz: what's up?
23:04:08  <blakmatrix>jmaxyz: logs are still lagging behind?
23:04:09  <nmanousos>in my package.json i was specifying this: "request": ">= 0.0.0",
23:04:14  <blakmatrix>LOL
23:04:21  <nmanousos>really bad idea
23:04:23  <blakmatrix>that might do it :)
23:04:37  <nmanousos>as soon as i did an npm update on my localhost, i started seeing the prod errors i wasnt seeing before
23:04:44  <nmanousos>doh!
23:04:47  <nmanousos>thx :)
23:04:55  <jmaxyz>blakmatrix: My current question is about what ends up in the logs when you run 'jitsu logs all' ?
23:05:03  <jmaxyz>Is it STDOUT?
23:05:19  <blakmatrix>STDOUT and SDTERR
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23:05:34  <blakmatrix>basically the same thing you'd see if you ran console.log()
23:06:23  <jmaxyz>Okay, thanks for confirming that. How does the loglevel setting change what gets logged?
23:07:05  <blakmatrix>jmaxyz: I'm not sure I follow
23:07:12  <blakmatrix>jmaxyz: loglevel of what?
23:07:51  <jmaxyz>blakmatrix: /nodejitsu/handbook#configuring-jitsu
23:08:03  <jmaxyz>* https://github.com/nodejitsu/handbook#configuring-jitsu
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23:10:35  <blakmatrix>jmaxyz: it doesnt, it affects only the jitsu tool
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23:10:48  <blakmatrix>not the logs registered by your app
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