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00:07:24  <jesusabdullah>I think so adollaroutof15c, try dumping the http headers your app receives on nodejitsu
00:07:36  <jesusabdullah>http://headers.jit.su/
00:07:49  <jesusabdullah>Yeah, "host"
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00:19:12  <adollaroutof15c>hmm cool thanks I will try it out
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00:42:32  <adollaroutof15c>That works, I can get the host. But my real issue is that I have 3 https node servers running in one app and I want nodejitsu to show the right one based on the matching domain. but it seems that nodejitsu just ports the domain to the first http server instance it finds.
00:43:16  <adollaroutof15c>is there any way to route one particular domain to one particular http node server?
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00:44:09  <jesusabdullah>adollaroutof15c: Each app gets one http listener.
00:44:19  <adollaroutof15c>oh
00:44:24  <jesusabdullah>adollaroutof15c: You'll havce to work within those constraints.
00:44:34  <adollaroutof15c>ok thanks
00:44:47  <adollaroutof15c>ill just route the proper content within one http listener based on the host
00:44:57  <jesusabdullah>adollaroutof15c: You can still show different information based on the hostname, it's just that all incoming connection will hit that one listener
00:45:01  <jesusabdullah>Yeah adollaroutof15c exactly
00:45:14  <adollaroutof15c>thanks man, very helpfull
00:45:20  <adollaroutof15c>i <3 nodejitsu
00:45:23  <coderarity>adollaroutof15c, might want to check out node-http-proxy for that
00:45:33  <coderarity>wait, i take that back
00:45:45  <coderarity>unless you want like 3 drones
00:45:54  <jesusabdullah>well
00:45:56  <jesusabdullah>3 apps anyway
00:46:12  <jesusabdullah>we can also balance across drones similarly to how cluster does it
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00:48:33  <adollaroutof15c>hmm is what I am doing even smart? sounds like it might be better for each "site" to be its own app for scalability… basically i want site1.myapp.com and site2.myapp.com to be served from the same nodejitsu app… i see how this is possible now via host checking but its starting to sound like a bad idea. is it better to have them under their own individual nodejitsu apps instead?
00:49:22  <adollaroutof15c>or does it not matter will 1 nodejitsu app scale just as well as having 2?
00:49:54  <jesusabdullah>I'd split it into multiple apps
00:49:59  <jesusabdullah>:)
00:50:05  <adollaroutof15c>ok
00:50:12  <jesusabdullah>the former approach is nice if you want a bunch of shit on one app
00:50:20  <jesusabdullah>if it's all ultra-low traffic
00:50:34  <jesusabdullah>or, like, for some reason each service looks different depending on host
00:50:41  <jesusabdullah>but share important internals
00:50:43  <jesusabdullah>u noe
00:50:47  <adollaroutof15c>yeah
00:52:03  <Nexxy>jesusabdullah,
00:55:09  <adollaroutof15c>ok so I think something like a one page web app + api can live in one app, since the api is really what will get hammered, the client would just be flat files so that makes sense to have both under one app routed to diff content based on the domain like api.whatever.com and app.whatever.com but anything beyond that where the content of each subdomain is really unrelated to the other those should get their own nodejitsu
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01:09:18  <jesusabdullah>Nexxy,
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01:56:55  <nlognbob>Shared drones are in joyent us-sw-1, right? I need to move my database closer to my drones
01:59:34  <nlognbob>that can't be right; traceroutes from San Francisco are going through washington-dc.us.xo.net
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02:16:22  <nlognbob>drones appear to be at Northern Virginia, US-East-1, 2ms away from aws-us-east-1
02:16:40  <nlognbob>drones appear to be at Northern Virginia, joyent-US-East-1, 2ms away from aws-us-east-1
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02:37:50  <coderarity>nlognbob, is that zombie drone still up?
02:38:11  <nlognbob>hold on...
02:38:46  <nlognbob>yes, it checked in 2 minutes ago
02:39:02  <coderarity>okay
02:39:48  <nlognbob>say, drones are in joyent us-east-1. Is that where shared drones are going to stay? I need to move my database close to the drones.
02:41:34  <coderarity>afaik we don't have any plans to move them
02:41:46  <coderarity>some day you'll be able to choose everything very specifically though
02:42:03  <nlognbob>ok. thanks.
02:42:12  <nlognbob>need any info on the zombie drone?
02:42:59  <coderarity>not afaik, but I bet an IP address would help if you have it
02:43:06  <coderarity>brb
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02:46:50  <taterbase>Hey guys
02:46:59  <taterbase>When I do an http.getRequest
02:47:02  <taterbase>I get an error
02:47:02  <taterbase>EADDRNOTAVAIL
02:48:25  <taterbase>Oops
02:48:29  <taterbase>I meant http.get
02:48:47  <taterbase>Are there any gotchas I should be aware of?
02:50:41  <coderarity>what's the address you're using?
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02:52:50  <taterbase>http://google.com
02:53:03  <taterbase>I started using that to test the problem
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02:58:01  <kwerty_>http://checkersaur.us/game#339Y5pLp9c
02:58:10  <kwerty_>my nodejitsu app
02:58:50  <kwerty_>someone joined and left lol ;]
03:02:02  <SubStack>that's pretty sweet!
03:04:20  <nlognbob>its on 9fb8e8eb-8243-4706-91d7-a1d30d913a72.local
03:04:30  <nlognbob>zombie drone is on 9fb8e8eb-8243-4706-91d7-a1d30d913a72.local
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03:09:36  <kwerty_>thanks for playing
03:09:39  <taterbase>np
03:09:40  <kwerty_>obviously i have some work to do
03:09:41  <jesusabdullah>I did not play
03:09:43  <kwerty_>;p
03:09:43  <jesusabdullah>I just harassed
03:09:49  <taterbase>twas fun
03:09:50  <taterbase>sooooo
03:09:53  <taterbase>http.get
03:09:55  <jesusabdullah>I was "anonymous"
03:09:56  <kwerty_>the ability to observe games is something i worked hard on
03:09:57  <taterbase>eaddrnotavail
03:10:00  <kwerty_>so thanks for testing that :P
03:10:19  <jesusabdullah>no advice here taterbase, except that you'll want to figure out exactly what that error means
03:10:28  <jesusabdullah>it sounds like dns promblems from here
03:10:34  <taterbase>Hmmm
03:10:45  <taterbase>Well it works fine locally
03:10:55  <taterbase>but I am not a very smart man when it comes to these things
03:10:56  <jesusabdullah>is it relying on something in /etc/hosts?
03:10:59  <taterbase>nope
03:11:11  <jesusabdullah>I've done that more than once XD
03:11:21  <taterbase>That would be frustrating
03:11:30  <taterbase>This just pings "http://google.com
03:11:44  <taterbase>http.get("http://google.com", function(res){etc...});
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03:15:19  <kwerty_>isnt eaddrnotavail something you get when you try to open a port which is already open
03:18:34  <taterbase>kwerty_ not sure!
03:18:36  <taterbase>I will look!
03:18:39  <taterbase>Thank you for the tip
03:19:13  <kwerty_>http.get is giving you eaddrnotavail?
03:19:18  <taterbase>kwerty_ yes
03:19:27  <taterbase>I am now trying http.request isntead and that is workoing
03:19:28  <kwerty_>only on nodejitsu ?
03:19:29  <taterbase>*working
03:19:30  <taterbase>sorry
03:19:33  <taterbase>been drinking
03:20:07  <taterbase>I tried it on local and nodejitsu
03:20:17  <taterbase>local worked, jit.su did not
03:21:27  <kwerty_>according to node docs
03:21:34  <kwerty_>http.request and http.get are essentially the same
03:21:50  <kwerty_>except that get automaticallly sets request to type GET and automatically calls req.end
03:22:07  <kwerty_>so i cant see how one would work but not the other
03:22:25  <kwerty_>yesterday i was trying to fix a bug in my code and realised i'd written a q instead of a g
03:22:27  <kwerty_>boy was that dumb
03:23:06  <taterbase>been there
03:23:12  <taterbase>Yeah I figured as much
03:23:19  <taterbase>I'm not sure where the error is occuring yet
03:23:29  <taterbase>All I know is http.request works and .get does not right now
03:25:14  <kwerty_>nodejitsu log should show u which line is causing the error
03:25:29  <jesusabdullah>taterbase: one suggestion is to make sure it's not a difference between node versions. We're running 0.6, a lot of people have 0.88 installed
03:25:30  <kwerty_>or when you call jitsu deploy it'll show the line causing the error
03:25:41  <taterbase>jesusabdullah I was actually thinking that
03:25:45  <taterbase>I have .8 installed
03:25:46  <jesusabdullah>kwerty_: if it throws a full error it should show the full error right?
03:26:03  <jesusabdullah>taterbase: so take a look at the 0.6.x docs and see if anything stands out
03:26:09  <taterbase>will do
03:26:10  <jesusabdullah>that would confirm it
03:26:11  <kwerty_>i'm not entirely sure, i only started using nodejitsu yesterday
03:26:16  <kwerty_>and im not at my box to confirm it
03:26:27  <kwerty_>jesus are you one of the jitsu developers?
03:26:39  <jesusabdullah>kwerty_: It should. The more cryptic errors are usually happing at a more "meta" level
03:26:43  <jesusabdullah>kwerty_: Yes indeedy
03:27:08  <kwerty_>its pretty cool having a free beta account, it all works flawlessly
03:27:11  <taterbase>woot!!!
03:27:12  <jesusabdullah>Like, the script throws no error but never spawns up an http server
03:27:14  <kwerty_>very impressed
03:27:15  <jesusabdullah>for example
03:27:17  <taterbase>Old http.get expected options!
03:27:19  <jesusabdullah>kwerty_: Word, glad you like it
03:27:24  <taterbase>Not just a url
03:27:30  <kwerty_>there u go
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03:27:33  <kwerty_>;p
03:27:47  <taterbase>Out of curiosity who here uses android?
03:27:57  <kwerty_>i have an android phone
03:28:04  <kwerty_>not that im particularly proud of it, it's a piece of shit
03:28:05  <taterbase>ICS?
03:28:06  <adollaroutof15c>I am about to switch from iPhone
03:28:08  <taterbase>oh
03:28:10  <kwerty_>nope not ics
03:28:26  <taterbase>I've got an app I'm releasing very soon
03:28:36  <taterbase>It's basiclly NPM in your pocket
03:28:48  <kwerty_>why would u want NPM on your phone exactly?
03:28:50  <taterbase>Only for ICS and up so far
03:29:00  <taterbase>One day I did
03:29:10  <taterbase>Just walking and wondering if "There's a module for that"
03:29:23  <kwerty_>wahts wrong with the npm website ?
03:29:33  <kwerty_>http://search.npmjs.org/
03:29:44  <taterbase>Have you tried it on your phone?
03:29:55  <kwerty_>nope
03:29:59  <kwerty_>is it shit?
03:30:01  <taterbase>Yeah
03:30:04  <taterbase>Not very fun
03:30:20  <taterbase>No knock on izs though
03:30:26  <taterbase>It's just a couchapp though
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03:30:42  <taterbase>The redesign is looking nice and may be responsive which would be nice
03:31:25  <DTrejo>npm search taterbase
03:31:25  <npmbro>DTrejo: Please see http://eirikb.github.com/nipster/#taterbase
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03:31:43  <DTrejo>cool library
03:31:46  <DTrejo>i needed that recently
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03:31:53  <taterbase>fancy-timestamp?
03:32:08  <DTrejo>ye
03:32:18  <taterbase>Yeah same here
03:32:24  <taterbase>Found I kept righting it over and over again
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04:07:30  <taterbase>FYI ended up having to revert to http.request and using options. http.get was having issues with websites that aren't prefixed with www jesusabdullah
04:07:44  <taterbase>But it's working now :D
04:07:46  <taterbase>Thanks a mil
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07:18:12  <yawnt>yoyo
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08:08:20  <cjm>anyone know why this jitsu install keeps failing? https://gist.github.com/cb0c35820a2274528020
08:09:06  <jesusabdullah>cjm: try nuking your npm cache
08:09:13  <cjm>ok
08:09:30  <jesusabdullah>npm cache clean is a good start, rm -rf ~/.npm is a final solution
08:09:30  <npmbro>jesusabdullah: Please see npm's documentation at https://duckduckgo.com/?q=site%3Ahttp%3A%2F%2Fnpmjs.org%2Fdoc%2F%20cache%20clean%20is%20a%20good%20start
08:10:01  <jesusabdullah>npmbro: oh, okay.
08:10:01  <npmbro>Powered by http://jit.su/ Available commands: npm search | npm docs | npm help | npm node | npm credits | npm install
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08:16:09  <cjm>@jesusabdullah hrrm, tried both, still hitting the same error
08:20:43  <cjm>@jesusabdullah nevermind, just ran clean again to be sure and it looks like it worked now, thanks for the help
08:23:37  <jesusabdullah>cjm: sure thang! :)
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09:18:05  <yawnt>jesusabdullah: ya there?
09:19:46  <jesusabdullah>kinda, what's up?
09:24:51  <yawnt>jesusabdullah: you gonna code that template stuff?
09:24:54  <yawnt>looks kinda interesting
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09:27:39  <hotch>hey guys, having deployment issues. zero code change except client-side but (grr)
09:28:58  <mmalecki>hotch: try again
09:30:39  <mmalecki>okay, that one is our fault
09:30:46  <hotch>mmalecki: https://gist.github.com/3121796
09:31:00  <mmalecki>fixing it, but you should probably try again - that server got pulled out of the pool
09:31:03  <hotch>last night i went to bed and slept on it but now I'm growling :P
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09:32:46  <mmalecki>looks like this start worked tho
09:33:03  <mmalecki>also, always try again - bad servers are pulled out of the pool
09:35:02  <hotch>yeah
09:35:28  <hotch> Creating snapshot 0.0.1-45 (about 3 code changes). Always trying again :P
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09:37:26  <mmalecki>in that case `jitsu apps start` is enough
09:39:04  <yawnt>yo mmalecki :D
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09:39:52  <mmalecki>hey yawnt, what's good?
09:40:24  <yawnt>mmalecki: friend of mine from UK arrived
09:40:49  <yawnt>driving him around to show italy, he's showering now so i thought of checking emails and stuff
09:41:39  <mmalecki>yawnt: sweet!
09:41:51  <jesusabdullah>yawnt: you mean https://gist.github.com/3119292#file_pen.js ? That's the implementation
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09:42:14  <mmalecki>make sure to feed him pizza and stuff
09:42:20  <yawnt>mmalecki: we had pizza yesterday
09:42:38  <hotch>mmalecki: hah pizza
09:42:40  <yawnt>jesusabdullah: oh really? that's all?
09:42:42  <yawnt>cool :D
09:44:39  <yawnt>hotch: pizza is good .
09:44:43  <yawnt>:>
09:45:08  <hotch>pizza isssss good.
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10:32:52  <yawnt>does the couchdb database require configuration?
10:33:02  <yawnt>the one you create with jitsu i mean
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10:41:08  <yawnt>i can't start my app on nodejitsu, has anyone encountered the same problem?
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11:18:28  <hotch>same, i gave up after 18 hours of trying. ugh.
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11:19:52  <yawnt>strange fact is that jitsu tells it's working
11:20:07  <yawnt>while the web panel shows it's stopped
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11:29:55  <nlognbob>HELP! I brought down my app for some DB work and now it won't start.
11:30:12  <yawnt>yeah it happened to me too
11:30:26  <yawnt>we are waiting for someone of the team to get online
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11:34:34  <nlognbob>any admins here?
11:34:54  <nlognbob>hey yawnt, you were here earlier today....
11:35:01  <nlognbob>you up 24/7?
11:35:34  <nlognbob>geez, even apps destroy does not fix it, and that is kinda dangerous cause I could lose the subdomain which my dns points to
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11:38:11  <yawnt>coderarity: help :<
11:38:24  <coderarity>yawnt, sup?
11:39:08  <yawnt>coderarity: can't deploy
11:39:24  <coderarity>yawnt, got a gist of the output?
11:41:02  <yawnt>coderarity: output is okay
11:41:12  <yawnt>but web app shows app as 'stopped'
11:41:19  <yawnt>and it seems i'm not the only one
11:41:32  <yawnt>nlognbob: and hotch seem to experience the same issue
11:42:03  <nlognbob>drone does not start. stays stopped
11:42:07  <yawnt>^
11:42:46  <yawnt>brb
11:42:49  <nlognbob>jitsu apps start nlogn2 , says 'ok', no error messages
11:42:52  <yawnt>afk 10 mins
11:43:05  <yawnt>nlognbob: yeah same problem :(
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11:43:33  <nlognbob>https://gist.github.com/3122253
11:43:35  <coderarity>weird
11:43:37  <yawnt>woops wrong time.. i leave in 10 mins
11:43:51  <yawnt>coderarity: thought the same..
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11:44:00  <yawnt>code runs locally so it can't be a code problema
11:44:02  <yawnt>*problem
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11:44:40  <nlognbob>I started nlogn and it worked, nlogn2 and nlognbob failed.
11:44:50  <coderarity>yawnt, nlognbob, hotch, can I get app names/
11:44:53  <coderarity>?*
11:45:10  <nlognbob>FAIL: nlogn2, nlognbob
11:45:21  <coderarity>yes
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11:45:29  <coderarity>i didn't feel like changing my message after I typed it lol
11:45:42  <nlognbob>np
11:46:06  <coderarity>nlognbob, that zombie is gone now, right?
11:46:13  <nlognbob>i'll check
11:46:31  <yawnt>coderarity: yawn, owl
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11:48:00  <nlognbob>yes, thanks. time of death: about 2:23 US Pacific Time
11:48:11  <coderarity>awesome
11:48:16  <nlognbob>thank you
11:48:17  <coderarity>can you guys try `jitsu apps start`?
11:48:17  <yawnt>not really lol :P
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11:48:34  <yawnt>coderarity: doesnt change anything
11:48:36  <nlognbob>nope
11:48:38  <yawnt>brb afk 10 mins
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11:48:42  <coderarity>also, just to check, this runs locally, right?
11:48:43  <nlognbob>not working on nlognbob
11:48:48  <yawnt`afk>coderarity: yes
11:49:17  <nlognbob>not working on nlogn2
11:50:36  <nlognbob>redeploy of nlognbob did not start it either
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11:50:48  <coderarity>okay
11:51:14  <coderarity>i'll have to get someone to look at it
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11:56:24  <nlognbob>jitsu apps start nlogn2 has hung for several minutes, if that is of any help
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12:03:16  <nlognbob>Ummmm, nlogn2 appears to be down, except it has been reporting in to my dashboard every two minutes. so it is really up, just not responding to http requests and 'jitsu list' is wrong
12:04:21  <yawnt`afk>back
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12:04:48  <nlognbob>It says it's memory use is 166MB and has served 0 http requests
12:05:16  <nlognbob>maybe the load balancer just doesn't know about it????
12:06:40  <yawnt>i think it's a load balancer issue too
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12:12:17  <nlognbob>load balancer has tipped over
12:12:25  <nlognbob>not so great balance
12:13:29  <nlognbob>so many unaccounted for drones...I'm half considering having them fetch a record from the database and check to see if their suicide was requested.....but that won't work if NJ restarts them...
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13:05:43  <nlognbob>Anybody here to fix a drone problem?
13:07:00  <yawnt>they're mainly from the US
13:07:05  <yawnt>i guess they're sleeping
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13:13:39  <nlognbob>ya
13:13:57  <nlognbob>one of mine has started. very odd
13:14:05  <nlognbob>I keep trying
13:14:33  <nlognbob>for when they coming...admins: nlogn2 won't start...
13:14:56  <nlognbob>for when they come in ..... admins: nlogn2 won't start
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13:40:39  <thepumpkin>any known issue in the platforms? all my apps are down.
13:41:10  <thepumpkin>jitsu seems to be deploying more than fast... like there is no actual deploy going behind hehe
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14:33:51  <spolu>Hi guys, I just wanted to share a project we just made public: http://dattss.com it's a cloud-based replacement for statsd. Kind of useful in a PaaS environment such as nodejitsu! It's free at the moment and I hope it can be helpful to some of you!
14:34:25  <spolu>and sorry for the unsolicited link dropping :)
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14:38:45  <booyaa>anyone else got a own hosted domain nodejitsu app?
14:39:01  <booyaa>spolu: i think websense may have classified your website as malicious
14:39:13  <booyaa>wondering if it was used for bad things by previous owners?
14:39:19  <spolu>booyaa: really?
14:39:37  <booyaa>This Websense category is filtered: Potentially Damaging Content. Sites in this category may pose a security threat to network resources or private information, and are blocked by your organization.
14:39:48  * booyaagoes to check some official jitsu sites too
14:40:14  <booyaa>not sure what the ssytem is to get your site cleared by websense, but if you're offering this as a saas might want to sort it out
14:40:21  <spolu>booyaa: hmmm… where can I see that to try amend their info?
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14:40:29  <spolu>booyaa: YEP! :)
14:40:38  * booyaanormally get a "bypass" button, but not in this case.
14:41:02  <booyaa>well ithis is proxy sending the "error/block" page.
14:41:12  <booyaa>i suspect you may need to contact a websense rep to sort it
14:42:49  * booyaahates websense, it's a pain. bloody stupid technology that can kill a website because you happen to host your assets on wordpress.com
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14:44:44  <spolu>booyaa: I'll go check that asap. How are you protected by web sense? How do you get their feedack?
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14:53:32  <booyaa>spolu: i think it looks like this [browser] -> [ISA (windows) proxy] -> [websense appliance] -> [squid]
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14:53:41  <booyaa>so i get the feed back in the browser (does that make sense?)
14:53:47  <spolu>booyaa: that's what I figured looks like a proxy
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14:53:51  <booyaa>yeah
14:53:58  <spolu>booyaa: contacted them. Thanks for noticing!
14:54:14  <booyaa>no probs man, i hate websense so if i can warn people no probs
14:54:21  <spolu>booyaa: :)
14:54:25  <john>I've got a question about user accounts associated with a project
14:54:56  <john>how do other people deploy to a project I created?
14:56:20  <booyaa>john: i don't know if they've got team/collab features yet. you might have to setup a git hook on your CI server to jitsu deploy on a passing test
14:57:08  <john>yeah, we're not there yet. but they can just my account for now I guess
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15:14:28  <yawnt`afk>yo
15:14:29  <yawnt`afk>news?
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15:58:28  <lpin>AvianFlu node-gyp use ia32 architecture
15:58:32  <lpin>look
15:58:34  <lpin>error: gyp info using node@0.6.19 | sunos | ia32
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15:59:54  <lpin>i tried adding this 'variables': {'target_arch': 'x64'} in binding.gyp but doesn't work
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16:06:55  <AvianFlu>lpin, thank you, that will need recompiling
16:07:01  <AvianFlu>I'll roll it out today
16:07:17  <lpin>thanks
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16:14:07  <yawnt>AvianFlu: any news about the deploy issue?
16:16:26  <AvianFlu>yawnt, I'm not aware which issue you were having
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16:18:29  <yawnt>AvianFlu: basically me and a couple of others couldn't deploy new apps
16:18:39  <yawnt>cause even though jitsu was working regularly
16:18:43  <yawnt>they weren't actually started
16:18:53  <yawnt>but it looks fixed now.. i tried a jitsu apps start
16:19:03  <aroman>getting An error has occurred: {"code":"ECONNREFUSED","errno":"ECONNREFUSED","syscall":"connect"}
16:19:21  <aroman>though not immediately after deploy -- only happened on the third pageview
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16:19:30  <AvianFlu>aroman, app name?
16:19:39  <aroman>veritas
16:23:42  <lpin>yawnt i had that before aswell
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16:24:02  <lpin>jitsu answer was so fast that i doubt anything was actually deployed
16:24:09  <yawnt>indeed
16:24:14  <yawnt>but it looks fixed now
16:24:18  <lpin>yep
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16:24:23  <yawnt>i mean.. jitsu apps start <name> worked as expected
16:24:44  <lpin>yeah works as intended now
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16:45:42  <coderarity>yawnt, hey
16:46:50  <yawnt>coderarity: http://d24w6bsrhbeh9d.cloudfront.net/photo/4778301_460s.jpg
16:46:51  <yawnt>NOW WHAT?
16:47:05  <coderarity>i would wear that
16:47:14  <yawnt>:|
16:47:35  <yawnt>or even better http://myfacewhen.com/images/10.jpg
16:48:45  <yawnt>coderarity: btw it looks like everything went back to normal
16:48:56  <yawnt>nodejitsu and my app lived happily ever after
16:50:41  <coderarity>indeed
16:51:23  <yawnt>also sup
16:51:51  <coderarity>yawnt, one of those days where i'm really tired :\
16:52:06  <yawnt>:(
16:52:07  <yawnt>coffee?
16:52:26  <coderarity>yeah, i should go do that, and breakfast
16:52:34  <coderarity>even though it's 1 PM here lol
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16:54:11  <yawnt>lol
16:54:15  <yawnt>i'm about to have supper
16:54:22  <yawnt>and you talk me bout breakfast
16:54:39  <coderarity>lol
16:54:44  <yawnt>gotta love time zones
16:55:11  <yawnt>also i'm sufferin' ... i wanted to serve backbonejs on S3
16:55:17  <yawnt>but how can i make that content crawlable?
16:56:06  <tralamaz>crawlable ?
16:56:19  <yawnt>yeah
16:56:22  <yawnt>like Google and stuff
16:56:33  <coderarity>why does it need to be crawlable?
16:57:03  <yawnt>cause it's a web app
16:57:14  <yawnt>i mean.. can you imagine twitter if it wasnt crawlable?
16:58:22  <yawnt>wasn't
16:58:28  <yawnt>i should start using apostrophes lol
16:58:31  <tralamaz>you want to serve a webapp directly from S3 ?
16:58:36  <yawnt>yep
16:58:47  <yawnt>it has a dynamic backend of course
16:58:51  <tralamaz>o.0
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16:59:00  <yawnt>O.o
16:59:01  <tralamaz>S3 can server static content
16:59:04  <tralamaz>serve*
16:59:05  <yawnt>exactly
16:59:13  <yawnt>i serve my static frontend with S3
16:59:17  <blakmatrix>"Content in Amazon S3 gets indexed the same way anything else on the Internet gets indexed"
16:59:19  <yawnt>and my dynamic backend runs on nodejitu
16:59:21  <yawnt>*nodejitsu
16:59:39  <tralamaz>well, anything set public gets indexed I would imagine
16:59:43  <Taneem>yep
16:59:48  <Taneem>it should get picked up the same way by google as anything else
16:59:48  <tralamaz>or just make a few links, all that SEO crap
16:59:51  <yawnt>blakmatrix: exactly.. and frontend means backbonejs, which means no crawling
16:59:53  <yawnt>:'(
17:00:22  <yawnt>i need to find a way to redirect like '_escaped_fragment_ requests' to the backend
17:00:28  <yawnt>but i'm afraid you can't do that with Cloudfront
17:00:31  <blakmatrix>you can use a <noscript> tag for your search engine woes
17:00:57  <tralamaz>cloudfront has a few quircks
17:01:01  <yawnt>how would that help? those pages on S3 are static.. they don't get generated by any script
17:01:02  <ljharb>yawnt: don't use hashbangs.
17:01:04  <ljharb>use pushstate.
17:01:08  <ljharb>and fall back to normal pageloads.
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17:01:39  <yawnt>ljharb: yeah i know, but pushstate doesn't change the fact that i need to have the "server-side" version of those urls
17:01:53  <tralamaz>S3 has one big flaw (for us here at least), S3 origins do not support cors
17:01:55  <yawnt>so the advantages of a static frontend become pretty useless
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17:02:06  <ljharb>there's no client-side version of the URL at all with pushstate, since you'd always be pushing a valid serverside URL
17:02:36  <yawnt>but my server wouldn't be a server.. it'd be S3 :(
17:02:42  <ljharb>so?
17:02:45  <ljharb>it still has URLs
17:02:46  <yawnt>or maybe i'm not understanding what you're saying..
17:02:47  <Taneem>what do you mean by static frontend ... aren't you just keeping static assets on S3
17:02:59  <yawnt>ljharb: yeah but google can't run all backbone's js
17:03:02  <ljharb>yawnt: i'm saying the browser should NEVER be pointing to a URL that doesn't exist
17:03:17  <ljharb>yawnt: right. thats the sacrifice you chose by using a client-side-rendered solution
17:03:19  <yawnt>ljharb: of course i'd be using pushState, that's not the problem. the problem is Google
17:03:29  <ljharb>yawnt: the problem is backbone not working at all without javascript.
17:03:35  <yawnt>exactly
17:03:40  <ljharb>so, don't use backbone.
17:03:44  <yawnt>but google can understand some js
17:03:51  <yawnt>ljharb: what should i use?
17:03:58  <ljharb>an actual web server?
17:04:15  <ljharb>even with static content you shouldn't be serving off S3 anyways. it's not built for that.
17:04:16  <yawnt>but i liked the idea of having a core api
17:04:32  <ljharb>you can still do that. but your site should work without javascript.
17:05:47  <yawnt>yeah it should but as a matter of fact if your browser doesn't support js, you got a problem
17:06:04  <ljharb>of course, but that's got nothing to do with properly using progressive enhancement
17:06:38  <ljharb>and plenty of blackberries and disabled people's readers don't support JS
17:06:48  <ljharb>also search engines
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17:06:54  <yawnt>right
17:07:08  <yawnt>so the question is.. do i really wanna trade seo for static content?
17:07:19  <ljharb>exactly
17:07:27  <yawnt>having everything static would ease the server load quite a bit
17:07:32  <ljharb>my vote would be absolutely not, and to build your site properly so it works with zero javascript
17:07:44  <yawnt>i mean.. i wouldn't need a middle-end between the apis and the frontend
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17:08:08  <yawnt>but, as you correctly point out, that messes up with progressive enhancement and seo
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17:08:11  <yawnt>wat do
17:08:18  <ljharb>also serverside rendering is far faster in most cases.
17:08:19  <yawnt>any other ideas guys? coderarity tralamaz
17:08:36  <yawnt>yeah but it wouldn't be a matter of speed.. it would be a matter of keeping costs low
17:08:39  <ljharb>see http://engineering.twitter.com/2012/05/improving-performance-on-twittercom.html
17:08:56  <ljharb>guaranteed, your biggest cost isn't going to be your "middle server"
17:08:56  <DTrejo>ljharb: i feel like that is mostly for mobile or sth
17:09:05  <ljharb>DTrejo: that link is for desktop
17:09:30  <tralamaz>yawnt: I would use S3 to serve pure static stuff like Jekyll etc, anything dynamic should be served by a proper server
17:09:31  <ljharb>twitter is insanely faster on the serverside version than on the clientside version, no matter what kind of computer youre using. it just matters more if youre using IE.
17:10:13  <blakmatrix>https://wiki.mozilla.org/Firefox_3.6/PushState_Security_Review <--- pure client side breaks the HTTP contract, pushState was not intended to be used without some rough form of a server, that would actually serve the content directly that you can access via the dianamic site
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17:11:44  <tralamaz>funnily enough I was just testing flatiron's director 5 min ago
17:12:28  <yawnt>so i should have an app that consumes my APIs
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17:12:46  <yawnt>with an (optional) backbone.js frontend?
17:12:51  <yawnt>is that what you're saying
17:12:51  <yawnt>?
17:14:31  <yawnt>ljharb: ^
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17:15:37  <ljharb>yawnt: that sounds better
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17:16:07  <yawnt>sounds good
17:16:11  <yawnt>thanks for the brain storming :)
17:16:18  <ljharb>just make sure that any URL backbone pushes into the browser can also be served by your regular app. and also, that backbone can set up itself from whatever the server sends down,
17:16:47  <yawnt>i've heard a guy who's publishing in a few days a module that does that
17:16:56  <yawnt>but okay
17:17:00  <yawnt>thank you :D
17:17:13  <yawnt>i've never had to deal with architecture problems so it's all kinda new
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17:18:10  <tralamaz>anyone going to lxjs ?
17:18:38  <yawnt>ò/
17:19:09  <tralamaz>great
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17:21:47  <tralamaz>yawnt: btw cloudfront is nice
17:21:53  <yawnt>so that stays
17:22:03  <yawnt>cloudfront + middle-end + backend
17:22:08  <yawnt>sounds cool
17:22:13  <tralamaz>any https ?
17:22:24  <yawnt>basically everywhere
17:22:26  <tralamaz>oh
17:22:29  <tralamaz>ok forget cloudfront
17:22:44  <tralamaz>well forget nice CNAME at least
17:22:44  <yawnt>no hhtp?
17:22:49  <yawnt>*https
17:22:57  <tralamaz>no, it works, but you can't use your cname
17:23:04  <tralamaz>there is no way to upload a cert
17:23:32  <yawnt>uhm how bout cloudflare?
17:23:36  <tralamaz>dunno
17:23:43  <yawnt>i read it's even better than cloudfront
17:24:00  <tralamaz>I am married to AWS
17:24:11  <yawnt>i see
17:24:56  <tralamaz>but it is faster than serving from S3, quite faster actually
17:25:04  <yawnt>uh yay
17:25:08  <ljharb>even amazon recommends not serving from s3
17:25:13  <yawnt>ssl certs starting from $20/month
17:25:22  <ljharb>s3 is a remote hard drive for your real server to talk to
17:25:42  <yawnt>yep i know
17:26:10  <tralamaz>plus if you serve from S3 directly you must make sure you set the metadata (http headers) accordingly
17:26:20  <tralamaz>I forgot it once... once
17:26:32  <yawnt>lol
17:26:42  <yawnt>you don't speak pretty well of AWS
17:27:01  <tralamaz>no no, it was my fault
17:27:14  <ljharb>AWS is great. it's not meant to be used for serving content directly.
17:27:21  <tralamaz>just dont serve from S3
17:28:05  <tralamaz>OK the cors thing really annoys me, but apart from that can't really complain much
17:31:45  <aroman>yawnt: sorry, I went out for lunch. any news on the downtime situation?
17:32:01  <aroman>it seems like it's a load balancer issue since 1 out of every 3 requests seems to go through
17:32:58  <yawnt>aroman: it was fixed
17:33:10  <aroman>yawnt: sweet, thanks!
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17:42:17  <AvianFlu>aroman, your problem is still there
17:42:39  <AvianFlu>I managed to reduce the frequency somewhat - still looking into it
17:42:46  <aroman>AvianFlu: oh? I was just using my site for the last few minutes and it seemed fine.
17:42:47  <aroman>ah
17:42:50  <aroman>any idea what it is?
17:43:15  <AvianFlu>aroman, there used to be a few things causing it, and we fixed them; now, it's happening to a much smaller subset of users
17:43:22  <AvianFlu>so� no. not yet.
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17:43:37  <AvianFlu>but the list of possibilities grows ever shorter.
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17:45:11  <aroman>i see. well if i can help in any way please let me know
17:45:46  <aroman>i was actually planning on 'launching' today but i didn't have a set time Guess now I've got time to do last-minute bug squashing :)
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17:55:03  <AvianFlu>aroman, I'm dtracing all the load balancers to track it down, I'll get this fixed for you
17:55:21  <aroman>AvianFlu: very much appreciated :)
17:56:19  <coderarity>man i hate people knowing i know stuff about computers, now everyone wants me to fix everything :\
18:01:25  <blakmatrix>coderarity: I get out of it by fixing it, and also taking the liberty of installing software they should be using anyways... if they don't like chrome or firefox and other tools they usually don't ask me again unless its really foobar
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18:02:41  <coderarity>blakmatrix, but like, first i fix some easy thing on someone's laptop, and then her friend's laptop is broken too, and then their brother's nephew can't install antivirus, and then his son downloaded 12 GB of porn and now his desktop is on fire
18:03:51  <blakmatrix>you could always "charge" or ask for something in return
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18:05:48  <blakmatrix>tell them how much effort is involved how much it might cost at a repair shop etc, I usually just say if it's too much hassle that i could take it off thier hands, and then i just wipe it, maybe offer a price thats not too bad , wipe it then resell it
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18:06:02  <blakmatrix>I'm not trying to make it sound like i cheat them ore anything haha
18:06:17  <AvianFlu>aroman, are you, by chance, using google chrome when you see the ECONNREFUSED?
18:06:21  <blakmatrix>but it is time consuming
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18:06:45  <coderarity>blakmatrix, well i mean, i get some money, but i still don't want to do it :D
18:07:05  <coderarity>also they know me as my mom's son :\
18:07:12  <coderarity>so my mom kinda obligates me to do stuff
18:07:26  <aroman>AvianFlu: I saw it on both Chrome and Safari 6.
18:07:35  <aroman>can't seem to reproduce it now
18:07:43  <blakmatrix>start fixing one of those porn filled computers in her presence :P
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18:08:28  <sberryman>HAHAHA little light humor for everyone: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=32DD4DF7Qpo
18:08:51  <yawnt>coderarity: i totally understand you
18:08:54  <yawnt>:(
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18:09:13  <yawnt>i've fixed my aunt's laptop, formatted my other aunt's laptop, configured my dad's new computer
18:09:21  <coderarity>they were paying some other guy like 1k to fix their stuff, lol
18:09:22  <yawnt>and etc etc etc
18:09:23  <yawnt>:(
18:09:28  <yawnt>i got 20€
18:09:34  <coderarity>yawnt, oh man, it's not even just in my family anymore
18:09:35  <yawnt>which is 30 $ like
18:09:43  <yawnt>coderarity: sucks..
18:09:45  <yawnt>btw supper
18:09:46  <yawnt>l8r
18:09:49  <coderarity>c ya
18:11:23  <aroman>sberryman: that's hilarious
18:11:26  <blakmatrix>coderarity: ever seen pawn stars ?
18:11:52  <coderarity>like once
18:14:25  <aroman>coderarity: then you've seen basically every episode ;)
18:15:35  <coderarity>sberryman, i'm gonna buy one of those just to unbox it
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18:20:20  <sberryman>how amazing is that? owenb found the video but my god, could you make it any harder to open?
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18:22:30  <yawnt>pawn stars is super cool!
18:22:47  <yawnt>i mean i love history, so that's fascinating
18:23:26  <sberryman>seems like h2 has all the good shows now
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19:04:06  <jhsto>hey guys
19:04:29  <jhsto>any idea why i keep getting error code 1 whenever i try to deploy my app
19:04:38  <jhsto>it used to work right, but now nothing does
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19:11:42  <aroman>AvianFlu: any idea?
19:12:19  <AvianFlu>jhsto, can you gist your output?
19:12:30  <AvianFlu>it's definitely saying more than just "Error code 1"
19:12:31  <jhsto>sure
19:12:32  <jhsto>second
19:13:34  <jesusabdullah>yes, gist, definitely gist
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19:14:31  <jhsto>https://gist.github.com/3124452
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19:16:59  <jesusabdullah>I see a few things jhsto
19:17:19  <jesusabdullah>I know how to fix at least one of them, one sec
19:17:20  <jhsto>all problems are at my end, i suppose
19:17:43  <jesusabdullah>jhsto: naw
19:17:48  <jesusabdullah>jhsto: Add this to your package.json:
19:17:50  <jesusabdullah> "env": { "PYTHON": "/opt/local/bin/python2.7" }
19:18:06  <jesusabdullah>jhsto: some of the boxes are getting confused about where python lives on their system, this will help
19:18:19  <jhsto>cool
19:18:22  <jhsto>ill give it a try
19:18:26  <jesusabdullah>jhsto: it looked like there may be some npm cache corruption on that particular box too, hard to tell.
19:18:32  <jesusabdullah>Yeah, try again, see how much further you get ;)
19:18:46  <AvianFlu>that's just the python error combined with the wonders of async output
19:18:56  <AvianFlu>unless there are other compile failures, it should work fine from here
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19:19:25  <jhsto>imo nodejitsu has been really easy to use
19:20:09  <jhsto>expect the time when my domain got hassled and suddenly i had someone's else project displaying on my domain
19:20:59  <jhsto>Cool! It worked.
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19:21:14  <jhsto>it gives me OK info
19:21:29  <jhsto>and yea, it works online too
19:21:42  <jhsto>thank you guys, i hope i had came here earlier
19:21:46  <jesusabdullah>Cool
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19:21:48  <jesusabdullah>:)
19:21:51  <jhsto>well
19:22:02  <jhsto>its giving me internal server error on my domain
19:22:17  <jesusabdullah>link? I can tell you if it's your app or our infrastructure
19:22:34  <jesusabdullah>also, "jitsu logs app"
19:22:53  <jhsto>i think it might be due my nowjs imports
19:23:06  <jesusabdullah>potentially.
19:23:07  <jhsto>which are based as it would be localhost
19:23:14  <jesusabdullah>ahhh
19:23:27  <jhsto>well anyway, thanks
19:23:44  <jhsto>at least i got the another project of mine back to cloud with your fix
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19:24:54  <Nodejitsu-Github>[nodejitsu-api] jesusabdullah pushed 1 new commit to master: http://git.io/bk2_4w
19:24:54  <Nodejitsu-Github>[nodejitsu-api/master] [dist] v0.3.1 - Joshua Holbrook
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19:25:16  <jesusabdullah>jhsto: you're welcome
19:25:16  <jhsto>umm, its actually saying it cant find module 'jade'
19:25:30  <jesusabdullah>interesting. Is it in your package.json?
19:26:12  <jhsto>haha
19:26:14  <jhsto>no
19:26:17  <jhsto>:)
19:26:57  <jesusabdullah>Happens
19:27:07  <AvianFlu>that dynamic jade require gets a lot of people
19:27:24  <jhsto>haha, so it seems
19:28:41  <aroman>AvianFlu: any dice on the loadbalancer front?
19:28:55  <AvianFlu>aroman, I didn't see it once after I started testing them
19:28:57  <aroman>i haven't noticed any further issues on my end
19:28:59  <AvianFlu>has it started again?
19:29:04  <aroman>no sir, just checkin
19:29:09  <AvianFlu>yeah, this is what this issue is like
19:29:16  <AvianFlu>it happens a bunch, then suddenly stops
19:29:22  <aroman>that's some whacky stuff
19:29:27  <AvianFlu>it used to be apps that had just been moved over from rackspace
19:29:35  <AvianFlu>a particular class of failure
19:29:44  <AvianFlu>but we fixed that, and this isn't the same
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19:32:31  <jhsto>jesusabdullah, what does exactly happen after the paid plans are released? whats the difference between dev sandbox and micro plan?
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19:33:52  <aroman>AvianFlu: well I'm gonna go ahead and launch my app. If it starts breaking for people, I'll be sure to let you know :)
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19:35:11  <AvianFlu>aroman, in the meantime, just mention to your friends that they should refresh the page if they see it
19:35:18  <jesusabdullah>jhsto: the dev sandbox, right now, is similar to what you would get with dedicated machines.
19:35:22  <AvianFlu>cause it's an inconsistent thing
19:35:40  <AvianFlu>and I'll figure this out soon, there's really just not that much else to try.......
19:35:49  <jhsto>ok
19:35:53  <jesusabdullah>jhsto: The micros are shared hosting, so, like, if you expect lots of traffic or need some iron it may not work so well
19:35:53  <aroman>yep will do
19:36:20  <jesusabdullah>jhsto: but for a small web site that gets maybe a few dozen hits a month? Micro's perfect
19:36:25  <jesusabdullah>jhsto: or, like, your blog ;)
19:37:06  <aroman>jesusabdullah: a few dozen hits a _month_, lol?
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19:38:03  <jesusabdullah>aroman: My websites were never very popular. :(
19:38:20  <AvianFlu>aroman, one drone, right now, somebody benched a helloworld at just under 200 req/s
19:38:26  <jesusabdullah>aroman: the micros should be able to handle significantly more traffic than a few dozen hits a month.
19:38:57  <AvianFlu>which is like, tens of millions of hits in a day
19:39:05  <aroman>one drone == micro?
19:39:05  <AvianFlu>(were it continuous)
19:39:15  <AvianFlu>aroman, one drone == what you deploy to right this second in the beta
19:39:31  <aroman>I see. and how does that compare to the micro plan?
19:39:38  <yawnt>i found an awesome tv series
19:39:39  <yawnt>:D
19:40:18  <jesusabdullah>aroman: A drone is 1:1 with a process or app. But, a drone may not be 1:1 with a server.
19:40:27  <jesusabdullah>aroman: in dedicated, drones are 1:1 with servers.
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19:40:39  <jesusabdullah>aroman: in shared, drones share servers with n-1 other apps
19:40:50  <aroman>so drone : nodejitsu :: dyno : heroku?
19:41:04  <aroman>(roughly)
19:41:19  <AvianFlu>aroman, yeah
19:41:32  <AvianFlu>we don't run things the same way, but it's the same "basic unit of hosting" concept
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19:44:00  <aroman>yeah that's what I was referring to
19:44:50  <aroman>also, is there a minimum # of drones for the large dedicated plan?
19:45:13  <aroman>i.e I pay $24/month for 1 dedicated drone
19:45:33  <aroman>effectively being more "micro" than the micro plan, which has two drones for $48
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19:46:07  <aroman>(this inconsistency isn't present in the shared pricing grid)
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19:46:34  <raphie>just FYI AvianFlu / jesusabdullah, I won the hackathon
19:46:39  <AvianFlu>LOLNICE!
19:46:51  <raphie>and got techcrunched
19:46:53  <raphie>well, as part of it
19:47:02  <raphie>and well, pseudo-won the hackathon
19:47:05  <raphie>three winners
19:47:16  <raphie>the other two got money, I didn't because it wouldn't have been legal
19:47:27  <AvianFlu>yeah that'll happen like that sometimes
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19:47:53  <raphie>does Marak ever come on? I want dat dropbox
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19:50:09  <AvianFlu>he tends to sleep late and then work through the night
19:50:20  <AvianFlu>(US West Coast time)
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19:58:00  <jesusabdullah>raphie: Gratz!!
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19:58:14  <raphie>thanks jesusabdullah
19:58:41  <yawnt>lol
19:58:47  <raphie>http://techcrunch.com/2012/07/13/angelhack-winners/
19:58:48  <yawnt>i contacted a designer from Kansas City
19:58:57  <yawnt>asking how much for a logo
19:59:08  <jesusabdullah>raphie: You're only 15?
19:59:17  <jesusabdullah>no offense, that explains some things
19:59:31  <yawnt>he said '500$, if that's too much i can point you to other people'
19:59:51  <yawnt>i said 'yeah, it'd be too much', and he blocked me on skype
19:59:58  <yawnt>great customer service :(
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20:03:10  <raphie>jesusabdullah: yeah, I know
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20:11:08  <yawnt>raphie: how do you copy actions from session to the other?
20:11:23  <yawnt>do you access the DOM in the iframe?
20:11:33  <raphie>that's the secret sauce
20:11:56  <yawnt>do you really want me to dig up the source? come on
20:12:01  <raphie>lol ok
20:12:09  <raphie>it uses a proxy
20:12:20  <yawnt>proxy.sharebrowse.com
20:12:24  <raphie>yes
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20:13:03  <raphie>actions are via socket.io
20:14:38  <yawnt>okya
20:15:16  <lpin>yawnt what's you budget for the logo?
20:15:22  <yawnt>and then you replicate on the client
20:15:31  <yawnt>with the little red ball and keyboard stuff
20:16:01  <yawnt>lpin: like < 100$ lol ? i can't afford much, i knew it wouldn't have worked but i was hoping he could point me to someone
20:16:29  <yawnt>it's really basic, and i already kinda know what it should look like, so it shouldn't take too much time (i think)
20:21:18  <fomatin>hey raphie
20:21:22  <fomatin>are you in the SV area?
20:21:26  <raphie>I am!
20:22:04  <fomatin>which city? out of curiosity
20:23:01  <aroman>AvianFlu: oh dear: An error has occurred: {"code":"EMFILE","errno":"EMFILE","syscall":"connect"}
20:23:20  <aroman>what in the hell is an EMIFILE, lol?
20:23:37  <fomatin>I'm hosting an event in Palo Alto sponsored by General Catalyst open to any young entrepreneurs/developers in the area
20:23:53  <fomatin>If you're interested, shoot me an email at fouad@classdojo.com
20:24:26  <jesusabdullah>fomatin: I heard through the grapevine that you're in towne?
20:24:47  <raphie>fomatin: redwood city, working in SF though
20:24:48  <fomatin>jesusabdullah: yup!
20:24:54  <jesusabdullah>Cool
20:24:56  <fomatin>open to meet today?
20:24:59  <raphie>is it a hackathon or just a meetup?
20:25:02  <jesusabdullah>Today? Hmm
20:25:03  <AvianFlu>aroman, that actually may explain a lot
20:25:09  <jesusabdullah>Possibly
20:25:15  <jesusabdullah>How long are you here fomatin ?
20:25:16  <AvianFlu>let me have a look - I think I can fix that quickly
20:25:24  <fomatin>raphie: it's a meetup of any under 25 year olds in SV
20:25:27  <aroman>AvianFlu: EMFILE is something about not having any more fd's available for processes?
20:25:35  * aromanjust googled around
20:25:35  <raphie>fomatin: ahh, that'd be neat, when is it?
20:25:37  <fomatin>like Dale Stephens (thiel fellow), and more
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20:25:47  <fomatin>August 16th
20:25:54  <raphie>Niko Bonatsos was one of the Angelhack judges, haha
20:25:59  <fomatin>it's not public just year
20:26:00  <fomatin>yet*
20:26:03  <raphie>crap, I'm leaving on the 15th
20:26:10  <fomatin>but if you send me your email ill send you more info
20:26:12  <fomatin>darn
20:26:30  <fomatin>well, we should meet some time soon
20:26:34  <fomatin>btw I'm 16 :)
20:26:52  <fomatin>haha yeah Niko and I are hosting the event
20:27:01  <fomatin>completely sponsored by General Catalyst
20:27:24  <fomatin>jesusabdullah: I work in Palo Alto actually, we're just here for a few days testing out shared office space
20:27:26  <fomatin>StartupHQ
20:27:50  <raphie>fomatin: what's your name, I probably know people who know you
20:28:13  <fomatin>Fouad Matin
20:28:13  <jesusabdullah>fomatin: I see. If not today, I can probably meet up tomorrow
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20:28:23  <fomatin>jesusabdullah: alright sounds good
20:28:40  <AvianFlu>aroman, should be gone now
20:28:41  <fomatin>btw raphie, what company are you working with?
20:28:52  <raphie>offerslot, just building internal tools
20:28:55  <AvianFlu>also, congratulations, you made a balancer crap out :D
20:28:58  <raphie>hoping to flip sharebrowse
20:29:05  <aroman>AvianFlu: currently getting 500 Error: no open connections, so I assume I just need to restart the app?
20:29:08  <AvianFlu>aroman, are you using custom DNS with that
20:29:21  <AvianFlu>aroman, run 'start' instead of 'restart'
20:29:25  <aroman>whoa completely disregard that 500 thing
20:29:28  <AvianFlu>it'll do some nifty zero-downtime replacement
20:29:29  <aroman>i was testing the wrong app lol
20:29:33  <aroman>it's all fine now
20:29:36  <AvianFlu>cool
20:29:42  <aroman>and no, just on veritas.jit.su
20:29:48  <AvianFlu>somebody forgot to up the ulimit on one of the balancers
20:29:55  <aroman>i'm probably gonna get sued by Havard for the name anyway ;)
20:30:06  <aroman>AvianFlu: ah that makes sense. well I'm glad we could get to the bottom of it :)
20:30:08  <AvianFlu>that'll happen - although that *is* just the latin word for 'truth'
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20:31:11  <aroman>yeah that's definitely partially why I picked it. also because it's a social network for Harvard's summer school itself, so it's not like it's externally facing or anything. well anyway, now I can launch with confidence xD
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20:32:26  <raphie>whoah, this has gotta be harvard's first internal social network!
20:32:32  <jesusabdullah>ololo
20:32:43  <aroman>haha. it's verrry different from TheFacebook, trust me ;)
20:32:56  <jesusabdullah>suuuure ;)
20:33:12  <aroman>think IRC for dorms+courses
20:33:35  <yawnt>i read once
20:33:44  <yawnt>rule number 1 for startup ideas was
20:33:59  <jesusabdullah>don't talk about startup ideas?
20:34:04  <yawnt>'if its "just <x> for <y>" you got it wrong'
20:34:13  <jesusabdullah>well
20:34:19  <aroman>yeah this is definitely not a startup lol. just me being bored in lecture xD
20:34:20  <jesusabdullah>if it's "just" x4y, yeah
20:34:20  <yawnt>which kinda makes sense most of the time
20:34:40  <jesusabdullah>but people create understanding through
20:34:50  <aroman>AvianFlu: oh shit, it's back
20:34:55  <aroman>EMFILE strikes again
20:35:02  <aroman>different load balancer I guess?
20:35:35  <AvianFlu>or the drone server - I'll up the limit on all of them
20:35:43  <yawnt>jesusabdullah: yeah of course, it's not meant to say you couldn't use as a slogan
20:35:49  <yawnt>just don't base your idea on that single concept
20:36:00  <jesusabdullah>right
20:36:01  <aroman>alright. i wonder why this is happening all of a sudden. or has this been an ongoing issue?
20:36:03  <jesusabdullah>er
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20:36:10  <jesusabdullah>people create understanding through **metaphor**
20:36:15  <aroman>jesusabdullah++
20:36:15  <jesusabdullah>accidentally the entire word :(
20:36:18  <kohai>jesusabdullah has 108 keys to various cities
20:36:30  <fomatin>btw jesusabdullah & AvianFlu where are you guys located in the city?
20:36:37  <jesusabdullah>fomatin: I'm in Oakland
20:36:45  <AvianFlu>and I'm way out by the ocean
20:36:49  <fomatin>oh ok haha
20:36:53  <jesusabdullah>fomatin: anything near the bart is accessible for me
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20:39:05  <AvianFlu>aroman, how much traffic are you getting?
20:39:17  <aroman>AvianFlu: should be ~0 right now
20:39:20  <AvianFlu>it might just be that we're hitting the level of noticing this today, after going into public beta last week
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20:39:40  <aroman>but I expect a pretty big spike this week (what with people actually potentially using it and stuff)
20:39:41  <AvianFlu>or somebody deployed something awesome and is getting lots of traffic
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20:40:22  <aroman>yeah that's what I was thinking as well, since I've been running another app in semi-production mode for months on nodejitsu and I've never run into that error
20:40:39  <AvianFlu>aroman, all the balancers are now restarted with the new ulimits
20:40:50  <aroman>AvianFlu: yay, thanks!
20:40:52  <AvianFlu>I'll take another look at the drone server and make sure it's not there
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21:07:31  <CTan>has anyone had a 401 Not Authorized error when deploying the first time to nodejitsu?
21:09:53  <CTan>I tried changing my password multiple times and also used mac and PC to no avail
21:10:39  <jesusabdullah>CTan: Which interface are you trying to use?
21:10:51  <jesusabdullah>CTan: I've heard of people having issues logging into the web ui, but not with jitsu
21:11:07  <aroman>AvianFlu: it's that time again :O
21:11:08  <jesusabdullah>CTan: jitsu is also the more mature tool, and will give you by far the best deploy experience
21:11:16  <jesusabdullah>aroman: FUR RONDY??!?!
21:11:22  <aroman>AvianFlu: and now it's gone O.o
21:11:33  <aroman>jesusabdullah: dat reference. I seem to be missing it xD
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21:14:44  <jesusabdullah>aroman: All good, very localized to where I grew up
21:14:49  <jesusabdullah>aroman: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7SW8nQ5PbAY&t=2m
21:14:53  <jesusabdullah>AvianFlu: ^^
21:15:13  <aroman>jesusabdullah: LOL
21:15:37  <jesusabdullah>and that, my friends
21:15:42  <jesusabdullah>is just one small slice of Fur Rondy
21:16:56  <CTan>jesusabdullah: I am using gitbash
21:17:30  <jesusabdullah>CTan: we don't have a tool called gitbash?
21:17:43  <jesusabdullah>CTan: I'm guessing you're using jitsu then?
21:18:25  <CTan>jesusabdullah: sorry, i tottally didnt understand the question, I am using command line to 'jitsu deploy'
21:18:34  <CTan>jesusabdullah: i am unable to login via the web interface
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21:19:39  <CTan>jesusabdullah: i recently signed up and trying to deploy my first app (was unable to last night and this afternoon)
21:20:00  <jesusabdullah>CTan: I see. We're working on the web interface right now, but in the meantime I highly encourage you to use jitsu instead :)
21:20:06  <AvianFlu>aroman, lol, the ECONNREFUSED?
21:20:34  <blakmatrix>CTan: what is your username
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21:21:19  <AvianFlu>aroman, was that the ECONNREFUSED again
21:21:20  <AvianFlu>?
21:21:33  <jesusabdullah>blakmatrix: http://fatboysfatery.com/
21:21:39  <aroman>AvianFlu: it was, but it was only for a few seconds. it's currently good
21:21:54  <AvianFlu>aroman, yeah, it must have realized I stopped for lunch
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21:22:34  <zeus>What version of node are supported under the open beta?
21:22:38  <blakmatrix>jesusabdullah: that reminds me of this http://www.angelfire.com/ak3/fr39710/
21:22:40  <zeus>versions*
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21:23:39  <aroman>AvianFlu: lo
21:23:40  <aroman>lol*
21:23:41  <zeus>Does nodejitsu support any versions > 0.8?
21:23:51  <jesusabdullah>lol blakmatrix, apparently your middle school had the same login system mine did!
21:23:54  <jesusabdullah>zeus: Soon.
21:24:02  <AvianFlu>zeus, later this week
21:24:08  <blakmatrix>Novell FTW
21:24:11  <blakmatrix>:P
21:24:20  <jesusabdullah>lulz
21:24:23  <blakmatrix>and it was a k-12 :P
21:24:24  <zeus>jesusabdullah: How about 6.18 or 6.20?
21:24:42  <jesusabdullah>zeus: I think we have 6.19 ? Set your engines field to 0.6.x for best results.
21:24:57  <aroman>AvianFlu: and *now* it's back
21:25:04  <aroman>sporadically
21:25:52  <jesusabdullah>blakmatrix: and mine was a 7-12. YOUR POINT BEING
21:26:19  <blakmatrix>mine was more awesome
21:26:34  <blakmatrix>had everyone in it
21:26:50  <yawnt>im out
21:26:51  <yawnt>bye
21:26:58  <blakmatrix>bye yawnt
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21:27:54  <AvianFlu>aroman, I've been curling all the balancers and only getting 200s
21:28:10  <CTan>blakmatrix: ChrisTan
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21:28:24  <AvianFlu>aroman, can you start testing with curl -v?
21:28:32  <AvianFlu>it'll show the balancer ip at the top of the output
21:29:23  <zeus>jesusabdullah: Thanks :) The .x trick doesn't play nice with Heroku, but I guess I will just keep 2 seperate files till 0.8 is supported
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21:30:12  <jesusabdullah>Really? Heroku doesn't roll semvers?
21:30:14  <jesusabdullah>Weak
21:30:34  <zeus>jesusabdullah: agreed :p
21:30:56  <zeus>jesusabdullah: Wouldn't have had this problem at all though if you guys would have just gave me my invite earlier !
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21:32:59  <zeus>feature request: add a flag to 'jitsu deploy' so that it just auto increments my npm version instead of asking me
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21:33:09  <zeus>my package version*
21:33:38  <jesusabdullah>zeus: shoulda asked homes, we gave invites out whenever we could
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21:34:06  <zeus>jesusabdullah: I did, but this was really early on, I was just pulling your leg. Btw, do you have guys have databases we can spawn yet?
21:34:13  <jesusabdullah>lulz
21:34:20  <jesusabdullah>Yeah, check out `jitsu databases`
21:34:44  <zeus>some docs on whats available?
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21:40:52  <jesusabdullah>zeus: jitsu is self-documenting, but yeah, check out http://handbook.jit.su
21:41:51  <zeus>jesusabdullah: Checked it out, as well as the cli help, and nowhere does it mention which databases you guys support (redis, postgres etc)
21:42:44  <zeus>Once i get these databases set up I can just drop heroku all together
21:43:41  <zeus>jesusabdullah: trial and error ftw, redis works :)
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21:45:52  <jaha>as per http://dns.nodejitsu.com/, is setting my domains DNS A records to all those load balancers best practice? what happens if one goes down, does traffic fallback to another balancer or lost untill TTL refreshes ??
21:46:28  <jaha>for example, heroku seems to advise against that method
21:48:02  <AvianFlu>jaha, if you add more than one entry, it's a round-robin effect, and provides failover
21:48:34  <spolu>Hi guys, I just wanted to share a little project we just made public: http://dattss.com it's a cloud-based replacement for statsd. Kind of useful in a PaaS environment such as nodejitsu! It's free at the moment and I hope it can be helpful to some of you!
21:49:06  <AvianFlu>waaaaaait a minute
21:49:20  <jaha>AvianFlu: thats what i thought but this repsonse on GoDaddy had me second guessing, so I guess its wrong? "If you put in multiple A records, that’s called round robin DNS. Go Daddy’s Total DNS Control will certainly allow you to do this. I’d challenge whether you really want to, though. With round robin DNS, the DNS system doesn’t know if one of the sites is down. In a server down scenario, DNS will still randomly send half of
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21:51:19  <jesusabdullah>jaha: Yeah, you want all of thems
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21:51:56  <AvianFlu>jaha, you won't have to worry about that kind of stuff
21:53:06  <jaha>K, ive just been a few sites setup for production once nodejitsu accounts go live
21:53:08  <jesusabdullah>spolu: Neat. Is this something I can run on my own box if I feel so inclined?
21:54:10  <spolu>jesusabdullah: not yet but we will probably open source it entirely very soon (still up for discussion)
21:54:32  <spolu>jesusabdullah: entirely nodeJS + d3.js so it's really one npm install away :)
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21:56:33  <jesusabdullah>spolu: word. I might have need for something like this, but yeah I'd want to run it on an internal box
21:56:58  <jesusabdullah>just due to the particular nature of the data I'll be dealing with
21:57:04  <spolu>jesusabdullah: sounds good. Let me ping you as soon as it's released (with a decent installation process)
21:57:11  <spolu>jesusabdullah: yep make sense
21:57:46  <jesusabdullah>sure, sure :)
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22:06:05  <koen_>what happened to https://develop.nodejitsu.com/ ?
22:06:19  <koen_>getting lots of: An error has occurred: {"code":"EMFILE","errno":"EMFILE","syscall":"connect"}
22:06:20  <jesusabdullah>koen_: What do you mean? Having trouble logging in?
22:06:27  <jesusabdullah>uhhh
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22:06:37  <jesusabdullah>EMFILE is new to me but someone was seeing that earlier
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22:08:38  <koen_>ok, got in now
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22:09:59  <jesusabdullah>Cool
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22:26:16  <CTan>blakmatrix++
22:26:16  <kohai>blakmatrix has 15 Gold-Pressed Latinum bricks
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22:27:24  <blakmatrix>Thanks, glad to help CTan
22:32:50  <CTan>blakmatrix I'm a happy camper now :)
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22:34:00  <zeus>jesusabdullah: So I've set all my A records in my dns provider for my root domain, but do I need to also add all of those A records again for my www subdomain?
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22:34:27  <jordanscales>hi, I'm having a problem connecting to redis? has anything changed recently?
22:34:56  <jesusabdullah>zeus: Either that, or cname your www to your rot
22:35:14  <zeus>jesusabdullah: Bingo, second option sounds much cleaner :)
22:35:15  <jesusabdullah>jordanscales: Not in terms of your redis url, no
22:35:26  <jesusabdullah>zeus: Yeah, one thing versus 10 things right?
22:35:48  <zeus>jesusabdullah: right :)
22:35:49  <jordanscales>anything wrong with the following?
22:35:49  <jordanscales>var express = require('express') , io = require('socket.io') , routes = require('./routes') , redis = require('redis'); var redisClient = redis.createClient();
22:36:06  <zeus>jordanscales: I dont see the URL in there?
22:36:10  <jordanscales>do I need to specify a host, port? I didn't in previous deploys
22:36:28  <jesusabdullah>jordanscales: Yes?
22:36:29  <DTrejo>without a url it will look at localhost
22:36:37  <jesusabdullah>jordanscales: we have never offered localhost redis.
22:37:24  <jordanscales>hm I must've deployed before I actually used redis then! so in order to use redis I would need something offsite? like an EC2 instance?
22:37:51  <zeus>jordanscales: Sending you a gist which will get you set up in no time :p
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22:38:02  <jordanscales>thank you, much appreciated!
22:38:03  <jesusabdullah>jordanscales: or, one of the redis instances we offer over 'jitsu databases'
22:40:37  <zeus>jordanscales: https://gist.github.com/3125546
22:41:26  <zeus>All that does is parses the URL you provide and creates connection for you using the node-redis library
22:41:36  <jordanscales>thank you! what is the pricing for databases? I'm currently on the free plan
22:41:55  <zeus>going to have to ask an actual nodejitsu employee about that, im just a fanboy
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22:42:04  <jordanscales>oh, haha
22:42:08  <jordanscales>well, thank you for your help
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22:42:57  <jesusabdullah>zeus: the redis instances we're offering now are redistogo's free ones. We'll be introducing scaling for the databases as well but pricing will generally be the same as that of our partners
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22:43:48  <zeus>jesusabdullah: It was jordanscales that was asking but thanks :)
22:43:57  <tombh>hello :) can anyone give me a hand with this error "package.json error: can't find starting script: node app"
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22:45:40  <jesusabdullah>zeus: Oh, sorry, I meant to hilight jordanscales
22:45:48  <jesusabdullah>jordanscales: Read up a few lines to where I accidentally zeus
22:46:08  <jesusabdullah>tombh: change it to "app.js"
22:46:30  <jesusabdullah>tombh: Think of that line as though it's what you'd type into the shell. In fact, npm start *does* use sh.
22:46:34  <blakmatrix>tombh: can yo ugive me a gist of your package.json ? It sounds like it cant find the file it references
22:46:51  <jesusabdullah>blakmatrix: I'll bet you the file's app.js and not app
22:46:55  <blakmatrix>ah
22:47:19  <blakmatrix>buffering ftl
22:48:23  <tombh>so simple! .js fixed it :D
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22:51:19  <HotPie>hello nodejitsu
22:51:52  <blakmatrix>hello HotPie
22:52:11  <HotPie>was looking on documentation for implementing redis
22:52:38  <HotPie>within the nodejitsu instance
22:53:24  <HotPie>[swap on and for] =)
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22:54:13  <jesusabdullah>HotPie: type ``jitsu databases`
22:54:31  <jesusabdullah>HotPie: we don't do localhost redis
22:56:01  <HotPie>ahhh
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22:57:19  <HotPie>i am new to node. any documentation how to route to the remote redis datastore? i have redis working localhost.
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23:15:00  <jordanscales>jitsu logs is returning logs from nearly an hour ago - even though I've redeployed my app
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23:17:25  <DTrejo>jesusabdullah: I just taught a sophomore in highschool how to deploy his website to nodejitsu
23:17:38  <DTrejo>jesusabdullah: http://erickguzman.jit.su/
23:17:54  <DTrejo>0 to hero on a windows machine
23:18:17  <jesusabdullah>nice
23:18:25  <jesusabdullah>geocites on steroids
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23:22:52  <jesusabdullah>HotPie: Look up the docs for the redis client
23:22:54  <jesusabdullah>npm search redis
23:22:55  <npmbro>jesusabdullah: Please see http://eirikb.github.com/nipster/#redis
23:23:01  <jesusabdullah>HotPie: ^^
23:23:37  <jesusabdullah>HotPie: I believe the redis stuff in jitsu still shows a connection string, which is awkward because you don't even really have usernames on redis instances
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23:39:14  <jordanscales>if I have the redistogo link redis://nodejitsu:XXX@drum.redistogo.com:9786/
23:39:25  <jordanscales>how do I connect to it with redis-cli? i can't figure it out
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23:41:24  <jesusabdullah>jordanscales: url is drum.redistogo.com, port is 9786, auth is XXX, ignore the "nodejitsu"
23:41:42  <jesusabdullah>Maybe I'll fix that tonight
23:42:00  <jesusabdullah>SHOULD fix that tonight
23:42:20  <AvianFlu>jesusabdullah, he's talking about redis-cli
23:42:26  <AvianFlu>why would that not need the username?
23:42:37  <jesusabdullah>AvianFlu: because redis doesn't use usernames
23:43:00  <jesusabdullah>jordanscales: It looks like you want to do
23:43:18  <jesusabdullah>redis-cli -h drum.redistogo.com -p 9786 -a XXX
23:43:24  <jesusabdullah>jordanscales: ^^^
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