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00:57:37  <Fishrock123>well i don't think it makes much sense to promisify the event-emitter based apis
00:58:05  <Fishrock123>i.e. streams
00:58:10  <Fishrock123>because... yeah
00:58:21  <chiper>doesn't stop some people from trying
00:58:27  <Fishrock123>x_x
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00:59:33  <chiper>fs is pretty much the poster child for "needs promises"
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11:23:59  <indutny>rvagg: you around?
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11:31:11  <rvagg>indutny: yerp
11:31:29  <indutny>rvagg: what is a proper way to ask CI to build PR?
11:31:35  <indutny>rvagg: should I use v0.12 branch or master?
11:31:57  <rvagg>indutny: iojs+any-pr+multi
11:32:26  <rvagg>indutny: https://jenkins-node-forward.nodesource.com/job/iojs+any-pr+multi/build
11:32:33  <indutny>right
11:32:39  <indutny>so the branch is a target PR branch?
11:32:44  <indutny>and id is PR id, yes?
11:33:00  <rvagg>indutny: yes, the ID doesn't really matter so much, it's the user and branch that are the most important
11:33:07  <indutny>oooh
11:33:19  <indutny>but if I'll put
11:33:22  <indutny>iojs io.js
11:33:23  <indutny>v0.12
11:33:24  <rvagg>the PR ID will be used for a ping-back like tacking mechanism when we automate
11:33:25  <indutny>and PR id
11:33:29  <indutny>oh gosh
11:33:32  <indutny>so I did it wrong
11:33:33  <indutny>:)
11:33:57  <indutny>thank you!
11:34:04  <rvagg>yeah, so if I PR from rvagg/io.js branch some-whacky-branch-name then it's "rvagg", "io.js" and "some-whacky-branch-name"
11:34:16  <indutny>great
11:34:20  <indutny>thanks
11:34:27  <indutny>rvagg: btw, have you seen https://github.com/iojs/io.js/pull/172 ?
11:37:06  <rvagg>indutny: ooo, no I hadn't seen progress
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11:39:44  <rvagg>indutny: is "make test-simple" going to be a problem here?
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11:42:12  <indutny>fixed
11:43:03  <indutny>rvagg: rebuilding
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11:43:06  <indutny>https://jenkins-node-forward.nodesource.com/job/iojs+any-pr+multi/12/
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11:52:04  <rvagg>👍 looking good
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13:50:43  <indutny>bnoordhuis: haha
13:50:56  <indutny>bnoordhuis: rvagg: guys, I'm not going to attend today's TC meetup
13:51:04  <indutny>sorry
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13:51:33  <indutny>bnoordhuis: rvagg; also, if there will be problems with stabilizing CI on parallel thing
13:51:48  <indutny>bnoordhuis: rvagg: I am up to making `make test` run with `-j1`
13:51:56  <indutny>and having separate target with -J
13:53:19  <indutny>bnoordhuis: rvagg: please do not revert it in any case :)
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18:43:15  <Wraithan> /me eagerly watches the countdown
18:43:22  <Wraithan>oops leading space
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18:57:11  <muricula>Yes, the coutdown which will lead us into space
19:01:26  <piscisaureus>trevnorris: indutny: tc
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19:12:11  <muricula>indutny said he's not coming, if you're waiting for him.
19:14:46  <rvagg>we're getting organised ... just a minute or two more
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19:19:30  <Fishrock123>TC Meeting live now: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7s-VJLQEWXg
19:20:04  <crueber>Pretty green trees in the background are win. For those of us in the frozen north.
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19:20:26  <Fishrock123>I think that's in Australia.
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19:21:27  <crueber>Idyllic. :)
19:22:16  <reqshark>ya with birds chirping
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19:30:11  <therebelrobot>does anyone know if logos are on the agenda for today?
19:30:35  <therebelrobot>or if that is even within the scope of the tc meeting?
19:30:41  <rvagg>therebelrobot: no, not sure that discussion has matured enough
19:31:06  <Fishrock123>logos: use all the logos
19:31:13  <Fishrock123>*flails arms*
19:31:18  <therebelrobot>lolol
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19:32:28  <therebelrobot>https://i.imgflip.com/ffkkg.jpg
19:32:34  <Fishrock123>yes
19:33:05  <therebelrobot>dang, that makes branding for the site hard to nail down.
19:33:19  <Fishrock123>nah
19:33:39  <Fishrock123>I think there was a thing to load a new logo each time, something like that is fun
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19:36:16  <rvagg>I'll put a note at the end of the agenda to see what ppl think
19:36:59  <chiper>do the thing http://d3js.org does, but fill the hexes with all the logos
19:37:00  <therebelrobot>:D You all rock
19:37:08  <Wraithan>rvagg: I am also not against frequent releases, more worried about predictable releases.
19:37:38  <rvagg>Wraithan: right, predictable and having some lead time?
19:37:45  <Wraithan>rvagg: exactly
19:37:50  <therebelrobot>chiper: I like that idea... hop over to https://github.com/iojs/iojs.github.io/issues/14 and add that in
19:37:52  <Wraithan>also yes, we do dirty things haha
19:40:18  <chiper>therebelrobot: done
19:40:33  <therebelrobot>you rock :D Thanks!
19:42:20  <Wraithan>100% +1 on more feature flags
19:42:40  <Wraithan>We've moved to a system like that as well and it made a huge difference in our ability to move stuff out but still pull things
19:43:02  <qard>Agreed. Flag all the things!
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19:43:46  <Wraithan>qard: I'm sure you liked the release cadence stuff as well, considering you also instrument node
19:44:03  <qard>Yep. :)
19:44:52  <qard>What I heard of it anyway. I jumped in part way through that conversation.
19:45:13  <Wraithan>ah
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19:46:57  <bradleymeck>wouldn't it only load modules that are not installed in your app already?
19:47:10  <chrisdickinson>yep
19:48:48  <reqshark>or use npm install -g modulename
19:49:51  <bradleymeck>you mean above require.main ?
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19:51:10  <bradleymeck>xp sp 2 looks like when everyone group was limited to read/execute
19:51:18  <bradleymeck>creator group looks to still have full perms
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19:53:31  <bradleymeck>if it is per node instance though we could change it per sub process
19:53:37  <Wraithan>chrisdickinson: that is AMAZING
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19:53:43  <node_modules>hahaha
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19:53:54  <therebelrobot>lolol
19:54:03  <therebelrobot>rm -rf node_modules
19:54:12  <node_modules>bummer dude
19:54:16  <therebelrobot>lolol
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19:54:24  <Fishrock123>LOL
19:54:47  <rvagg>`adduser node_modules` is neat, and pretty evil
19:55:12  <Fishrock123>o.O
19:55:16  <Wraithan>such a good laugh out of that
19:55:32  <bradleymeck>no, it will always search up if require does not start with './' or '../'
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19:58:02  <Fishrock123>what happens if you were to install a package called node_modules o.o
19:58:07  <bradleymeck>I think we should first figure out if these statements are true / when they changed
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19:58:24  <Fishrock123>uh oh
19:58:26  <bradleymeck>Fishrock123: it will be added to the resolution path
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19:58:29  <Aria>Ooh, interesting idea, Fishrock123
19:58:33  <therebelrobot>Fishrock123: package called node_modules and add a user called node_modules
19:58:41  <therebelrobot>and the hostname is node_modules
19:58:46  <Fishrock123>therebelrobot: hahaha
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19:59:04  <seishun>if you can create arbitrary users on a system, you have other way to fuck someone over
19:59:06  <bradleymeck>it gets more complex because you can reset the USERPROFILE env var
19:59:24  <therebelrobot>https://i.imgflip.com/ffm16.jpg
20:00:18  <bradleymeck>we don't even have good research on what is going on in windows by default
20:06:35  <therebelrobot>maybe a triage interface like with nodebug.me?
20:06:43  <therebelrobot>would that help?
20:07:50  <therebelrobot>re: possible pull requests ^^^^
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20:18:18  <Fishrock123>iirc FileReader is now in stable, blob has been for some time
20:18:27  <chrisdickinson>yep
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20:18:50  <qard>real web workers would be awesome.
20:18:56  <Fishrock123>(right!)
20:19:13  <Fishrock123>lol
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20:19:29  <Fishrock123>what issacs said
20:19:31  <qard>Us audio hackers would love audio API in node. :P
20:19:46  <Fishrock123>haha
20:19:49  <qard>Sounds like Bert is volunteering. :O
20:19:50  <therebelrobot>+1 qard
20:20:17  <qard>He needs more work, right?
20:21:37  <Fishrock123>blob is actually really good for uploady things, esp with images
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20:23:51  <RLa>any idea when streams come to browsers?
20:24:08  <RLa>or blobs somehow cover that usage?
20:24:24  <Aria>https://github.com/whatwg/streams
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20:26:10  <RLa>nice
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20:26:57  <a0viedo>RLa: Domenic is working on that
20:27:22  <Domenic>RLa: turn on experimental web platform features in chrome and you can get a taste :)
20:27:23  <chrisdickinson>I'm planning on writing a bit about them, too
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20:27:41  <Wraithan>rvagg: also tshirts
20:27:42  <qard>But then I have to buy 1000+ t-shirts. :O
20:27:45  <therebelrobot>lolol
20:27:46  <therebelrobot>love it
20:27:53  <Fishrock123>YESSS
20:27:55  <Wraithan>I have at least 3 tshirts on the way
20:28:00  <Fishrock123>same
20:28:09  <qard>I'm gonna need a bigger closet.
20:28:11  <Wraithan>I expect when I'm done with my month of being sober that will increase quite a bit
20:28:22  <Fishrock123>right
20:28:29  <Fishrock123>I need to get stickers made still
20:28:35  <Fishrock123>ooo
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20:31:32  <therebelrobot>Well, at least they talked about logos :P
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20:33:09  <therebelrobot>I almost want to go through the logo thread, bulk export all of them, make all of them displayable, and do something like chiper suggested... though licensing might be a little hairy from that...
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20:33:21  <chrisdickinson>Domenic: do you happen to know, offhand, of a link I could read about where the start callback originated in whatwg/streams?
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20:33:36  <chrisdickinson>or was that always part of the spec?
20:34:42  <Domenic>chrisdickinson: always in whatwg/streams. it's basically the revealing constructor pattern. http://domenic.me/2014/02/13/the-revealing-constructor-pattern/
20:35:00  <Domenic>push sources would always use the start callback, is the vision
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20:36:39  <chrisdickinson>ah, interesting
20:37:18  <chrisdickinson>I ask because it seems like the start functionality could get pushed to a subclass
20:37:56  <chrisdickinson>where the subclass would expose the start method, but core streams were something like `Readable({enqueue, close(err?)})`
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20:58:52  <Domenic>chrisdickinson: that sounds more like pushing the pull functionality to a subclass?
20:59:14  <chrisdickinson>wouldn't that be the push functionality?
21:02:16  <chrisdickinson>my suspicion is that, for the base stream case, it would simplify the state machine a bit
21:03:12  <chrisdickinson>(but with streams it's difficult to distinguish constructive simplifying changes from bikeshedding)
21:09:29  <seishun>is canio still turned off?
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21:10:35  <seishun>caineio I mean
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21:11:29  <Fishrock123>yeah
21:11:58  <seishun>how do I summon piscisaureus to my issue then :(
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21:13:11  <AngelOfCode>Its not an issue on unix/linux, because it turns a blind eye to alot of developers and users and alienates people.
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21:13:34  <rvagg>seishun: ask for him by name!
21:13:54  <AngelOfCode>Im saying "its fine on unix/linux" is bad reasoning.
21:15:04  <jesusabdullah>context AngelOfCode ?
21:15:58  <jesusabdullah>In general in terms of features, I think "it's fine on *nix" isn't enough in and of itself but combining that with "and windows by design makes this somewhere between difficult and impossible"
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21:16:05  <jesusabdullah>makes for a pretty valid argument
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22:31:17  <piscisaureus>seishun: what's up? You mean https://github.com/iojs/io.js/issues/179 ?
22:31:59  <piscisaureus>seishun: a patch is welcome but I have no idea what the problem is. Possibly visual studio gets confused by the custom build step involved and no longer dares to make a dependency analysis.
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22:33:48  <seishun>piscisaureus: do you also experience long build times compared to visual studio?
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22:34:36  <piscisaureus>seishun: not really, it seems the same
22:34:55  <piscisaureus>but I do run into the issue that node gets re-linked, yes
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22:35:56  <piscisaureus>seishun: but it could be because the .sln/.vcxproj file gets re-generated
22:36:14  <piscisaureus>seishun: vcbuild noprojgen nosign test
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22:38:40  <seishun>looks like vs is pretty slow too
22:38:44  <seishun>I remember it being faster
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22:39:20  <piscisaureus>it's faster in debug mode because then it doesn't use ltcg
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22:46:58  <seishun>uh, is node_natives.h a huge concatenation of all the js files?
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22:48:52  <RLa>unity builds can actually be significantly faster for c++ than incremental compilation
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22:49:43  <RLa>they can also give some huge optimization benefits
22:51:01  <seishun>I can guess that node.gyp bumps the modification time of node_natives.h, so msbuild thinks it's been modified and thus needs to be rebuilt and node thus needs to be re-linked
22:53:29  <RLa>i have had similar issue on osx and clock skew
22:53:36  <seishun>a wild idea: couldn't js2c be replaced with #include wrapped with raw string literal delimiters?
22:53:46  <RLa>it can result in infinite build loop
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22:57:28  <seishun>so we would have something like: const char* whatever = R"(
22:57:29  <seishun>#include "lib/cluster.js"
22:57:31  <seishun>)"
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23:02:01  <seishun>one problem I see with this approach is that you would have to repeat it for every file
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23:57:30  <bradleymeck>ugg installing VMs for windows takes forever