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00:02:48  <srl295>https://github.com/joyent/node/blob/v0.12/src/node_i18n.cc#L77
00:05:39  <jgi>srl295, tjfontaine: I’m following here, but my priority is in fixing https://github.com/joyent/node/issues/8897 and https://github.com/joyent/node/issues/8900
00:06:28  <srl295>so what we could do is, #ifdef STUB_ICU ( https://github.com/srl295/node/pull/15 though no #define there yet ) .. then if users didn't otherwise explicitly hand us a path, call u_setDataDirectory(EXEPATH + "../shared/node/icu/" ) .. #endif ... with no stat
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00:26:58  <tjfontaine>srl295: that makes sense, the stat is probably fine all things considered
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00:28:05  <srl295>Tjfontaine ok so- in the small icu case , do the stat and if the directory is found, assume it will be used and NOT the small icu data. Right?
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00:32:43  <tjfontaine>srl295: yup
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00:57:51  <jgi>tjfontaine, trevnorris, chrisdickinson: update on timers issues: https://github.com/joyent/node/pull/8905 and https://github.com/joyent/node/pull/8906
01:00:43  <tjfontaine>jgi: I like the solution for 8905, but I'd rather formulate the test without using the internal implementation, is it possible to construct that only in terms of a net socket?
01:01:42  <jgi>tjfontaine: let me check
01:01:55  <tjfontaine>it's not a blocker, but it's a preference
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01:45:28  <jgi>tjfontaine: here’s a test that uses net.socket’s setTimeout: https://gist.github.com/misterdjules/253007e00d4b57a9a47c
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02:04:58  <jgi>tjfontaine, trevnorris, chrisdickinson, srl295: taking off now, I’ll be back later
02:06:04  <srl295>jgi: ok.
02:06:25  <srl295>jgi: good night
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02:09:55  <srl295>jgi: theoretically off again tomorrow
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02:10:29  <jgi>srl295: ok
02:10:56  <jgi>srl295: I’ll read the IRC logs later tonight and I’ll comment on issues/PRs if I have questions
02:11:01  <srl295>jgi: ok thanks
02:11:07  <jgi>srl295: thank you
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03:02:35  <srl295>.: *would* be interesting to replace ICU's platform layer with uv :.
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03:52:37  <srl295>tjfontaine: work in progress PR coming up for execpath
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03:54:47  <srl295>jgi: tjfontaine: and fyi trevnorris: https://github.com/srl295/node/pull/22 - uses execpath. Very rough and debuggy.
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18:06:20  <jgi>chrisdickinson: good morning!
18:06:24  <jgi>chrisdickinson: are you around?
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19:11:27  <jgi>srl295: good morning!
19:11:32  <jgi>srl295: you around?
19:11:51  <chrisdickinson>morning!
19:12:55  <jgi>chrisdickinson: did you see my comment here: https://github.com/joyent/node/pull/8904#issuecomment-67599605 about certs?
19:13:00  <chrisdickinson>yes
19:13:12  <chrisdickinson>jgi: the reason I didn't add all certs back was that it was easy to verify that mozilla had removed the 1024 bit certs for a certain reason
19:13:37  <chrisdickinson>(i.e., they had a statement of intent there)
19:13:45  <chrisdickinson>& the only 1024 cert I didn't add back was one that I couldn't manually verify
19:14:00  <chrisdickinson>granted that might just be paranoia on my part
19:14:15  <chrisdickinson>(going to respond in-issue as well)
19:15:42  <jgi>chrisdickinson: I mean is it safe to not put back the non 1024 bits certs that we removed?
19:16:47  <chrisdickinson>jgi: the problem is I don't know why those were removed, and if they were removed because they were revoked, it could be unsafe to put them back
19:17:27  <jgi>chrisdickinson: right, I also don’t know why they’ve been removed, but I think it would be helpful to find out. indutny, you around?
19:17:49  <chrisdickinson>it would indeed be good to find out
19:18:06  <chrisdickinson>this PR was just to fix the initial issue -- that 1024 bit certs had been dropped by mozilla
19:19:10  <jgi>chrisdickinson: ok
19:20:04  <srl295>Jgi meal now- what's up and I'll reply a little later?
19:20:36  <chrisdickinson>(I was also under the impression that we were going to cut the release yesterday afternoon so it felt like there was a little time pressure there)
19:20:52  <chrisdickinson>(I might have been mistaken there though!)
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19:22:21  <jgi>chrisdickinson: yes, I’m not questioning what you did at all, I’m sorry if that’s how It came out :(
19:22:46  <jgi>chrisdickinson: I’d just rather not leave any stone unturned to avoid issues with the next stable release :)
19:23:01  <chrisdickinson>oh, not at all! i just wanted to explain the reasoning behind just adding the 1024 certs & not looking into the others
19:23:09  <jgi>chrisdickinson: ok excellent :)
19:23:29  <srl295>^ jgi
19:24:40  <jgi>srl295: basically I wanted to discuss our workflow for 0.11.15 and beyond. I would suggest to land https://github.com/joyent/node/pull/8719 asap (of course only after it’s been reviewed thoroughly and we agree that it’s good), and then submit PRs on joyent/node instead of on your fork
19:24:52  <jgi>srl295: We could then put issues and PRs in milestones
19:25:00  <jgi>srl295: and better track what needs to be done when
19:25:42  <jgi>srl295: also, I wouldn’t want https://github.com/joyent/node/pull/8719 to grow too much, otherwise we’ll keep fixing it and it will become more and more difficult to make progress
19:25:46  <jgi>srl295: what do you think?
19:27:23  <jgi>chrisdickinson: English not being my native language, it is sometimes difficult for me not to sound rude or awkward sometimes, I apologize in advance if that ever happens :)
19:29:24  <chrisdickinson>no worries! sorry if i came off more brusquely than I intended -- was kind of rushing through writing those sentences.
19:30:57  <jgi>chrisdickinson: not at all, no worries :)
19:38:05  <srl295>I'm ready for 8719 to go in. jgi
19:38:22  <jgi>srl295: ok awesome, I’m doing a review of the latest changes right now
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20:10:48  <jgi>srl295: done with the review, launched jobs on Jenkins to test it: http://jenkins.nodejs.org/job/nodejs-julien-windows/58/ and http://jenkins.nodejs.org/job/nodejs-julien/216/
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21:06:40  <MI6>joyent/node: Jackson Tian v0.12 * 890baa0 : doc: add details for http res/req end callback - http://git.io/hvqXhg
21:12:33  <srl295>jgi: I'm totally fine to use joyent PR's. The issue with some of these changes is managing the ordering of them.
21:13:18  <srl295>And if there's a time crunch keeping say 8719 merge able, vs other branches with experimental stuff.
21:13:30  <srl295>I'm pretty new at dcvs still though
21:13:53  <srl295>For other intl related PRs I have made separate joyent PRs
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21:14:53  <srl295>So, willing to adjust workflow as needed!
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21:24:37  <jgi>srl295: cool, I think that when 8719 gets merged, we should be able to have a better workflow
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21:30:46  <srl295>jgi: sure. 8719 is kind of one feature. Also, in srl295 I can assign issues to myself. Speaking pull request can you send one for the windows download-icu if convenient? Away from shell prompt but I could merge
21:31:18  <srl295>Once 8719 lands I'll open separate issues in joyent/node
21:33:10  <jgi>srl295: I don’t think having donwload-icu for the windows build is a priority, as currently donwload-all == download-icu. I just wanted to make sure we at least create an issue for it.
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21:47:26  <jgi>srl295: lunch time, I’ll be back in around 30-45 minutes
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23:29:05  <MI6>joyent/node: Trevor Norris merge-review2 * fdba3aa : Merge branch 'v0.10' into merge-review2 - http://git.io/0mpaoA
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23:35:40  <jgi>trevnorris: i saw your comment here: https://github.com/joyent/node/commit/0d051238be2e07e671d7d9f4f444e0cc1efadf1b#commitcomment-9050365, but the comment doesn’t actually appear, does it mean you deleted it and it’s not relevant anymore?
23:36:00  <jgi>trevnorris: the comment is about the icu_config.gypi file in v0.10: “This file should now be ignored by .gitignore in v0.10. Make sure you're up to date w/ the latest, and remove this file from the commit.”
23:44:53  <MI6>joyent/node: Julien Gilli v0.10 * 78db74d : timers: don't close interval timers when unrefd - http://git.io/H44WfQ
23:51:19  <srl295>jgi: I think icuconfg was accidentally checked into .10 then reverted.
23:52:52  <jgi>srl295: yes, but icu_config.gypi is still in the .gitignore file, and it seems that trevnorris wants to remove this entry from .gitignore. But since I can’t see the comment on GitHub anymore, I wonder if it’s because he deleted the comment (because maybe he thinks that’s not a good idea anymore) or for another reason.
23:55:38  <srl295>jgi ok. If you don't need anything specific I'll check in later. Didn't see any further discussion in 8719
23:56:52  <jgi>srl295: yep, and I’d like to have trevnorris’ and/or tjfontaine’s feedback before doing anything, as they have more context on that than me.
23:57:45  <srl295>Ok thanks. Ttyl