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18:53:37  <chrisdickinson>tjfontaine: hey, had one final question re: https://github.com/joyent/node/pull/8826 -- should I add a informational-only property that stores the currently queued number of writereqs to writestate?
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20:12:19  <jacob___>wasup folks
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20:14:15  <jacob___>i hear async io is fucked up in minuix
20:14:20  <jacob___>linux
20:14:25  <jacob___>true or not true
20:15:12  <bradleymeck>its f'ed up on everything
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20:15:47  <jacob___>i cant believe microsofy did something linux couldnt do
20:15:58  <bradleymeck>?
20:16:16  <jacob___>? ?
20:18:42  <bradleymeck>jacob___: you will need to explain what microsoft did that unix did not to this channel
20:19:11  <jacob___>readFile (overlapped structure), callbacks on io completion, etc
20:22:23  <jacob___>i read this
20:22:23  <jacob___>http://nikhilm.github.io/uvbook/introduction.html
20:22:37  <jacob___>so libuv is from nodejs originally?
20:22:43  <jacob___>coolz
20:23:32  <jacob___>is there a performance penalty or scalability penalty to pay with libuv since it is not REAAL async?
20:23:49  <jacob___>just asking
20:24:50  <bradleymeck>depends on app structure, there is some since all the IO scheduling is on different threads but all the scheduled IO is queued in parallel by the OS
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20:25:34  <bradleymeck>if I remember right even win32 keeps IOCP on separate threads
20:30:44  <jacob___>IOCP? sorry i am talking about overlapped reading and writing and completionports
20:30:55  <jacob___>are you saying these are fake?
20:31:25  <saghul>jacob___: file i/o is currently ran on a thread pool
20:31:33  <saghul>network I/O is done using IOCP
20:31:46  <jacob___>in windows it is a thread pool?
20:31:54  <jacob___>some kernal thread pool?
20:32:17  <jacob___>i am talking about windows
20:32:27  <jacob___>i thought it was not fake (async IO)
20:33:14  <jacob___>OS functions in windows are somehow facilitated with threading so it s blocking but async in windows is thread based?
20:33:22  <saghul>jacob___: to clarify: libuv does blockign file i/o in a thread pool inside libuv
20:33:35  <jacob___>yeah i know that
20:33:44  <jacob___>but i answered your question
20:33:58  <saghul>ah, you mean inside windows itself?
20:34:03  <jacob___>"Oui ya des arabes et des berbère aussi"
20:34:10  <jacob___>^^ your quote
20:34:15  <jacob___>oh shit
20:34:25  <jacob___> you will need to explain what microsoft did that unix did not to this channel
20:34:32  <jacob___>^^ your quote
20:34:53  <saghul>?
20:34:59  <jacob___>so as in "ms windows is real async and unix cand tdo that yet?"
20:35:08  <jacob___>true or false sattement ^^^
20:35:15  <jacob___>statement
20:35:39  <saghul>the answer is a bit more involved than a yes / no, I'm afraid :-)
20:36:14  <saghul>also, I didn't write those docs, so I'm not sure what it's written there
20:36:26  <saghul>that was written by a thrid party
20:37:40  <saghul>sorry, gtg!
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21:09:19  <alexism>in https://github.com/libuv/leps/pull/2 (lep: request all the things), uv_stream_poll is meant to replace uv_read/uv_write + callbacks ? I don't see how uv_stream_poll would be implemented using IOCP on windows
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21:22:56  <trevnorris>indutny: ping
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21:46:40  <piscisaureus>trevnorris: indutny said he would be in transit
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21:46:46  <trevnorris>thanks
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22:16:10  <cjihrig>do small grammar/styling fixes in documentation count as style changes that aren't accepted?
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22:52:21  <Defiler>tjfontaine: Sorry to bother you in a random channel, but I'm trying to use lldb-v8 to track down a problem. With node 0.10.33 I get this error when loading it: https://gist.github.com/wilson/42654a5943406c9b54cb Do I need to update something perhaps?
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23:02:57  <jgi>Defiler: did you load the module before hitting a breakpoint?
23:03:02  <jgi>Defiler: or before crashing?
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23:27:44  <Defiler>jgi: I am working with a core dump generated via 'gcore', no breakpoints
23:28:19  <Defiler>(working toward being able to compare two core dumps and find memory that isn't being released etc)
23:28:36  <MI6>joyent/node: pkcs v0.10 * 8120015 : doc: clearer log messages in net code samples - http://git.io/B7AfIA
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23:33:01  <jgi>Defiler: let me try to load the module with node build from the tip of the v0.10 branch
23:33:06  <jgi>built
23:35:55  <Defiler>Thank you very much; I'm pretty new to v8 so I could have some silly config problem as well, who knows
23:42:16  <jgi>Defiler: I can’t get it to work, although I used it for a while successfully, I don’t have time to investigate more, but I suggest filing an issue here: https://github.com/tjfontaine/lldb-v8/issues, and I’ll do my best to take a look at it soon
23:44:36  <Defiler>jgi: Thanks, just knowing that it fails for someone else is already helpful
23:45:01  <jgi>Defiler: yep, thanks for reporting that
23:45:58  <Defiler>I'm the newest guy on the Node.js team at New Relic, so I am trying to get up to speed on v8 debugging and profiling etc
23:46:13  <jgi>Defiler: in the meantime, you could try using SmartOS and mdb.
23:46:17  <jgi>Defiler: cool, awesome :)
23:46:32  <Defiler>Hah, yes; in fact that is the next thing on my list to try
23:47:08  <jgi>Defiler: I also created a nodeschool workshop to learn how to do postmortem debugging: https://github.com/joyent/node-debug-school
23:47:25  <Defiler>Oh, handy; I will follow this
23:47:28  <jgi>Defiler: it’s still rough around the edges, but it would be great if you try it!
23:47:41  <rendar>Defiler, what is gcore?
23:48:07  <jgi>Defiler: it’s more or less an interactive version of this great tutorial for mdb and Node.js: https://www.joyent.com/blog/mdb-and-node-js
23:48:56  <jgi>rendar: it generates core files for running processes
23:50:31  <rendar>jgi, i see
23:50:40  <rendar>jgi, isn't that part of the gnu tools?
23:52:05  <Defiler>rendar: it's a tool for Mac OS to get it to generate a core file for a running process
23:52:09  <jgi>rendar: yes
23:52:13  <rendar>ok
23:52:20  <Defiler>e.g. http://osxbook.com/book/bonus/chapter8/core/
23:52:22  <rendar>Defiler, you mean a tool for unix :)
23:52:32  <Defiler>well yes but often there are other tools on other platforms
23:52:40  <Defiler>whereas for Mac OS gcore is the only thing I'm aware of :)
23:52:48  <rendar>oh, i see
23:53:27  <jgi>Defiler: you might also want to try to load a core file generated by (ulimit -c unlimited; node -e ‘process.abort()’)
23:53:30  <Defiler>(I'm open to better approaches though; mostly I want to take two different 'runs' of a test app and compare their states)
23:53:42  <Defiler>oh yes I should do that too
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23:53:56  <rendar>what about dtrace? many friends of mine say its awesome
23:53:59  <jgi>Defiler: I’m not sure how gcore is implemented, and how it could mess up with the way lldb loads core files
23:54:33  <Defiler>jgi: it seems like it sets up a signal handler and then SIGSTOPs the process but I've only looked at the shallowest levels. I'll see what process.abort gives me
23:55:09  <jgi>Defiler: I wasn’t successful in loading the module with a core file generated with the command I just pasted, but YMMV
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