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00:15:24  <jgi>chrisdickinson: https://github.com/joyent/node/pull/8816 and https://github.com/joyent/libuv/pull/1593
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02:53:45  <jgi>octetcloud: I left a few comments at https://github.com/joyent/node/pull/8642
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12:07:48  <trevnorris>indutny: ping
12:07:53  <indutny>pong
12:07:56  <indutny>ohai
12:08:38  <indutny>trevnorris: sup?
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12:09:23  <trevnorris>indutny: hey. wanted to know if you could give me a summary of the most important changes to crypto and tls in v0.11/12
12:09:31  <indutny>oh
12:09:40  <indutny>it is TLSWrap
12:09:44  <indutny>RSA encrypt/decrypt
12:09:47  <indutny>and ECDHE, I guess
12:09:54  <indutny>there could be also some streams stuff
12:10:01  <indutny>but I'm not sure if it has landed in v0.10
12:10:02  <indutny>or v0.12
12:10:04  <indutny>let me check
12:10:17  <indutny>ok, it was v0.10
12:10:32  <indutny>also some GCM stuff
12:10:40  <indutny>which is now supported on a good level
12:11:02  <indutny>custom pbkdf2 digest methods
12:11:09  <indutny>engine support
12:11:24  <indutny>passphrase support
12:11:55  <indutny>yeah
12:11:59  <indutny>and tls:
12:12:05  <indutny>checkServerIdentity option
12:12:08  <indutny>OCSP
12:12:38  <indutny>dynamic record sizing API
12:12:45  <indutny>EC ciphers
12:13:27  <indutny>DH params
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12:14:18  <indutny>async newSession/loadSession
12:14:25  <indutny>async sni may be?
12:14:33  <indutny>trevnorris: I think that should be it
12:14:38  <indutny>trevnorris: why do you need to know? :)
12:14:58  <trevnorris>indutny: awesomeness. thanks. because i'm giving a talk on what's changed since v0.10 today.
12:15:05  <indutny>aaah
12:15:15  <trevnorris>and there's a massive number of commits to sort through.
12:15:19  <indutny>hahah :)
12:15:19  <indutny>yeah
12:15:21  <indutny>lots of changes
12:17:20  <indutny>trevnorris: should we land AL thing?
12:17:28  <indutny>it seems to be ready, and everyone are fine with it
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12:20:50  <trevnorris>I do mention --enable-ssl{2,3} (even though it did also land in v0.10) but I thought it was worth mentioning.
12:26:32  <trevnorris>indutny: okay. hope tjfontaine can forgive me, but have 3 sign-offs and all tests are passing.
12:26:36  <trevnorris>i'm going to merge it.
12:26:46  <indutny>yaaaay!
12:26:47  <indutny>:D
12:26:51  <txdv>0.12 release notes?
12:31:21  <trevnorris>indutny: is AlexisMocha orangemocha on github?
12:31:44  <trevnorris>nm. got it
12:35:50  <indutny>yes
12:35:52  <indutny>sorry
12:35:55  <indutny>was afk
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12:57:58  <txdv>trevnorris: take a look at #node.js
12:58:32  <trevnorris>thanks. it's been taken care of. :)
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13:09:48  <MI6>joyent/node: Trevor Norris v0.12 * 709fc16 : async-wrap: add event hooks (+8 more commits) - http://git.io/QXnczg
13:11:03  <trevnorris>holy crap. it's finally in.
13:14:02  <saghul>woot!
13:14:13  <cjihrig>nice!
13:15:42  <trevnorris>and... it is done.
13:15:48  <trevnorris>thanks everyone for the help/reviews.
13:16:18  <txdv>it has 3k lines deletion
13:16:46  <txdv>how does it feel to delete javascript?
13:21:00  <trevnorris>txdv: being that was a massive user API implementation that took me almost a month to figure out, I don't care anymore. :P
13:21:10  <trevnorris>it's nice to just have it done and out of my way.
13:21:28  <trevnorris>the original original PR to introduce AL was opened Sept 2013.
13:22:38  <txdv>sounds like every libuv pull request i make
13:23:07  <trevnorris>haha
13:23:21  <txdv>not that the patches are huge
13:32:22  <AlexisMocha>great! finally getting close to 0.12
13:35:29  <MI6>joyent/node: Trevor Norris v0.12 * fe6d5be : uv: float patch to revert tty breakage - http://git.io/ZNZ2TQ
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18:30:04  <chrisdickinson>hey folks: could I get someone to look at https://github.com/joyent/node/pull/8826 (for v0.12) and https://github.com/joyent/node/pull/8768 (for v0.10)?
18:30:15  <chrisdickinson>(the latter may be ready to be merged)
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18:41:57  <tjfontaine>chrisdickinson: can we really change that for v0.10?
18:42:22  <chrisdickinson>the forwarding of socket.end's callback?
18:42:43  <tjfontaine>yes
18:42:50  <chrisdickinson>it only changes behavior if someone has specified an encoding, and is a bugfix for https://github.com/joyent/node/issues/8759
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18:43:24  <tjfontaine>it's also an api change though
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18:43:30  <tjfontaine>which we don't generally do for stable releases
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18:44:42  <chrisdickinson>it's an additive change -- nothing that works now will break because of the addition
18:45:18  <tjfontaine>even purely additive changes can't happen, how can I write correct code for v0.10 in light of the change?
18:45:21  <chrisdickinson>& the lack of the forwarded callback strikes me as an oversight in implementing streams (a bug)
18:45:44  <tjfontaine>it's totally a bug, and it should be fixed before v0.12
18:45:52  <tjfontaine>the forwarding of the cb
18:45:59  <tjfontaine>and the posters original bug is definitely a bug
18:46:10  <tjfontaine>the question is if this can only be fixed with an API change in a stable
18:49:27  <tjfontaine>reading more of our existing documentation on the interface
18:51:47  <chrisdickinson>hm, it definitely strikes me as something we've said should work (via the writable stream api docs) that currently doesn't work as expected
18:52:52  <chrisdickinson>it does change the API, but to match what we've said in the streams doc -- and only in a way that is strictly backwards compatible
18:53:14  <tjfontaine>ya I know -- we suck.
18:53:18  <chrisdickinson>on the other hand, it's also not implemented for http writable streams, so that would have to be done
18:54:33  <chrisdickinson>& this might be a stretch, but is it possible that the "end" event doesn't mean what we want it to mean?
18:54:51  <tjfontaine>have you met node.js?
18:54:58  <tjfontaine>hardly anything means what we want it to mean :)
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19:03:53  <tjfontaine>chrisdickinson: I'm going to comment on the PR with my thoughts
19:04:05  <chrisdickinson>haha
19:04:21  <chrisdickinson>thanks!
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19:04:45  <tjfontaine>tl;dr -- I dont think we can fix this for v0.10, but instead update the documentation explaining that the portable way to known when this cb would have been fired is to listen for the finish event
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20:07:10  <chrisdickinson>where do we pull openssl from?
20:08:50  <chrisdickinson>tjfontaine: also, how would you feel about completely eliminating bufferLength in favor of checking for `if (stream._writev && entry && entry.next) {`?
20:09:12  <chrisdickinson>(it seems like tracking less parallel state would be better/safer in the long run)
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20:55:04  <txdv>node again leaking into libuv
20:56:10  <txdv>get off my lawn!
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21:04:49  <cjihrig>tjfontaine: ping
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21:22:34  <creationix>txdv: I can leak some luvit on here if you want. Just released v0.5.2 of luvi https://github.com/luvit/luvi/blob/master/CHANGELOG.md#v052
21:22:36  <creationix>;)
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21:28:14  <txdv>luvit bro
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22:05:16  <tjfontaine>cjihrig: pong
22:05:43  <tjfontaine>chrisdickinson: I'd be fine for the check there being htat, but it would probably be nice to have a way to know the queue depth, and potentially even buffer size
22:05:52  <tjfontaine>chrisdickinson: from an accounting perspective
22:06:16  <cjihrig>tjfontaine: i put my thoughts into an issue since my original ping - https://github.com/joyent/node/issues/8829
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22:06:22  <chrisdickinson>the # of bytes available is actually potentially sort of expensive to compute, due to encoding
22:06:24  <tjfontaine>cjihrig: thanks
22:06:26  <chrisdickinson>s/available/buffered/g
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22:06:47  <tjfontaine>chrisdickinson: agreed, whcih is why it's not perfect, but .length is a fine approximation
22:06:59  <tjfontaine>chrisdickinson: if properly documented
22:07:06  <tjfontaine>whcih right now, it's not documented at all
22:07:11  <tjfontaine>god I can't type
22:07:23  <chrisdickinson>err, `.length` as in `readableState.length`?
22:07:41  <tjfontaine>yes, isn't that what we were referring to?
22:08:24  <chrisdickinson>not here, no -- this is on the writableState side, which has no `.length` equivalent
22:08:56  <tjfontaine>it should absolutely grow it :)
22:09:00  <chrisdickinson>I was removing `.bufferLength` (which I added to emulate `.buffer.length`)
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22:09:21  <tjfontaine>right, but knowing the queue depth there is also important, in fact call it that
22:09:55  <tjfontaine>we keep a certain amount of .length around in some form for an hwm though, right?
22:10:31  <chrisdickinson>ah, there we go, yes
22:11:29  <chrisdickinson>it doesn't represent the number of bytes in the buffer, it represents the number of bytes in the buffer + whatever bytes have been sent to _write{v}
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22:39:21  <jgi>tjfontaine: did you have some time to look into this: https://github.com/joyent/node/pull/8816?
22:39:29  <jgi>tjfontaine: it fixes the build on SmartOS
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22:42:21  <bradleymeck>indutny: have you seen https://sourceware.org/gdb/onlinedocs/gdb/Declarations.html ?
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23:01:48  <indutny>bradleymeck: yeah
23:02:13  <chrisdickinson>tjfontaine: sorry, went off on a github issue safari; state.length exists on writableState, we just no longer keep track of the number of writereqs explicitly -- is that adequate, or do we want to track that as an informational property?
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