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00:35:19  <trevnorris>saghul: I think something similar would work, but simpler than the GCD API.
00:35:31  <trevnorris>going to prototype it out in libnub and see what I can do.
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07:43:46  <saghul>trevnorris: kewl!
07:43:51  <saghul>felipealmeida: hey
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10:32:27  <MI6>joyent/libuv: saghul created branch irc - http://git.io/YkUNDg
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11:11:48  <libev>how dare you
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11:24:01  <saghul>libev: LoL
11:24:49  <libev>saghul: you think this is a game?
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11:33:45  <txdv>2 new nicks
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13:34:17  <felipealmeida>saghul: hey
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14:03:08  <saghul>felipealmeida: hey!
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14:04:23  <felipealmeida>saghul: we have tests that test recursive use of the mainloop
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14:06:31  <saghul>felipealmeida: who is we? (sorry, forgot it!)
14:06:38  <felipealmeida>sorry, EFL
14:08:08  <txdv>i call him the recursive uv_run guy
14:08:23  <saghul>well, we never actually planned to add support for it. TBH I'm not 100% sure what the use case is
14:08:49  <txdv>felipealmeida: can you explain why EFL needs it?
14:09:27  <felipealmeida>txdv: I have to check, but this allows giving chance for events to be handled without returning from the function
14:10:23  <txdv>wait what
14:10:31  <saghul>felipealmeida: from the same thread?
14:10:50  <txdv>I don't understand
14:11:09  <felipealmeida>yess
14:11:23  <felipealmeida>like, I add a few timers and stuff, I want to still do things
14:11:36  <felipealmeida>but I want to give chance to run a few events from the loop
14:11:44  <felipealmeida>I can call uv_run
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14:12:03  <saghul>if you are running in the loop thread you are in an event handler already
14:12:17  <saghul>unless you are using uv_run with ONCE or NOWAIT yourself
14:12:23  <felipealmeida>saghul: yes, that's what I mean with recursive
14:12:31  <felipealmeida>for example
14:12:35  <txdv>why would you want to give it a 'chance to run a few events'?
14:12:40  <txdv>Is there a specific reason for this?
14:12:59  <felipealmeida>txdv: well, imagine this scenario
14:13:05  <felipealmeida>I'm inside a callback for a click event
14:13:10  <felipealmeida>that comes from the loop event
14:13:22  <felipealmeida>I want it to receive data from a socket
14:13:24  <saghul>I don't think we'll make uv_run recursive, but you should be able to get your thing going with this proposed APIs: https://github.com/libuv/leps/pull/3
14:13:42  <felipealmeida>I can ask it to read data assynchronously
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14:14:10  <felipealmeida>and then do uv_run, when uv_run returns (because my async call calls uv_stop)
14:14:14  <felipealmeida>I can handle the data that was read
14:14:19  <felipealmeida>and return from the click callback
14:14:31  <felipealmeida>not the most useful example, but
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14:15:05  <felipealmeida>saghul: let me see it
14:15:09  <txdv>that scenario
14:15:17  <txdv>i don't really comprehend it
14:15:41  <txdv>sounds like you want a nice blocking function to use in that click event handler
14:15:50  <felipealmeida>txdv: I can't block
14:15:51  <txdv>so you don't have to fight with C callbacks
14:16:03  <saghul>effectively you are
14:16:09  <felipealmeida>not effectively
14:16:12  <felipealmeida>I'm running uv_run
14:16:16  <felipealmeida>all events are going to be handled
14:16:22  <felipealmeida>and my screen will get updates
14:16:30  <saghul>if there are X events queued and you run another uv_run you'd block the current event handler and run others
14:16:45  <felipealmeida>yes, the current would be blocked
14:16:47  <felipealmeida>but only it
14:16:48  <txdv>the socket receive will happen as well, regardless whether you have a recursive uv_Run
14:16:55  <felipealmeida>if I call a block recv, I'll block everything
14:17:37  <saghul>why do you need to "wait" for that read from the click handler?
14:17:47  <felipealmeida>well, I dont _have_ to
14:17:52  <felipealmeida>but it is convenient
14:18:10  <felipealmeida>and it is a feature that EFL mainloop already has
14:18:21  <felipealmeida>so removing it is a API-breaking change
14:18:43  <txdv>Can you show us a code example
14:18:46  <txdv>With that feature
14:18:51  <txdv>where it is useful
14:19:10  <felipealmeida>txdv: I can show a test, let me search if I find it used anywhere else
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14:21:48  <felipealmeida>yeah, well, I can't find one example
14:21:54  <felipealmeida>except testing
14:22:38  <saghul>then maybe it's not that important :-)
14:22:41  <felipealmeida>in Boost.Asio I have used this technicque a few times
14:22:53  <saghul>Qt also supports it IIRC
14:23:11  <felipealmeida>unfortunately I can't break EFL's API
14:23:48  <felipealmeida>and if Qt also supports, if libuv can be integrated with other UIs loops
14:23:59  <felipealmeida>this is probably important for libuv
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14:24:06  <txdv>please give me a test, i don't fully understand what you are trying to describe
14:24:17  <txdv>with an example i might have the immediate AHA effect!
14:24:29  <felipealmeida>ok, just a moment
14:26:44  <felipealmeida>ecore_test_ecore_main_loop_event_recursive in http://bit.ly/12n0s08
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14:43:58  <saghul>felipealmeida: I'd say it's best if you make your case as a LEP
14:49:53  <felipealmeida>sorry, what's LEP?
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14:57:03  <saghul>felipealmeida: sorry, should have pasted the link: https://github.com/libuv/leps
14:58:51  <felipealmeida>saghul: thanks
15:02:46  <felipealmeida>saghul: you'd say making uv_run recursive is a big task?
15:06:58  <saghul>felipealmeida: yes, with the new proposed design maybe easier, but we don't know yet
15:07:49  <felipealmeida>the backend proposal?
15:07:59  <felipealmeida>backend_poll
15:08:45  <saghul>yes
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15:22:37  <txdv>thats a freaking big example
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15:29:48  <txdv>felipealmeida: does that second call block?
15:29:54  <txdv>while other events are still triggered?
15:31:46  <txdv>felipealmeida: ?
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15:42:55  <felipealmeida>txdv: actually it is multiple tests
15:42:58  <felipealmeida>but the example is just the recursive part
15:43:02  <felipealmeida>the others are parts of other tests
15:43:10  <felipealmeida>the test is just ecore_test_ecore_main_loop_event_recursive
15:43:13  <felipealmeida>which calls an event inside ecore_main_loop_begin
15:43:23  <felipealmeida>and that event's callback also calls ecore_main_loop_begin
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15:48:59  <txdv>yeah felipealmeida I got that
15:49:52  <txdv>does ubuntu not have enlightenment packages anymore?
15:50:49  <txdv>it seriously doesn't
15:51:13  <txdv>felipealmeida: can you write down the specific output of that test
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15:57:04  <felipealmeida>txdv: there's a ppa I think
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15:57:27  <felipealmeida>I'll upload the output to pastie
15:58:22  <txdv>i wish that autogen shit would just install all dependencies instead of pointing me out that there is something missing
15:58:57  <txdv>"O you forgot to install 'check'" "Thanks for pointing that out" "O you forgot to install 'luajit'" ....
15:59:20  <txdv>felipealmeida: why are you so interested in efl?
15:59:29  <txdv>buisness or free time/
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16:27:50  <felipealmeida>txdv: http://pastie.org/9758458
16:28:27  <felipealmeida>txdv: the test is not outputting any log because it does ecore_init after initializing log
16:28:39  <felipealmeida>so you may not be able to reproduce this output
16:29:56  <felipealmeida>txdv: with logs inside the lib as well for the test http://pastie.org/9758462
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16:35:08  <txdv>I don't understand why the second This loop is designed to work on embedded systems all the way to large and powerful mutli-cpu workstations.
16:35:20  <txdv>i dont understand why the second loop_run doesn't block
16:35:43  <txdv>If it is recursive, it will not block and just process some events?
16:35:49  <txdv>but how is the timer after the second then executed?
16:39:24  <felipealmeida>txdv: yes, that's the whole idea of recursive
16:39:31  <felipealmeida>it will process events that are pending
16:39:43  <txdv>but not block?
16:39:47  <felipealmeida>it will block
16:39:58  <felipealmeida>the timer will then run when it expires
16:40:02  <felipealmeida>and will quit the loop
16:40:19  <felipealmeida>the one that is recursing
16:40:22  <txdv>because it is the only timer in that specific loop
16:40:40  <felipealmeida>it is the only event pending, so it will block until the timer fires
16:40:52  <felipealmeida>if there were other events, they would be handled as well
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16:41:04  <txdv>doesn't this approach build up the stack if we do it multiple times/
16:41:12  <felipealmeida>txdv: yes
16:41:52  <felipealmeida>just as much as recursing happens
16:42:06  <txdv>what if i do that 2 times
16:42:21  <felipealmeida>uv_run inside uv_run inside uv_run?
16:42:26  <txdv>yeah
16:42:35  <felipealmeida>all functions will be called from the third uv_run normally
16:42:36  <txdv>and the middle on runs out of events
16:42:47  <felipealmeida>they are all the same
16:42:49  <felipealmeida>in this case
16:42:55  <felipealmeida>the same event loop
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20:18:41  <felipealmeida>hello, I'm getting crashses after uv_close
20:18:49  <felipealmeida>in a uv_poll_t
20:18:52  <felipealmeida>any ideas?
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20:25:20  <felipealmeida>it seems close_cb = 0x4
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20:27:31  <felipealmeida>ok, my fault
20:33:34  <creationix>saghul: the docs for uv_fs_mkdtemp are lacking. They don’t tell you that req.path is where the result will end up. I had to read the unit tests to figure that out.
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21:12:37  <Ralith>Is there a changelog for 1.0.1?
21:12:53  <Ralith>nvm, found it
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21:21:32  <trevnorris>tjfontaine: ping
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21:24:53  <tjfontaine>trevnorris: are you able to join the call at 2?
21:25:20  <tjfontaine>also chrisdickinson you as well
21:25:22  <trevnorris>tjfontaine: don't have one on my calendar. but sure.
21:25:33  <tjfontaine>lets see, I sent the email to ...
21:25:45  <chrisdickinson>yep!
21:26:08  <tjfontaine>trevnorris: @gmail
21:26:25  <tjfontaine>chrisdickinson: thanks
21:27:01  <trevnorris>tjfontaine: google's being stupid. I see your email, but it says "unable to retrieve the event from calendar"
21:27:23  <tjfontaine>sok, we'll just do a hangout
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22:00:55  <tjfontaine>attaching to wired, setting up the call now
22:02:20  <tjfontaine>https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/gr3hlzx4pqsn4lowipm6fi52nya
22:02:38  <tjfontaine>AlexisMocha, indutny, jgi, chrisdickinson, trevnorris ^^
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22:06:06  <tjfontaine>indutny, trevnorris -- ping
22:09:49  <seishun>is it private?
22:10:45  <tjfontaine>seishun: for right now yes
22:11:02  <seishun>gotcha
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22:20:48  <indutny>tjfontaine: oh gosh
22:20:49  <indutny>forgot about it
22:21:07  <indutny>tjfontaine: are you still on the line?
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22:59:11  <trevnorris>tjfontaine: don't know if it's hangouts or what, but can't connection
22:59:27  <trevnorris>tjfontaine: my vote is to go ahead w/ the upgrade
22:59:37  <tjfontaine>reconnecting
22:59:47  <tjfontaine>trevnorris: I hate technology
22:59:54  <trevnorris>yeah, seriously.
23:01:19  <tjfontaine>omg I hate this
23:01:32  <trevnorris>yup. joined and it kicked me immediately again.
23:01:36  <tjfontaine>jgi, indutny, AlexisMocha, chrisdickinson -- still trying to get back in
23:01:53  <trevnorris>indutny, chrisdickinson, AlexisMocha, tjfontaine: I'm +1 to upgrade
23:02:00  <trevnorris>(hangouts won't let me back on)
23:02:44  <tjfontaine>"Connection to the server lost, reconnecting..."
23:02:49  <tjfontaine>google is down
23:03:16  <AlexisMocha>we are still on
23:03:29  <tjfontaine>one second, trying again
23:03:53  <tjfontaine>we can do this in email if necessary
23:05:00  <tjfontaine>trevnorris: I'm back in
23:05:15  <trevnorris>tjfontaine: won't let me. don't know what's going on.
23:05:20  <tjfontaine>trevnorris: ok
23:06:25  <tjfontaine>omfg
23:06:44  <chrisdickinson>the internet!
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23:07:35  <chrisdickinson>yay internet.
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