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00:04:53  <mdev>and does it use epoll on linux?
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04:38:38  <mdev>that's awesome
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05:35:50  <Ralith>mdev: that's the point ^^
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05:43:36  <mdev>was libuv created for node.js or does node.js just use it?
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05:44:23  <mdev>also congrats on writing IOCP code for windows, that's not easy to do
05:44:33  <mdev>I don't believe even libevent uses IOCP on windows
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06:01:05  <othiym23>mdev: yeah, libuv was originally a replacement for libev / libeio created to allow Node to support Windows
06:01:17  <othiym23>but libuv has its own existence independent of Node now
06:02:33  <indutny>mdev: it is independent now
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06:02:33  <indutny>mdev: and has some projects that use it directly
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06:10:08  <mdev>yeah saw libuv-php and some C examples, good stuff
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07:26:49  <txdv>saghul: https://github.com/joyent/libuv/pull/1363
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10:19:17  <chrisdickinson>indutny: as a heads up, I was able to reproduce the readablestream with base64 encoding bug; I have a PR up against v0.10: https://github.com/joyent/node/pull/7917
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15:37:54  <kellabyte_>still some funky stuff going on with libuv on windows and IPC though, the benchmarks fail
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17:48:57  <kkaefer>can someone explain to me why the first command gets a report line like this: https://travis-ci.org/mapbox/mapbox-gl-native/builds/29527900#L766
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17:49:09  <kkaefer>but the second line just ends the script: https://travis-ci.org/mapbox/mapbox-gl-native/builds/29527900#L904?
17:49:32  <kkaefer>err
17:49:35  <kkaefer>wrong chat room
17:53:38  <chrisdickinson>morning all!
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18:11:14  <tjfontaine>morning chrisdickinson
18:16:58  <sinclair|work>hey tjfontaine
18:17:08  <tjfontaine>hey sinclair|work
18:18:27  <sinclair|work>tjfontaine: mate, has there been many recent developments with applications domains in libuv?
18:19:08  <tjfontaine>sinclair|work: in which regard?
18:20:11  <sinclair|work>oh, just being able to run multiple loops, with one loop per application domain, and each domain isolated from the other, with some marshalling bounrary ?
18:20:37  <sinclair|work>tjfontaine: i think that was the last thing we briefly spoke about :)
18:20:43  <sinclair|work>like...months ago
18:21:43  <tjfontaine>well, you can run multiple loops in the same process today -- but isolation is hard
18:22:32  <tjfontaine>what kind of isolation would you be looking for? 0 shared structures?
18:23:01  <sinclair|work>just each domain with its own set of memory and resources, basically, a full partitioning in process
18:23:42  <sinclair|work>tjfontaine: its maybe not really a "libuv" specific think, but i do remember you had some thoughts on it
18:24:53  <sinclair|work>reason i ask is i had been experimenting a bit in .net land, essentially leverage .net application domains to the same effect, appreciated that domains in that scene are not liable to be easily available in C,
18:25:26  <sinclair|work>tjfontaine: have just published this recently https://github.com/sinclairzx81/reactor
18:26:10  <sinclair|work>where in .net space, its fairly trivial to hook up a application domain, spawn a new loop in there, and then just event over .nets MarshalByRef remoting setup
18:28:31  <sinclair|work>i was curious if something similar was achievable in libuv land, something to tie in with nodejs somehow, just to allow to load up app domain / contexts where entire new loops were run concurrently in process
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18:29:57  <sinclair|work>tjfontaine: tbh, im not sure of the complexities of achieving that over V8 and such, i haven't really dug deep enough on v8 overall
18:30:14  <tjfontaine>sure, that's a neat pattern
18:30:46  <tjfontaine>I'm not sure you really need any extra support from libuv to work with .net app domains in this way
18:30:56  <tjfontaine>most of the structures are already isolated
18:31:48  <tjfontaine>locked up in the loop structure itself
18:32:34  <sinclair|work>tjfontaine: yeah, i think i was a bit mislead back when i originally asked, in .net, its the platform doing the partitioning, so, it wouldn't really be the responsibility of libuv to really achieve that, tho i am curious what implementations of libuv might be going down that road
18:33:22  <tjfontaine>well, the hard part is the idea of passing uv_handle_t's between loops, which maybe what we're talking about here
18:33:44  <sinclair|work>yeah, i think so
18:33:49  <tjfontaine>which you can actually do today with just a pipe between the loops and using the ipc mechanism
18:34:00  <tjfontaine>in the same process what you want is a way to do that wihtout the ipc
18:34:51  <tjfontaine>something like uv_handle_pass(newloop, handle)
18:35:31  <tjfontaine>and then have uv__<handletype>_disassociate
18:35:41  <tjfontaine>and uv__<handletype>_associate
18:37:27  <sinclair|work>tjfontaine: yeah, i suppose the characteristics is that with each new loop, you have a isolated memory pool that each loop is allowed to operate on. and yeah, between each loop/context/domain, some form of ipc that can be synchronized easily between two concurrent loops
18:39:00  <sinclair|work>tjfontaine: im yet to compare what the performance of ipc (in process) vs ipc over stdio or named pipes would be
18:39:06  <tjfontaine>just becareful when you say things like "isolate memory pool" :)
18:39:26  <sinclair|work>heh, yeah,
18:40:03  <sinclair|work>tjfontaine: do you know any platforms out there that are really trying to push this approach tho?
18:40:38  <sinclair|work>libuv seems to make all this possible, and kinda steers people in that direction a bit
18:44:06  <sinclair|work>tjfontaine: oh, i did have another question about windows and port sharing though libuv, might save that for another time tho, its super late :)
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18:48:34  <indutny>saghul: http://99designs.com/logo-design/contests/create-logo-libuv-project-395348?__login=1
18:48:35  <indutny>omg
18:48:58  <indutny>there are some nice logos here
18:49:03  <indutny>like http://99designs.com/logo-design/contests/create-logo-libuv-project-395348/entries/4
18:49:18  <indutny>or http://99designs.com/logo-design/contests/create-logo-libuv-project-395348/entries/3
18:49:28  <indutny>though, the last one is not really definitive
18:49:29  <tjfontaine>sinclair|work: I mean there's not a reason you couldn't do it with libuv, and then add the nicer interface later
18:49:47  <indutny>well, they are all kind of abstract
18:50:02  <tjfontaine>sinclair|work: anyway enjoy your sleep
18:50:09  <sinclair|work>tjfontaine: thanks mate :)
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18:51:00  <sinclair|work>indutny: i think i like the second one better :)
18:51:39  <sinclair|work>indutny: well, http://99designs.com/logo-design/contests/create-logo-libuv-project-395348/entries/3
18:51:43  <indutny>gotcha
18:51:46  <sinclair|work>simplicity for the win
18:51:53  <indutny>I think it'll open for votes soon
18:52:03  <indutny>we still need to get more designs
18:52:07  <indutny>to be able to select from them
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18:52:51  <kellabyte_>tjfontaine: yeah, I logged a GitHub issue about passing handles between loops so I can avoid the IPC stuff (which seems broken on windows right now). that would also be helpful in what you guys are talking about here?
18:54:27  <sinclair|work>indutny: hmm, i think the best designs are the ones that can be done in black and white, and still be visually recognizable
18:54:44  <indutny>sinclair|work: this makes sense
18:55:39  <sinclair|work>indutny: so the ones with gradients as a "piece" of the design not so great, but thats my opinion :)
18:55:47  * sinclair|workis not a designer
18:55:50  <indutny>well
18:55:58  <sinclair|work>indutny: it has to look good as a tattoo :P
18:56:04  <indutny>they doesn't look good to me either
18:56:13  <indutny>that's why I pasted here only two links
18:56:21  <indutny>the hexagon one is kind of good, actually
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18:56:30  <indutny>but I don't like that it links us to node
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19:46:55  <chrisdickinson>I kind of like the idea of a circular logo
19:47:24  <chrisdickinson>(which is to say, http://99designs.com/logo-design/contests/create-logo-libuv-project-395348/entries/3 jumps out at me)
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19:47:46  <chrisdickinson>but maybe something purely typographical would be cool too
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19:57:53  <Ralith>that is nice looking
19:58:02  <Ralith>wish they'd just show the logo straight rather than pasting it into all those photos though
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20:01:40  <Wraithan>especially since at some of the angles it became pixelated
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20:12:02  <indutny>chrisdickinson: yes
20:12:08  <indutny>chrisdickinson: I like the circle
20:12:18  <indutny>it looks like a designer has googled it after all :D
20:12:25  <indutny>or it is just a coincidence
20:12:26  <indutny>anyway
20:12:27  * indutny&
20:12:28  <LOUDBOT>SOMEBODY HELP I'M TRAPPED IN THE COMPUTER
20:12:29  <indutny>ttyl
20:12:34  <indutny>LOUDBOT: so sorry for you
20:12:34  <LOUDBOT>indutny: WHO IS SPSOEORND BY YUM BDARNS
20:13:11  <indutny>Wraithan: I think they would do it
20:13:20  <indutny>Wraithan: and we'll probably be able to ask them to do some changes in it
20:13:29  <indutny>after choosing the best design
20:14:25  <chrisdickinson>after poking around at v0.10 readable streams vs. v0.11 readable streams all last night, i have to say, i *really* like v0.11's streams
20:15:39  <chrisdickinson>(particularly how simple `flow` has become)
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20:42:23  <tjfontaine>chrisdickinson: quite. it should have just been what was added for streams in 0.10 :)
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20:56:22  <saghul>indutny: I like 9 and 3
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21:01:41  <saghul>I dislike basically every proposal with a capital L
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21:09:30  <piscisaureus>tjfontaine: indutny: I though that the new tracing.v8 api would support starting and stopping the profiler but it seems it isn't in. Just curious - what happened?
21:10:25  <tjfontaine>at the time the v8 part wasn't entirely finished, I only added the things that ben considered being done at the time -- that's all
21:11:23  <piscisaureus>tjfontaine: ok, that explains. Thanks
21:11:40  <tjfontaine>there's no reason it can't be added since the intent was to put it explicitly int he private spac
21:11:44  <tjfontaine>*space
21:11:49  <tjfontaine>which is then used by the userspace module
21:12:14  <piscisaureus>tjfontaine: it would be nice I guess, but let's not hold 0.12 waiting for it
21:12:28  <piscisaureus>I'll ask Ben if he wants to add it when I speak to him
21:12:31  <tjfontaine>that's the point, because it's private we aren't holding 0.12.0 for that
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21:13:50  <piscisaureus>tjfontaine: cool, thanks. all makes perfect sense
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23:24:29  <swaj>is it generally "acceptable" to use libuv helper functions and whatnot from node.js native addons? uv_dlopen(), uv_dlsym(), etc. are quite appealing to me :)
23:24:43  <swaj>to save myself some headaches from cross-platform fu
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23:38:57  <tjfontaine>swaj: you should use those for now
23:39:12  <tjfontaine>swaj: though of course that doesn't make them magically async :)
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23:58:53  <swaj>tjfontaine: not expecting them to be async... just for loading a pkcs#11 library :)
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23:59:57  <swaj>tjfontaine: you'd laugh at my silly macros for doing it now :)