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00:11:00  <tjfontaine>othiym23: you know ... if domain catching the error are a requirement, the constructor should require an error to be passed
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00:27:55  <othiym23>tjfontaine: you want to open that particular can of worms on the issue? ;)
00:28:44  <othiym23>tjfontaine: I'm not attached to any particular API for that stuff, but if we're choosing between reworking the domains API and yoinking domains out of core, I think you know which way I lean this week
00:30:38  <tjfontaine>ya, me too
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00:34:15  <othiym23>I'm trying to come up with a response to #7289 that's less useless than "well, you could probably do something like that, as long as you're not crossing threads with your CEF app AND you're very careful about not messing with libuv's run loop" but I don't think that's really answering dude's question
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00:52:56  <tjfontaine>othiym23: he wants *more* domains not less
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02:57:59  <othiym23>tjfontaine: that was #7294, and I just left a response: https://github.com/joyent/node/issues/7294#issuecomment-37495786
02:58:09  <othiym23>hope I didn't tread on core's toes there
02:58:17  <othiym23>but think I put it reasonably tactfully
02:59:05  <tjfontaine>was just reading it
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03:23:38  <tjfontaine>othiym23: part of me does wonder if domains could have been made to work for you
03:24:06  <tjfontaine>othiym23: set aside the fact that it basically fails spectacularly at error handling
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03:25:17  <othiym23>I really tried to make it work
03:25:21  <othiym23>and I almost got there
03:25:36  <othiym23>but trying to do error-handling *and* state propagation with domains made my brain go cross-eyed
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03:26:14  <tjfontaine>imagine if you will a world where they didn't do that at all
03:26:15  <othiym23>tjfontaine: and the way the domain stack works pretty much shoots any idea of state-propagation running within an error-tracing / -handling domain pointless
03:26:29  <othiym23>tjfontaine: you are describing my original proposal for CLS in core ;)
03:26:42  <tjfontaine>ya, I agree, I'm almost there
03:26:49  <othiym23>CLS was originally just a generalized version of domains, with the intent to rework domains to run as specialized CLS namespaces
03:27:44  <tjfontaine>I actually think there is a world where this might work
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03:28:10  <othiym23>I agree, and so did Isaac at one point, which is where all this came from
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05:32:56  <groundwater>tjfontaine that's a dangerous road you're walking down
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08:34:10  <bradleymeck>anyone know how windows code signing works with the build system?
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09:09:26  <indutny>hey people
09:09:29  <indutny>how are you?
09:10:36  <saghul>morning Fedor! alles goed here, you?
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09:20:46  <indutny>saghul: good :)
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15:21:41  <tjfontaine>morning folks
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15:28:07  <bradleymeck>morning
15:31:39  <tjfontaine>morning, I will respond to your issue -- thanks for filing it bradleymeck
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15:55:12  <indutny>call?
15:55:16  <indutny>call call call
15:55:21  <indutny>in 5 minutes
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15:57:27  <tjfontaine>yes
15:59:41  <tjfontaine>https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/calendar/dGpmb250YWluZUBub2RlanMub3Jn.7o3iugm5mbjqj81eb56fsoj118
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16:01:24  <tjfontaine>trevnorris, AlexisMocha
16:06:36  <indutny>trevnorris: heya
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16:21:56  <groundwater>venturebeat continues to deliver gold
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16:27:45  <tjfontaine>venturebeat or me? :P
16:27:56  <tjfontaine>groundwater: I think I deserve a kickback
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16:42:22  <indutny>tjfontaine: about 3.24
16:42:42  <indutny>do you want me to put my fixes into a separate commit?
16:43:17  <groundwater>tjfontaine depends, was this your line "When [node] gets more requests, it taps more threads to handle them all at the same time"
16:44:38  <tjfontaine>indutny: the v8 fixes?
16:44:41  <indutny>yes
16:44:43  <indutny>floating patches
16:44:54  <tjfontaine>yes a separate commit so it's easy to reapply
16:45:05  <tjfontaine>groundwater: no
16:45:09  <tjfontaine>it said that?
16:45:23  <indutny>ok
16:45:34  <groundwater>tjfontaine yup, pure gold
16:45:45  <tjfontaine>bah.
16:45:51  <tjfontaine>I somehow missed that comment
16:46:16  <tjfontaine>oh I see it, I thought for a moment they quoted me on that
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16:46:27  <groundwater>tjfontaine oh no, it's not a quote from you
16:46:33  <groundwater>haha
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16:56:33  <indutny>aha!
16:57:02  <indutny>ok, second try
16:57:03  <indutny>aha!
16:57:09  <indutny>well
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16:57:17  <MI6>joyent/node: Fedor Indutny master * 0c5a0ec : deps: allow allocations in gc epilogue/prologue (+3 more commits) - http://git.io/goniZQ
16:57:20  <indutny>yay! :)
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16:59:37  <tjfontaine>ut oh
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16:59:57  <tjfontaine>oh weakref broke
17:00:01  <indutny>oh
17:00:03  <indutny>shit
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17:11:44  <indutny>TooTallNate: hey man
17:11:52  <indutny>could you please take a look at weakref in node's master
17:12:01  <indutny>I think it has been broken by v8 update
17:12:05  <indutny>thanks
17:12:05  <indutny>:)
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17:22:16  <tjfontaine>heh
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17:25:02  <TooTallNate>indutny: maybe we should just pull the one from node-weak master branch
17:25:05  <TooTallNate>it uses nan
17:25:19  <TooTallNate>(though nan might need updating at this point, for v0.11.12)
17:25:31  <tjfontaine>this won't be a problem when we have the blessed addon layer
17:25:49  <tjfontaine>I thought we were already floating a weakref patch anyway
17:25:56  <tjfontaine>for the last time we broke it
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17:26:15  <bradleymeck>tjfontaine: I am mostly just concerned with the loading of .node files after some playing about, we have to load them from memory using a hand written linker :-/. Other minute things are people using templates with files like *.ejs and such that are not supported by the archive's require
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17:26:57  <tjfontaine>bradleymeck: they're using require('./foo.ejs') or fs.readFile()?
17:27:02  <TooTallNate>tjfontaine: ya, the node-weak in node master branch has deviated from the node-weak repo at this point
17:27:20  <tjfontaine>right ok
17:27:34  <bradleymeck>tjfontaine: no internally libs use fs.require(convention/viewname), geddy / sails
17:27:52  <bradleymeck>haven't checked it but I'm fairly sure hapi has something like this too
17:28:12  <bradleymeck>fs.readFile ... not require... T_T
17:28:23  <tjfontaine>bradleymeck: right ok -- this actually deserves a blessed mechanism in the form of something like Module.loadResource()
17:28:55  <bradleymeck>we have that in my patch but would head to expose this, ill check if any *require* streaming
17:29:07  <bradleymeck>would have* spelling today...
17:29:11  <tjfontaine>heh
17:29:35  <tjfontaine>we could fake up streaming, it's not really difficult -- node should have a MemoryStream anyway
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17:30:12  <tjfontaine>new MemoryStream(buffer) which inherits duplex
17:30:22  <bradleymeck>well streaming causes some odd things if you do it during require since it nextTicks, unsure if we could get sync streams to reduce some code
17:30:38  <bradleymeck>unsure we want that even, /thinks
17:30:54  <tjfontaine>well, I mean this Module.loadResource mechanism
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17:31:25  <tjfontaine>should just return a readonly MemoryStream when in archive mode, and an fs ReadStream in normal mode
17:31:35  <bradleymeck>i can make it so
17:32:12  <bradleymeck>require.loadResource or Module.loadResource? if Module, we will want the paths to always be absolute
17:32:56  <tjfontaine>well I want the module to be able to do relatively to itself, but not out of its own scope
17:33:11  <tjfontaine>relative to itself, or into a dependency module
17:34:26  <bradleymeck>so just make sure you can't loadResource outside of your current zip (if you are in one)
17:34:35  <bradleymeck>got it
17:34:52  <tjfontaine>or break out and up into a module "above" you
17:35:25  <bradleymeck>we are blocking requires outside of your archive right now
17:35:36  <bradleymeck>fs still works because that is kind of necessary
17:35:39  <tjfontaine>right I'm just saying it needs to apply to non-archive mode
17:35:56  <bradleymeck>tjfontaine: ok, ill do it on require then
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18:48:46  <bradleymeck>tjfontaine: we want this to just be a readable right? no write
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19:55:11  <hueniverse>tjfontaine: any luck with the good tests?
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20:44:23  <bradleymeck>tjfontaine: I'm going to say it is sane for the files in the zip (as they live in the directory) should not contain [/].[.]/
20:44:33  <bradleymeck>cause the fix to allow that is... not prety
20:47:34  <creationix>isaacs, where do I ask about doing queries against npm
20:48:38  <creationix>in particular I'm trying to figure out how to find updated packages given a list of names and versions
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20:51:27  <creationix>is the changes feed an option
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21:32:37  <creationix>actually, I think /-/all/since might do the trick
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