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| <MI6> | joyent/libuv: Alex Gaynor v0.10 * 47d98b6 : doc: Removed use of gendered pronouns - http://git.io/1ADWFw |
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| <MI6> | joyent/libuv: isaacs master * 5812e19 : Merge branch 'v0.10' (+1 more commits) - http://git.io/7MgnPQ |
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| <piscisaureus_> | ^-- Doc? |
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| <piscisaureus_> | code comments |
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| <isaacs> | piscisaureus_: and readme |
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| <piscisaureus_> | isaacs: https://github.com/joyent/libuv/commit/47d98b64c45db8335bf7e065351e385cae32323d ? |
| 00:46:25
| <piscisaureus_> | not seeing any |
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| <isaacs> | oh, it was just code coments, you're right |
| 00:46:36
| <piscisaureus_> | I |
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| <isaacs> | i was acting fast to prevent it from blowing up further into a whole big thing. |
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| <piscisaureus_> | of course this commit is harmless so that might have been the right call |
| 00:47:05
| <piscisaureus_> | however ... sigh |
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| <isaacs> | not "might have been". it absolutely was the right call. |
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| <isaacs> | there is nothing to be gained by picking fights over our right to use exclusionary gendered language in an open source project. |
| 00:47:34
| <isaacs> | it can only do harm. |
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| <isaacs> | to libuv, node, joyent, and strongloop, most directly. |
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| <piscisaureus_> | leonvv: it should. Are you using uv_pipe_open or uv_tcp_open? |
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| <MI6> | joyent/libuv: huxingyi v0.10 * da32344 : fs-event: fix invalid memory access - http://git.io/AfaiCQ |
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| <superjoe> | (not asking for help at this point, just sharing an amusing anecdote) |
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| <MI6> | joyent/libuv: Bert Belder master * f6c1a27 : Merge branch 'v0.10' (+2 more commits) - http://git.io/7VDCRA |
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| <indutny> | hey bnoordhuis |
| 08:15:25
| <indutny> | good morning |
| 08:23:02
| <bnoordhuis> | indutny: sup fedor? |
| 08:23:15
| <indutny> | everything is fine |
| 08:23:22
| <indutny> | I just see that you're on merging rave |
| 08:23:27
| <indutny> | mind landing a couple of fixes for v0.10? |
| 08:23:54
| <indutny> | https://github.com/joyent/node/pull/6604 |
| 08:23:55
| <indutny> | https://github.com/joyent/node/pull/6570 |
| 08:24:08
| <indutny> | and the same as last, but for master https://github.com/joyent/node/pull/6569 |
| 08:24:20
| <bnoordhuis> | are they all 10 lines or less? |
| 08:24:21
| <indutny> | first one is quite important |
| 08:24:44
| <indutny> | first it is |
| 08:24:45
| <indutny> | first |
| 08:24:48
| <indutny> | :) |
| 08:25:02
| <bnoordhuis> | i'll take a look |
| 08:25:27
| <bnoordhuis> | no test? |
| 08:25:35
| <indutny> | yeah, its hard to test |
| 08:25:41
| <indutny> | but I have an assertion |
| 08:26:31
| <bnoordhuis> | do you still need the this.pair.ssl !== null check in that case? |
| 08:27:22
| <bnoordhuis> | also, "In rare occasions" is prety vague. a more detailed description would be appreciated |
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| <indutny> | bnoordhuis: ok, I'll do my best |
| 08:30:43
| <indutny> | otherwise LGTY? |
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| <bnoordhuis> | indutny: one sec |
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| <indutny> | sure |
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| <bnoordhuis> | indutny: sorry, gotta run. my kids are in dire need of attention |
| 08:42:34
| <indutny> | np |
| 08:42:38
| <indutny> | see ya later |
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| <aranhoide> | are these gists known to be a good example of how to use OpenSSL on libuv? https://gist.github.com/roxlu/3999827 https://gist.github.com/roxlu/4000573 |
| 08:57:18
| <aranhoide> | can you recommend any other sources? async openssl is hard(er) |
| 08:58:02
| <aranhoide> | I saw this article that looks pretty complete, but it's using windows iocp's http://famellee.wordpress.com/2013/02/20/use-openssl-with-io-completion-port-and-certificate-signing/ |
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| <indutny> | aranhoide: heya |
| 09:02:21
| <indutny> | that's a bit selfish |
| 09:02:24
| <indutny> | but take a look at http://github.com/indutny/bud |
| 09:02:33
| <indutny> | specifically https://github.com/indutny/bud/blob/master/src/client.c |
| 09:02:51
| <indutny> | its a bit bigger and harder |
| 09:02:57
| <indutny> | but works too |
| 09:04:27
| <aranhoide> | indutny: I'll give it a look, thanks a lot! |
| 09:04:31
| <indutny> | np |
| 09:04:35
| <indutny> | you're welcome |
| 09:04:54
| <aranhoide> | what's a "TLS terminator" exactly? :) |
| 09:05:24
| <aranhoide> | I mean, what does bud do overall? is it just a TLS wrapper on libuv? |
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| <aranhoide> | indutny: I see something about redis, so it must have a wider scope. |
| 09:09:36
| <indutny> | oh |
| 09:09:48
| <indutny> | its a TLS server |
| 09:09:52
| <indutny> | proxying requests to non-TLS server |
| 09:09:55
| <indutny> | i.e. removing encryption |
| 09:10:03
| <indutny> | aranhoide: and ignore redis |
| 09:10:09
| <indutny> | its something that I'm going to remove |
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| <aranhoide> | oh nice |
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| <aranhoide> | that's libuv 11, right? (I know it's lame of me to ask, but I'm new at this) |
| 09:15:01
| <aranhoide> | 0.11 that is |
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| <aranhoide> | indutny: I see you set up no SSL lock callbacks. so I take it that all libuv callbacks get called in the same thread (even though libuv itself may spawn auxiliary ones) so no locking is necessary? |
| 09:41:26
| <indutny> | yeah, its one thread app |
| 09:41:43
| <indutny> | I'd strongly advise you from doing multithreaded TLS server |
| 09:41:52
| <indutny> | OpenSSL has a lot of internal locks |
| 09:42:15
| <indutny> | and performance would be much worse than in the same multi-process app |
| 09:42:35
| <aranhoide> | so is that a particular feature of your app, or does libuv always/most typically work like this? |
| 09:42:51
| <aranhoide> | yes, I'd very much prefer to avoid multiple threads |
| 09:47:18
| <aranhoide> | indutny: oh, so your app uses multiple processes? |
| 09:47:24
| <indutny> | yes |
| 09:47:34
| <indutny> | for both questions :) |
| 09:47:43
| <indutny> | usually libuv should be used like this |
| 09:47:52
| <indutny> | and I'm using multiple processes |
| 09:47:58
| <aranhoide> | thanks a lot, again |
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| <indutny> | np |
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| <aranhoide> | in this article ( http://www.lenholgate.com/blog/2002/11/using-openssl-with-asynchronous-sockets.html ), in the "A Potential for Optimization", the author mentions that there is some way to read from/write directly to the Bio data buffers, thus avoiding one copy. http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.comp.encryption.openssl.user/2659 suggests this might be tricky |
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| <aranhoide> | is this worth trying at all or does libuv require copying anyway? |
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| <indutny> | aranhoide: I use this technique |
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| <indutny> | aranhoide: bud is using my ringbuffer.c |
| 10:32:15
| <indutny> | and reading and writing directly to it |
| 10:32:25
| <aranhoide> | oh neat! |
| 10:32:25
| <indutny> | not that I read about it there |
| 10:32:27
| <indutny> | but anyway |
| 10:33:26
| <aranhoide> | so what prompted you to write bud / what do you plan to use it for? |
| 10:33:33
| <aranhoide> | any particular application in mind? |
| 10:35:58
| <indutny> | I know some people who needs it |
| 10:36:02
| <indutny> | including my company :) |
| 10:38:49
| <aranhoide> | what does your company do? shameless plugs welcome :) |
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| <aranhoide> | oh, you work at joyent? :) sorry for being obtuse |
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| <MI6> | nodejs-v0.10: #1629 UNSTABLE smartos-x64 (4/604) smartos-ia32 (4/604) linux-ia32 (1/604) osx-x64 (1/604) http://jenkins.nodejs.org/job/nodejs-v0.10/1629/ |
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| <aranhoide> | indutny: nice article about jitting! although so far it looks more like a batch compiler |
| 11:08:44
| <indutny> | aranhoide: haha |
| 11:08:50
| <indutny> | aranhoide: I work at voxer |
| 11:09:00
| <indutny> | we do voxing :) |
| 11:09:05
| <indutny> | and a lof ot TLS server |
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| <indutny> | servers* |
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| <aranhoide> | I see |
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| <indutny> | btw |
| 11:13:28
| <indutny> | does blog.indutny.com run on https for you/ |
| 11:13:29
| <indutny> | ? |
| 11:13:40
| <indutny> | if yes - it runs on bud :) |
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| 11:17:24
| <indutny> | and also spdy |
| 11:17:27
| <indutny> | but that's another topic |
| 11:19:47
| <aranhoide> | indutny: yes, it runs on https for me :) |
| 11:19:52
| <indutny> | great |
| 11:19:53
| <aranhoide> | nice |
| 11:19:55
| <indutny> | at least - it works |
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| <aranhoide> | if I only do networking (no files, signals, etc) and I have in the range of 100-200 symultaneous connections, does libuv have a speed advantage over select? or is it only really worth it with connections >1000 or so? |
| 12:14:39
| <aranhoide> | I know select() doesn't scale, but is it slower too for a small number of symultaneous connections? |
| 12:15:56
| <aranhoide> | (also, if I worry especially about performance in linux) |
| 12:21:06
| <aranhoide> | *simultaneous even |
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| <MI6> | joyent/node: Yazhong Liu v0.10 * fcfaa39 : doc: net: fix typo in example code - http://git.io/HPFoyA |
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| <bnoordhuis> | indutny: ping. still around? |
| 13:20:12
| <MI6> | nodejs-v0.10: #1630 UNSTABLE smartos-x64 (5/604) smartos-ia32 (4/604) osx-x64 (1/604) http://jenkins.nodejs.org/job/nodejs-v0.10/1630/ |
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| <indutny> | bnoordhuis: yes |
| 13:22:28
| <indutny> | aranhoide: I think select() is really bad |
| 13:22:43
| <indutny> | but could work with small number of fds |
| 13:22:50
| <indutny> | quite fast |
| 13:22:59
| <indutny> | however, if you'll get high loads |
| 13:23:01
| <aranhoide> | indutny: about how small would that have to be? |
| 13:23:03
| <indutny> | it may blow up |
| 13:23:13
| <indutny> | aranhoide: honestly saying, I don't know |
| 13:23:16
| <indutny> | you can try benchmarking |
| 13:23:24
| <indutny> | to see at which number of fds it fails short |
| 13:23:55
| <bnoordhuis> | indutny: just going over your PRs. still the same ones as this morning? |
| 13:24:04
| <indutny> | well, I have more |
| 13:24:10
| <indutny> | but these ones are important |
| 13:24:55
| <bnoordhuis> | aranhoide: select() only works for a handful of file descriptors. if you have 10-20 fds, epoll or kqueue should always win out |
| 13:25:19
| <aranhoide> | nice, that's enough for me |
| 13:26:04
| <aranhoide> | I mean, enough info, not enough fds ;) |
| 13:26:13
| <aranhoide> | thanks! |
| 13:26:32
| <bnoordhuis> | np :) |
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| <mmalecki> | bnoordhuis: you don't happen to be going to Amsterdam today, are you? |
| 13:34:24
| <bnoordhuis> | mmalecki: indeed, it so happens i don't |
| 13:34:38
| <bnoordhuis> | mmalecki: but why do you ask? |
| 13:35:29
| <mmalecki> | bnoordhuis: there's this great pub nearby my place, Gollem: http://cafegollem.nl/ |
| 13:35:40
| <mmalecki> | (you'll probablyh understand something from their website) |
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| <bnoordhuis> | oh yeah, i know it |
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| <mmalecki> | bnoordhuis: does next weekend in Utrecht work for you btw? |
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| <bnoordhuis> | mmalecki: yeah, i think that could work. weekdays wfm too btw |
| 13:41:57
| <mmalecki> | bnoordhuis: so next Friday/Thursday :) |
| 13:42:07
| <bnoordhuis> | mmalecki: yeah, that's fine |
| 13:42:26
| <bnoordhuis> | sorry, gotta run. we have visitors. i'll ping you later today |
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| <mmalecki> | sure |
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| <indutny> | that ocsp thing is cool :) |
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| <mmalecki> | indutny: hey, should your ip module consider ::1 a private IPv6 address? |
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| <indutny> | hm... |
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| <indutny> | perhaps |
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| <indutny> | mmalecki: wanna be a new maintainer of it? :) |
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| <mmalecki> | indutny: haha, yes, if you tell me if ::1 is supposed to be private |
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| <indutny> | well, idk |
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| <indutny> | need to google it |
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| <indutny> | but I'm too busy with OSCP |
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| <mmalecki> | a'ight. add me and I'll figure it out |
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| <indutny> | I guess it is |
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| <indutny> | you can't connect to servers listening on 127.0.0.1 |
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| <indutny> | from non-loopback interface |
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| <mmalecki> | I mean, that's only sane since 127.0.0.1 is private |
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| <indutny> | well |
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| <indutny> | ok, you better check it out |
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| <indutny> | added you to project |
| 14:39:06
| <indutny> | and npm owners |
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| <indutny> | thank you :) |
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| <mmalecki> | thanks Fedora |
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| <mmalecki> | *Fedor |
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| <indutny> | you're welcome |
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