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01:17:11  <deoxxa>how do i determine the type of a v8::Value?
01:17:22  <deoxxa>specifically an element in a v8::Arguments
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06:54:07  <darkyen>good morning all :-)
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07:08:25  <indutny>morning
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07:15:45  <darkyen>indutny: I have a question is uv_async_send supposed to work with the threads created in threadpool by uv_work_queue ?
07:16:00  <darkyen>further are there any examples / explanations for this ?
07:16:37  <ryah>re
07:16:44  <ryah>(do people say that anymore?)
07:17:12  <indutny>darkyen: it works from any thread
07:17:25  <darkyen>its crashing :-/
07:17:27  <indutny>well
07:17:46  <darkyen>maybe i need to re-read my code for errors
07:17:50  <indutny>where are you initiating it?
07:17:57  <indutny>wherea are you sending to it?
07:18:14  <darkyen>I am sending a call to wake up the main v8 thread. from a thread in threadpool
07:18:24  <indutny>that should work
07:18:32  <indutny>if you've initiated uv_async_t in v8 thread
07:19:52  <darkyen>oops
07:21:01  <darkyen>is there any example / src code of some module that is using this ?
07:21:44  <indutny>one se
07:22:00  <indutny>https://github.com/indutny/node-bplus/blob/master/src/node_bplus.cc
07:22:19  <indutny>workers + async_send
07:23:00  <ryah>https://github.com/indutny/bplus <- nice
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07:23:06  <ryah>fuck yeah
07:23:33  <indutny>haha
07:23:36  <ryah>use gyp man
07:23:37  <indutny>ryah: haven't you seen this before?
07:23:42  <indutny>will do
07:23:42  <ryah>nope
07:23:55  <indutny>it's my first C project
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07:24:15  <indutny>so expect subtle bugs here :D
07:27:28  <ryah>i think we should start a module system for C
07:27:34  <ryah>using GYP
07:27:40  <ryah>GYP is modules for C
07:27:44  <indutny>yeah
07:27:53  <ryah>we could build a little npm-like tool
07:28:01  <ryah>just have it work with github urlss
07:28:14  <indutny>package.gyp
07:28:15  <ryah>cmod install https://github.com/indutny/bplus
07:28:29  <ryah>just drops it into dep/
07:28:33  <ryah>deps/
07:28:49  <ryah>or maybe just in the pwd
07:29:26  <ryah>we'd have to write a http request for libuv
07:30:11  <indutny>heh
07:30:23  <indutny>I'm thinking about embedding node in one my C++ project
07:30:23  <indutny>:D
07:30:47  <indutny>do want js runtime with all C++ stuff already attached to it
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07:33:15  <darkyen>Works now :-) thanks indutny
07:33:45  <indutny>darkyen:++
07:33:45  <kohai>darkyen has 1 beer
07:33:51  <indutny>you're welcome
07:34:01  <darkyen>:-)
07:40:35  <deoxxa>ryah: I SUPPORT THIS IDEA
07:40:52  <ryah>good :)
07:41:02  <deoxxa>you have no idea how much easier that would make my life
07:41:05  <deoxxa>or maybe you do
07:41:31  <ryah>actually, we can just write the install tool in python
07:41:35  <ryah>since gyp itself is python
07:41:46  <ryah>that's super easy
07:42:04  <deoxxa>i got my first taste of how cool gyp is today
07:42:11  <deoxxa>with help from TooTallNate
07:42:19  <deoxxa>the whole dependencies thing is massively cool
07:42:31  <ryah>yes
07:42:49  <ryah>hopefully nate will publish his video soon
07:43:15  <indutny>video
07:43:16  <indutny>?
07:43:27  <deoxxa>presentation on node-gyp?
07:43:38  <indutny>oh
07:43:41  <indutny>cool
07:43:45  <ryah>yes
07:43:53  <deoxxa>sounds neat
07:43:55  <ryah>i've convinced him to do it
07:43:58  <indutny>Hope there'll be a lot of videos soon: http://2012.nodeconf.com/
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07:44:07  <ryah>ask him about it, maybe he will give you a preview
07:44:20  <indutny>ok, will do, thanks
07:44:21  <ryah>it's not a nodeconf video
07:44:34  <ryah>he's just recording it at home
07:45:03  <deoxxa>ghettoconf
07:45:33  <ryah>marketing conf
07:45:41  <darkyen>am messing with gyp atm ^^
07:46:16  <indutny>ryah: got to say that gyp is still very buggy
07:46:30  <ryah>indutny: what did you hit?
07:46:33  <indutny>sometimes it does very strangy things
07:46:43  <indutny>ryah: passing variables to dependencies
07:46:46  <ryah>yes, the whole --depth and shit
07:46:51  <ryah>yeah
07:46:55  <ryah>it needs work still
07:46:59  <ryah>but i think the concept is great
07:47:40  <ryah>the google people put great hacks into there
07:47:50  <ryah>if there was a larger user base it would get more attention
07:48:00  <ryah>that's why im trying to promote it
07:48:11  <indutny>yeah
07:48:16  <indutny>attention = quality
07:50:03  <darkyen>are things usually meant to be broken in fedora ?
07:50:42  <darkyen>or am i supposed to symlink myself ?
07:51:39  <indutny>ye
07:51:41  <indutny>s
07:51:49  <indutny>things are usually broken in fedora
07:52:05  <indutny>I mean almost every other thing is broken there
07:52:23  <indutny>I was running a server on it for almost year, and, believe me, it's borked
07:53:11  <darkyen>Erm i am using fedora on my home system
07:53:33  <darkyen>bash: /usr/bin/node: Too many levels of symbolic links <- Lol
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07:59:54  <darkyen>My npm seems to be broken
08:00:17  <darkyen>[Abhii@localhost bin]$ sudo ./npm install socket.io -dd did absolutely nothing
08:01:42  <deoxxa>sudon't!
08:01:50  <deoxxa>i miss sudon't :<
08:02:28  <darkyen>?
08:02:42  <darkyen>just wondering how to make sure my npm is alive ?
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08:04:33  <indutny>using sudo is completely wrong
08:04:45  <indutny>you should not use sudo
08:09:37  <darkyen>without sudo
08:09:39  <darkyen>it throws this
08:09:54  <darkyen>bash: /usr/local/bin/npm: /usr/local/bin/node: bad interpreter: Permission denied
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08:11:23  <darkyen>ah i get it.
08:11:25  <darkyen>wrong path
08:11:30  <indutny>sudo chown -R darkyen /usr/local
08:11:43  <indutny>or use nvm
08:12:45  <darkyen>still the same error :-)
08:13:03  <darkyen>its probably because /usr/local/bin/node is a directory
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08:13:57  <indutny>huh?
08:14:06  <indutny>use nvm man
08:14:13  <indutny>or nave
08:14:15  <indutny>I dunno
08:14:24  <indutny>https://github.com/creationix/nvm
08:15:43  <darkyen>did exact steps of nvm
08:15:45  <darkyen>nvm not found!
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08:25:39  <darkyen>ding , changing first line of npm worked!
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09:18:21  <piscisaureus_>allo allo
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09:23:28  <darkyen>how do i add precompiled libraries to gyp ?
09:23:51  <darkyen>with waf i would of done uselib = ['avcodec','avformat'];
09:24:18  <darkyen>I mean t.lib = ['avcodec','avformat'];
09:29:56  <piscisaureus_>'libraries': [ 'ws2_32.lib' ]
09:30:01  <piscisaureus_>'libraries': [ 'avcodec' ]
09:32:46  <indutny>hi
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09:35:26  <indutny>piscisaureus_: how are you?
09:35:40  <piscisaureus_>indutny: I'm good. You?
09:35:47  <piscisaureus_>Just arrived back from portlandia
09:35:54  <indutny>piscisaureus_: fine too
09:35:55  <indutny>heh
09:36:03  <indutny>you're almost living there
09:36:08  <piscisaureus_>ghe
09:36:12  <piscisaureus_>not going back anytime soon
09:36:23  <piscisaureus_>this was just coincidentally two times in a row
09:36:37  <indutny>heh
09:37:23  <darkyen>thats it ?
09:37:27  <darkyen>erm wow this is easy!
09:37:36  <indutny>darkyen: indeed, once you know how it works
09:37:45  <darkyen>:-)
09:38:11  <darkyen>I just upgrade to node 0.8.3 // now reading uv.h
09:38:32  <piscisaureus_>I like gyp a lot but hammering out a gyp file is annoying
09:38:46  <piscisaureus_>because of all the curly braces and quotation marks etc
09:39:12  <piscisaureus_>I should go write coffeegyp :-p
09:39:43  <darkyen>or gyp++ maybe ??
09:39:58  <piscisaureus_>hah
09:40:11  <piscisaureus_>we should make a central repo for gypified projects
09:40:29  <piscisaureus_>and define some best practices or something
09:40:52  <piscisaureus_>like, don't hard code product dirs in your gyp file (v8 does that :-( )
09:41:15  <indutny>yeah
09:41:20  <indutny>v8's usage of gyp is just awful
09:41:25  <indutny>it kills all modularity
09:47:44  <piscisaureus_>https://github.com/gypified
09:47:48  <piscisaureus_>^-- ?
09:48:05  <piscisaureus_>I would just have to add collaborators all over the place :-0
09:49:38  <piscisaureus_>Are there any more interesting gypified projects?
09:49:43  <piscisaureus_>v8, probably
09:49:50  <piscisaureus_>I could also add PHP :-)
09:50:26  <indutny>piscisaureus_: add candor
09:50:51  <indutny>and I've another gypified project, but I'll release it after I'll finish project that derives from it :P
09:51:39  <indutny>piscisaureus_: also you can try gypifying bplus
09:51:39  <indutny>:P
09:51:45  <piscisaureus_>haha
09:51:45  <indutny>ryah requested that :P
09:51:46  <piscisaureus_>no
09:51:54  <indutny>you may add windows support too
09:52:10  <piscisaureus_>I am trying to start this as a proof of concept
09:52:11  <indutny>a question
09:52:21  <indutny>when I do Buffer::New() - should resulting object be GCed?
09:52:30  <indutny>because it doesn't
09:52:44  <mmalecki>indutny: isn't Buffer a chunk of memory outside heap?
09:52:50  <piscisaureus_>indutny: it should
09:52:57  <indutny>piscisaureus_: well, I think so too
09:52:59  <piscisaureus_>indutny: but it has to go out of scope forst
09:53:02  <piscisaureus_>*first
09:53:06  <indutny>piscisaureus_: well, I'm putting it to the array
09:53:13  <indutny>piscisaureus_: and giving this array to js land
09:53:21  <indutny>and that's all - I forget about it
09:54:11  <indutny>--trace-gc doesn't trace anything
09:54:14  <indutny>I wonder if that's a bug
09:55:32  <piscisaureus_>indutny: well, it'll only be gced when the gc runs
09:55:43  <piscisaureus_>so try with --expose-gc and explicitly gc-ing
09:56:46  <indutny>I tried
09:57:16  <indutny>even more
09:57:23  <indutny>heap seems to have a static size
09:57:50  <indutny>hm...
09:57:59  <indutny>it has stabilized
09:58:57  <indutny>ok, may be it just isn't hitting any limit
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13:06:36  <piscisaureus_>https://github.com/joyent/node/wiki/Windows-Port-%28MSVC%29
13:06:36  <piscisaureus_>https://github.com/joyent/node/wiki/Building-node.js-on-cygwin-%28windows
13:06:36  <piscisaureus_>https://github.com/joyent/node/wiki/Building-node.js-on-Cygwin-%28Windows%29
13:06:36  <piscisaureus_>https://github.com/joyent/node/wiki/Building-node.js-on-mingw
13:06:36  <piscisaureus_>https://github.com/joyent/node/wiki/How-to-install-Node.js-on-Windows-XP-via-Portable-Ubuntu-Remix
13:06:42  <piscisaureus_>Let's clean that shit up
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13:22:15  <indutny>last is my favorite
13:22:28  <indutny>huh?
13:22:30  <indutny>you removed it
13:22:33  <indutny>piscisaureus_: bastard!
13:22:48  <indutny>:)
13:22:56  <piscisaureus_>indutny: huh
13:23:12  <piscisaureus_>indutny: I actually had some doubt about the last one, to be honest :-)
13:23:19  <piscisaureus_>indutny: but that shit is no longer relevant
13:24:01  <piscisaureus_>I wonder if we should just move all the "how to upgrade from xx to yy" pages to the source repo
13:24:10  <piscisaureus_>the wiki is a desert
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13:25:05  <piscisaureus_>https://github.com/joyent/node/wiki/Error-FAQ <-- I mean, .... :-(
13:25:27  <indutny>hahahah
13:25:32  <indutny>omg
13:25:53  <indutny>we should create wiki-cleaner bot
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13:27:43  <piscisaureus_>https://github.com/joyent/node/wiki/Project-Organization <-- I think we need to add some people to that
13:30:15  <piscisaureus_>We should just move the "contributing" and "contributing for dummies" and "project organization" pages and put it in the docs
13:42:30  <deoxxa>why is it that when i set a variable on the prototype of a function via c++ i can't access that variable in any way other than via the prototype itself?
13:42:43  <deoxxa>are objects constructed via c++ sufficiently different that i have to do something special?
13:44:10  <deoxxa>oh i see
13:44:11  <deoxxa>never mind
13:44:21  <deoxxa>i think i'm just misunderstanding how prototypes work (again)
13:45:11  <deoxxa>`function X() {}; X.prototype.b = 5;' << X.b == null, but (new X).b == 5
13:45:16  <deoxxa>(is this correct?)
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14:11:03  <indutny>deoxxa: yes
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14:28:28  <felixge>I remember seeing a link in here to a re-implementation of the DNS protocol in pure JS the other day
14:28:34  <felixge>anybody got that link?
14:28:40  <felixge>(pure JS = pure node.js)
14:32:14  <deoxxa>felixge: xip.io uses something like that
14:32:20  <mmalecki>felixge: yeah, I got one, sec
14:32:24  <mmalecki>er, I got the link
14:32:36  <felixge>I think I found it too
14:32:37  <felixge>https://github.com/tjfontaine/node-dns/tree/master/lib
14:32:46  <mmalecki>felixge: https://github.com/bmeck/node-protocols/blob/master/dns.js
14:32:55  <felixge>mmalecki: ah, that was the one!
14:33:06  <tjfontaine>aww
14:33:09  <mmalecki>:D
14:33:10  <tjfontaine>I gets no love
14:33:30  <mmalecki>tjfontaine: ++ you get some beer, at least!
14:33:34  <kohai>tjfontaine has 2 beers
14:34:40  <tjfontaine>beer will work
14:34:47  <tjfontaine>but it will only help to drown my sorrow
14:34:58  <mmalecki>vodka works better as a love replacement, actually
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