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00:16:40  <isaacs>hola
00:16:43  <isaacs>igorzi: hi
00:17:41  <igorzi>isaacs: i think there's another rename in npm that might cause that windows antivirus issue that we have a few months ago
00:17:47  <igorzi>https://github.com/isaacs/npm/blob/master/lib/cache.js#L778
00:18:37  <isaacs>hm. yeah, we could unpack it directly in place, as well.
00:19:00  <isaacs>the problem is that if there's more than one top-level thing in the tarball, it'll break
00:19:08  <isaacs>but unpacking it twice is not ideal as a way to solve that
00:19:26  <isaacs>igorzi: are people getting errors on this?
00:19:33  <igorzi>isaacs: maybe we can at least do something similar as we do here? https://github.com/isaacs/npm/blob/master/lib/utils/tar.js#L192-L195
00:20:03  <igorzi>isaacs: yeah, i ran into an error earlier today
00:20:19  <isaacs>ok
00:20:24  <isaacs>can you post an issue, with these links? i
00:20:29  <isaacs>i'll fix it tomorrow
00:20:42  <isaacs>igorzi: on isaacs/npm/issues
00:20:48  <igorzi>isaacs: yep.. though today i was getting EPERM (not EACCES)
00:20:51  <igorzi>isaacs: k
00:20:51  <isaacs>igorzi: really, it should just unpack everything into everhwere.
00:21:11  <isaacs>igorzi: i really need to sketch out the streams, and do it all in one shot.
00:21:16  <isaacs>without a temp folder dance.
00:21:30  <isaacs>all the cleanup happens in the pack or unpack now anyway
00:22:18  <igorzi>isaacs: yeah, that'll speed up the install too
00:22:22  <isaacs>yep
00:22:31  <isaacs>fstream has a few blank spots that need to be filled in first.
00:22:38  <isaacs>so that the filtering can happen in the fstream.Writer
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00:32:01  <isaacs>igorzi: how hard would it be to get lstat and readlink working properly on windows?
00:34:41  <igorzi>isaacs: i think it could be done. let's discuss tomorrow, i think bert spent a bunch of time investigating it
00:34:58  <isaacs>k
00:35:22  <isaacs>windows users are starting to realize there's this "npm link" thing that they dont' get.
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01:01:43  <benvie>lol
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01:21:23  <isaacs>TooTallNate: fstream supports filters on Writer objects now.
01:21:54  <isaacs>TooTallNate: weren't you asking about something about that a while back?
01:22:43  <TooTallNate>isaacs: will that work with tar.Parse?
01:22:54  <TooTallNate>err wait no
01:22:56  <isaacs>TooTallNate: you mean tar.Extract? yes
01:23:03  <isaacs>tar.Parse will always show you everything in the tarball.
01:23:17  <isaacs>to do otherwise would be a lie :)
01:23:22  <TooTallNate>what is tar.Extract for again?
01:23:26  <isaacs>extracting to a folder
01:23:53  <TooTallNate>well if that accepts a filter then sounds like we're in business :)
01:24:10  <isaacs>it does now :)
01:24:17  <isaacs>just published a new fstream
01:24:24  <isaacs>0.1.14
01:24:27  <TooTallNate>cool, i'll look into it
01:24:31  <TooTallNate>thanks
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01:30:10  <TooTallNate>isaacs: is there a way to like adjust the output filepath?
01:30:51  <TooTallNate>i'm trying to extract into "0.6.13" instead of "node-v0.6.13" (or whatever the top-level dir in the tarball is)
01:31:11  <isaacs>TooTallNate: you can set {'strip': 1} in the opts
01:31:17  <isaacs>TooTallNate: that'll strip off one dir level
01:31:19  <TooTallNate>perfect
01:31:25  <isaacs>TooTallNate: then just set the output dir to whatever.
01:31:28  <TooTallNate>right
01:31:42  <isaacs>TooTallNate: also, my patch didn't make it work on -pre versions. there's another place where it sets the version, i geuss
01:33:09  <TooTallNate>oh hmm, ok i'll look into that too
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02:00:57  <CIA-99>node: Felix Geisendörfer master * r1824019 / (2 files in 2 dirs):
02:00:57  <CIA-99>node: Expose http parse error codes
02:00:57  <CIA-99>node: Currently http parse errors do not expose the error details available
02:00:57  <CIA-99>node: from http_parser. This patch exposes the error code as `err.code`. - http://git.io/FegHJw
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04:18:15  <mordy_>hello. what type of time unit goes into uv_timer_start() ?
04:19:47  <mordy_>from the tests it *looks* like milliseconds, but i'm not sure
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11:29:35  <CIA-99>node: repl: fix space autocompletion bug
11:29:35  <CIA-99>node: Tapping <SP> + <TAB> would exit the REPL. - http://git.io/BaCruQ
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15:21:00  <isaacs>indutny: hey
15:21:41  <isaacs>indutny: so, that debugger issue... the problem is that sometimes it doesn't show the green line and the spot in the source code.
15:21:42  <isaacs>https://gist.github.com/2136920
15:21:56  <isaacs>but! it HAS stopped at the debugger; statement!
15:21:58  <isaacs>it just doesn't show it
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15:46:48  <piscisaureus_>bnoordhuis: the STL pull request is not as bad as it looks
15:46:57  <piscisaureus_>bnoordhuis: it offers actual optimisations
15:47:09  <piscisaureus_>because we can avoid strdups etc
15:47:12  <piscisaureus_>and mallocs
15:47:22  <bnoordhuis>piscisaureus_: you don't need to convince me, i'm actually mildly in favor of it :)
15:47:38  <piscisaureus_>std::vector is not that bad also
15:47:40  <bnoordhuis>i was going to pester isaacs about it later today
15:47:45  <piscisaureus_>hehe
15:48:15  <isaacs>ugh.
15:48:16  <isaacs>STL.
15:48:18  <piscisaureus_>bnoordhuis: we could also make our own implementation of String::Utf8Value that avoids mallocs if the string is small
15:48:26  <piscisaureus_>er, rather a wrapper for it
15:48:30  <bnoordhuis>right
15:48:37  <isaacs>i'm not really convinced that including STL stuff is a good idea.
15:48:38  <piscisaureus_>that would be an easy win (although I suspect mostly a small one)
15:48:39  <bnoordhuis>it doesn't necessarily have to be STL
15:48:48  <bnoordhuis>but containers are a win
15:48:52  <isaacs>it opens the door to a lot of c++ wankery.
15:48:52  <piscisaureus_>I agree, doesn't have to
15:49:11  <piscisaureus_>we should be pragmatic here.
15:49:29  <piscisaureus_>This is a meritocraty right :-)
15:49:33  <isaacs>piscisaureus_: ++
15:49:36  <kohai>piscisaureus_ has 7 beers
15:49:48  <isaacs>there is pragmatism in not having std::blerg all over our codebase.
15:49:50  <piscisaureus_>the only thing is that next up, people will bitch us for not using smart pointers
15:49:56  <isaacs>yes.
15:50:02  <isaacs>we have to think of the social ramifications.
15:50:03  <piscisaureus_>yeah, I agree with that
15:50:26  <bnoordhuis>meh, i don't have a problem with telling people 'no'
15:50:29  <piscisaureus_>also, which are the platforms that have no proper STL
15:50:38  <bnoordhuis>piscisaureus_: none that we target
15:51:03  <bnoordhuis>well, maybe that people compiling with gcc 3.2 run into issues
15:51:08  <creationix>how much does it affect code-size and base memory requirements
15:51:22  <piscisaureus_>std::vector?
15:51:25  <piscisaureus_>not much
15:51:35  <bnoordhuis>creationix: re memory: probably not much more (if any) than what we use now
15:51:45  <isaacs>std::vector is not the problem. it's std::everything_else
15:51:47  <creationix>yeah, after v8, many things are small in comparison
15:52:16  <isaacs>node should try as hard as possible to be as pure-C as possible.
15:52:25  <isaacs>we can't do that, obviously, because of v8
15:52:29  <creationix>can you grab just vector or implement just the parts you want?
15:52:29  <bnoordhuis>nah, that's nonsense
15:52:35  <bnoordhuis>pick the good parts of c++
15:52:41  <bnoordhuis>raii is one of the good parts
15:52:45  <isaacs>bnoordhuis: yes, i agree.
15:53:00  <isaacs>bnoordhuis: but std is too full of bad parts to even venture into. it's a bad neighborhood, man.
15:53:02  <piscisaureus_>bnoordhuis: the only thing I am wondering...
15:53:09  <piscisaureus_>bnoordhuis: does vector not overallocate by default?
15:53:12  <isaacs>yes, i know, there's that one cafe in that neighborhood that's really good.
15:53:15  <bnoordhuis>isaacs: oh right. like i said, it doesn't have to be stl
15:53:16  <isaacs>but stil, don't go there.
15:53:35  <bnoordhuis>we can roll our own node::Vector<T> class
15:53:37  <piscisaureus_>I think we all agree on the general principle that stl is bad :-)
15:53:39  <isaacs>i'd be ok with that.
15:53:57  <isaacs>in fact, it could simplify a lot of things.
15:53:59  <piscisaureus_>bnoordhuis: in many cases a non-resizable vector is good enough
15:54:01  <creationix>does v8 have any containers that we can reuse, or is that too private / too dependent on v8?
15:54:08  <isaacs>and we've got plenty of reasonable c++ good-parts in node already.
15:54:14  <piscisaureus_>creationix: maybe, but v8 doesn't expose those
15:54:18  <bnoordhuis>creationix: there are a couple but v8.h doesn't expose them
15:55:35  <creationix>I like the sound of node::Vector<T>
15:55:47  <creationix>especially if it's kept simple and only does what we need
15:57:46  <bnoordhuis>piscisaureus_: make sure you're at the office tomorrow, we've got a beer date with saghul
15:57:56  <piscisaureus_>saghul?
15:58:02  <bnoordhuis>yes, saghul
15:58:11  <saghul>piscisaureus_ bnoordhuis hey :-)
15:58:15  <bnoordhuis>hey :)
15:58:33  <bnoordhuis>piscisaureus_: that saghul ^
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16:02:58  <indutny>isaacs: what's a green line? :)
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16:03:30  <piscisaureus_>bnoordhuis: It could be a little crowded at the office tomorrow because a lot of the international people are over.
16:03:45  <bnoordhuis>piscisaureus_: right, good point
16:03:47  <isaacs>indutny: updated https://gist.github.com/2136920
16:04:06  <bnoordhuis>saghul: want to move it to thursday?
16:04:09  <isaacs>indutny: it's like v8 stops the program right there, but reports that it's at line 0 instead of line 1 or something
16:04:17  <piscisaureus_>bnoordhuis: that won't matter
16:04:22  <isaacs>indutny: so we don't show the code or highlight the line that you'er on
16:04:24  <bnoordhuis>they're here all week?
16:04:28  <piscisaureus_>bnoordhuis: just come - we will work it out.
16:04:28  <saghul>bnoordhuis no problem
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16:04:31  <indutny>hah
16:04:37  <indutny>isaacs: interesting
16:04:41  <bnoordhuis>saghul: apparently it's tomorrow after all :)
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16:04:51  <piscisaureus_>bnoordhuis: I think Matt leaves tomorrow and the others are here all week.
16:04:54  <saghul>bnoordhuis heh, that also works :-)
16:05:20  <bnoordhuis>saghul: cool, see you tomorrow - the first beer is on piscisaureus_
16:05:45  <saghul>bnoordhuis piscisaureus_ ok then! ;-)
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16:19:53  <piscisaureus_>bnoordhuis: did you write tests for the refcount refactor?
16:20:03  <piscisaureus_>or just the unix implementation?
16:24:43  <bnoordhuis>piscisaureus_: it's still work in progress
16:24:59  <bnoordhuis>but i haven't written any new tests so far
16:27:04  <piscisaureus_>ok
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17:07:37  <CIA-99>node: ssuda master * r253ec6a / src/process_wrap.cc :
17:07:37  <CIA-99>node: process: don't use strdup()
17:07:37  <CIA-99>node: file and cwd can be directly used from Utf8Value. - http://git.io/1X7HyA
17:08:44  <bnoordhuis>ircretary: tell isaacs https://github.com/joyent/node/issues/2965#issuecomment-4593723
17:08:44  <ircretary>bnoordhuis: I'll be sure to tell isaacs
17:10:07  <piscisaureus_>If my battery wasn't almost empty I would start another rant about threads a gogo.
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17:12:01  <bnoordhuis>piscisaureus_: how so?
17:12:28  <bnoordhuis>[% 100|+ 73|- 57]: Done. <- refactoring is awesome
17:12:33  <piscisaureus_>rolf
17:12:34  <bnoordhuis>at least it compiles!
17:12:42  <piscisaureus_>bnoordhuis: well, I had a look at it
17:13:20  <piscisaureus_>and it seems that what it offers is just web workers (this guys promised the world remember - zero copy object sharing and whatnot)
17:13:24  <piscisaureus_>but the api is just more shitty
17:13:42  <bnoordhuis>it's based on isolates right?
17:13:52  <piscisaureus_>yeah, I think so
17:14:14  <piscisaureus_>There is no effort to make child processes work etc
17:18:11  <piscisaureus_>isaacs: https://github.com/pgte/bubble <-- another userland domains implementation
17:18:37  <piscisaureus_>ok now my elektricity is really out
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19:46:01  <isaacs>bnoordhuis: Hey, you around? https://gist.github.com/2140458
19:46:06  <isaacs>bnoordhuis: care to review that?
19:46:25  <isaacs>bnoordhuis: on non-linux unixes, ECONNABORTED in accept blows up the server.
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19:55:46  <benvie>I don't understand the point of threads a go go if it doesn't provide for some kind of transferable object implementation
20:07:07  <mmalecki>I don't understand the point of threads a go go
20:10:37  <benvie>the name
20:10:40  <benvie>is the point
20:25:41  <mmalecki>lol
20:39:04  <`3rdEden>it helps building high performance scalable fibonacci servers
20:41:10  <creationix>is that some intel initiative?
20:41:13  <mmalecki>exactly what node was made for
20:47:17  <benvie>if we don't keep the cpus busy with arbitrary tasks they will become super-sentient before we figure out how to put a kill switch in
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20:58:50  <igorzi>bnoordhuis: yt?
21:12:52  <TooTallNate>can someone else comment on https://github.com/joyent/node/issues/2959?
21:13:01  <TooTallNate>the guy's fix at the bottom feels nice, i tried it out
21:50:36  <TooTallNate>isaacs: i published node-gyp v0.3.7
21:50:51  <TooTallNate>isaacs: fixed the -pre handling
21:52:12  <isaacs>TooTallNate: sweet
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21:52:48  <isaacs>TooTallNate: re https://github.com/joyent/node/issues/2959
21:52:57  <isaacs>TooTallNate: what's the thing that feels nice? is there a diff?
21:53:48  <TooTallNate>well firstly, "delete", left or right arrow, on a multiple-row line, will force it to the bottom of the screen currently
21:54:03  <TooTallNate>since it's doing an absolute placement to the bottom
21:54:08  <isaacs>ugh
21:54:10  <TooTallNate>rather than a relative one
21:54:10  <isaacs>that's wrong
21:54:44  <TooTallNate>second is that if you type a long line, and it reaches the right border, then the next letter goes off the screen to the right
21:54:54  <TooTallNate>but it actually should go to the next line
21:54:59  <isaacs>ahh, i see
21:55:00  <TooTallNate>^ that was the main one bugging me
21:55:05  <isaacs>the delete thing
21:55:43  <isaacs>TooTallNate: cool. any fix proposed?
21:56:30  <TooTallNate>isaacs: i started one, but it was incomplete. rlidwka took my partial branch and finished it up
21:56:36  <isaacs>i see
21:56:40  <isaacs>https://github.com/rlidwka/node/compare/54fba0af859bd640cc12f86600ec4ad8b2048209...rlidwka:multiline-repl
21:57:04  <TooTallNate>isaacs: better view: https://github.com/rlidwka/node/compare/joyent:master...rlidwka:multiline-repl
21:57:07  <isaacs>can you and/or he squash and rebase into a few logical commits on master?
21:57:15  <TooTallNate>ya, i can do that
21:57:29  <igorzi>isaacs: hey, that symlink issue still happens on npm master
21:57:43  <isaacs>igorzi: which symlink thing?
21:57:47  <isaacs>igorzi: oh, npm install jade
21:57:52  <igorzi>isaacs: yep
21:57:53  <isaacs>igorzi: did you `npm cache clean`?
21:57:56  <isaacs>it works for me on windows now
21:58:07  <igorzi>isaacs: oh crap. no.. let me do that
21:59:25  <isaacs>i meant to go through and fix that other AV thing. tuesdays suck, man. every meeting happens on tuesdays
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22:02:53  <igorzi>isaacs: tried 'npm cache clean'.. same result
22:03:23  <isaacs>igorzi: can you share the npm-debug.log file?
22:03:24  <igorzi>isaacs: 'npm install jade'
22:03:27  <igorzi>isaacs: dir node_modules\jade\lib\jade.js
22:03:37  <igorzi>lib\jade.js is not there
22:04:05  <isaacs>oh, weird...
22:04:28  <isaacs>and no warning about the symlink not being acceptable.
22:04:35  <igorzi>isaacs: nope
22:04:52  <isaacs>igorzi: oh, i see, i broke it.
22:04:56  <isaacs>:)
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22:07:16  <igorzi>isaacs: do you still want the log file?
22:07:32  <isaacs>nono, i'm reproducing
22:07:54  <igorzi>k, cool
22:11:05  <isaacs>igorzi: fixed on master
22:11:12  <isaacs>fc5b53c
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22:11:55  <igorzi>isaacs: sweet, thanks!
22:16:38  <TooTallNate>isaacs: squashed: https://github.com/TooTallNate/node/compare/multiline-readline
22:17:53  <isaacs>TooTallNate:
22:17:54  <isaacs>+ // FIXME: when #2922 will be approved, change this to
22:17:54  <isaacs> 107
22:17:55  <isaacs>+ // output.on('resize', ...
22:17:57  <isaacs> 108
22:17:59  <isaacs>+ self._refreshLine();
22:18:01  <isaacs>110 109
22:18:03  <isaacs>TooTallNate: should we do 2922 first?
22:18:20  <TooTallNate>hmm, ya maybe. it needs a bit more work though...
22:19:52  <isaacs>ok.
22:20:02  <isaacs>as long as #2922 removes that //FIXME i'm ok with it ;P
22:20:33  <TooTallNate>ok, doing a bit more review before merging then
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22:37:57  <CIA-99>node: Nathan Rajlich master * r8517089 / lib/readline.js :
22:37:57  <CIA-99>node: Revert "readline: add multiline support"
22:37:57  <CIA-99>node: This reverts commit 443071db5749603f816199b9ec8bc512fb441d98.
22:37:57  <CIA-99>node: Patch was overly compilicated and made some incorrect assumptions about the
22:37:57  <CIA-99>node: position of the cursor being at the bottom of the screen. @rlidwka and I are
22:37:58  <CIA-99>node: working on getting a proper implementation written. - http://git.io/fTzuAg
22:37:58  <CIA-99>node: Alex Kocharin master * r06a058d / (lib/readline.js lib/repl.js lib/tty.js):
22:37:59  <CIA-99>node: readline: row-agnostic multiline readline implementation
22:37:59  <CIA-99>node: Fixes #2959. - http://git.io/0GMyrg
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22:54:23  <travis-ci>[travis-ci] joyent/node#623 (master - 06a058d : Alex Kocharin): The build is still failing.
22:54:23  <travis-ci>[travis-ci] Change view : https://github.com/joyent/node/compare/253ec6a...06a058d
22:54:23  <travis-ci>[travis-ci] Build details : http://travis-ci.org/joyent/node/builds/910424
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23:18:52  <isaacs>igorzi: got that v0.6 patch?
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23:19:20  <igorzi>isaacs: yep
23:19:22  <igorzi>isaacs: https://github.com/igorzi/node/commit/f8932effcddd1a0ee07e3d3dfd68fcfd1d6824bf
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23:19:54  <igorzi>isaacs: i was waiting for bnoordhuis to review
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