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| <timoxley> | rvagg: I'm sure it's been discussed before, but what's the rationale behind using NotFoundError vs just undefined? to differentiate between value being undefined and no actual value? |
02:50:47
| <timoxley> | rvagg: i.e. recalling the advice of "use exceptions only in exceptional cases. errors are not for control flow" |
02:50:56
| <rvagg> | timoxley: hm, yeah, I can't recall specifics, it's documented in the issue tracker somewhere; off the top of my head 3 things: 1) explicitness, 2) leveldb returns an error, 3) an encoding might want to have "undefined" as something it can return |
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| <rvagg> | timoxley: not advice I take to heart, exceptions are an important part of programming and should be used to signal exceptional events where the normal control flow doesn't allow for the special situation |
02:52:12
| <rvagg> | remember, I'm a Java programmer underneath this JavaScript exterior |
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| <timoxley> | rvagg: perhaps it could return some kind of constant that could be === checked, like if (value === db.NOT_FOUND) or something |
02:53:17
| <timoxley> | rvagg: might be easier when we get es6 symbols |
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| <rvagg> | hm, but we have an 'err' parameter for special symbols |
02:53:47
| <rvagg> | .get(foo) where foo isn't there to get is an error ... |
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| <timoxley> | rvagg: fine. |
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| <rvagg> | FINE |
03:05:31
| <timoxley> | rvagg: levelup extension is pretty common, thought about perhaps weaving in some https://github.com/rvagg/externr? |
03:06:40
| <rvagg> | https://github.com/rvagg/node-levelup/issues/92 |
03:06:46
| <rvagg> | https://github.com/rvagg/node-levelup/issues/97 |
03:06:51
| <rvagg> | https://github.com/rvagg/node-levelup/issues/101 |
03:06:57
| <rvagg> | https://github.com/rvagg/node-levelup/issues/123 |
03:07:14
| <rvagg> | https://github.com/rvagg/node-levelup/issues/166 |
03:07:28
| <rvagg> | https://github.com/rvagg/node-levelup/issues/212 |
03:07:39
| <rvagg> | much much discussion, no consensus |
03:07:40
| <timoxley> | oh. |
03:07:42
| <timoxley> | I see |
03:07:50
| <rvagg> | sort of taking a wait-and-see approach to see what bubbles up |
03:08:05
| <rvagg> | I'm still partial to the externr approach, see that first issue for some of my implementation ideas |
03:08:16
| <rvagg> | but it is a little magic and not as declarative as idiomatic node |
03:08:43
| <rvagg> | BUT, we're partly charting new territory here so I think we can afford to experiment and map out a new "idiomatic" approach to extensions |
03:13:52
| <timoxley> | rvagg: yep, tricky. |
03:13:55
| <timoxley> | hm |
03:14:58
| <timoxley> | rvagg: aside, perhaps add a 'plugin' label to all those gh issues or something to tie them together for future reference |
03:15:19
| <rvagg> | good idea |
03:25:46
| <timoxley> | rvagg: maybe an idea is something likelevel-packager/test.js but for levelup that verifies extensions have same expected api |
03:26:35
| <rvagg> | timoxley: as in the "level" object has the appropriate behaviour even after extended? |
03:26:41
| <rvagg> | are you running in to a particular problem? |
03:27:12
| <timoxley> | rvagg: oh, I just noticed things like https://github.com/rvagg/node-levelup/issues/212#issuecomment-27676814 |
03:28:19
| <timoxley> | and level-version whose .get returns an error if it can't find an item, but it's not the same error as levelup |
03:28:25
| <timoxley> | cc brycebaril |
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| <TehShrike> | Hello cool people |
03:39:25
| <rvagg> | TehShrike: just ask away in here, either I or someone else can answer |
03:39:41
| <rvagg> | I'm just afk making lunch |
03:40:37
| <TehShrike> | I'm making this little levelUP wrapper for my own use - https://github.com/TehShrike/levelup-cache - could anyone interested take a look at it and see if there's any way in particular that it is misinformed? I have a vague suspicion that this should be implemented as a plugin matching the levelUP API and whatnot, but I haven't looked into it much, and would appreciate confirmation |
03:41:21
| <TehShrike> | lunch is cool. I had turkey and bacon pancakes for lunch |
03:41:49
| <TehShrike> | That is, I ate some leftover turkey, and fresh pancakes made with bacon in them |
03:41:54
| <TehShrike> | Not pancakes with bacon and turkey in them |
03:41:57
| <TehShrike> | That would be silly |
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| <timoxley> | TehShrike: you looked at https://github.com/rvagg/level-ttl-cache? |
04:11:12
| <TehShrike> | I had not seen that before - looks highly relevant |
04:13:17
| <TehShrike> | It looks like ttl expiration is mostly based on dropping items out of the cache after a certain amount of time, while I'm more interested going out and looking for new values every so often |
04:13:58
| <TehShrike> | However, ttl is the next thing I was going to implement in my library, and level-ttl-cache totally solves that problem, so thanks! |
04:15:32
| <TehShrike> | Actually, my purposes might be a bit different - I want my ttl determined by last read/write time, not just last write time |
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| <rvagg> | TehShrike: there's this too: https://github.com/CondeNast/hangar |
04:21:34
| <rvagg> | and level-ttl which these things use |
04:21:54
| <timoxley> | TehShrike: perhaps there's a way you could add or plug that functionality into level-ttl-cache |
04:22:14
| <rvagg> | and level-session may be relevant too as I use level-ttl but want to do the update-ttl-on-read thing which can be tricky in a session situation where you have many values for a user and you want to update the ttl on all of them |
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| <timoxley> | rvagg: what's up with the level-mem tests? |
04:25:17
| <rvagg> | something? |
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| <timoxley> | expecting 00, 01, 02 vs 0, 1, 2 |
04:25:31
| <TehShrike> | Looking into level-hangar now, thanks |
04:25:39
| <rvagg> | oh, that stupid thing.... |
04:25:43
| <timoxley> | rvagg: looks like test might be broke |
04:25:44
| <timoxley> | yeah |
04:26:06
| <rvagg> | timoxley: https://github.com/rvagg/abstract-leveldown/pull/21 |
04:26:11
| <rvagg> | I've neglected to merge and release that |
04:27:05
| <timoxley> | k |
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| <rvagg> | david's looking for indexeddb wisdom if anyone's awake who has some to share |
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| <rvagg> | I have no such wisdom |
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| <substack> | what manner of wisdom? |
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| <rvagg> | "It seems Firefox limit is 50Mb blobs before warning, but max capacity is relative, you know anyway to know this in runtime?" |
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| <daviddias> | Exactly, I'm trying to find if there is any storage cap while using level.js (other than the obvious physical limit) |
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| <daviddias> | And if there was a way to know before hand what would be that limit, that would work too |
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| <daviddias> | *Thanks rvagg :) |
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