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| <brycebaril> | rvagg: cool, thanks |
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| <rvagg> | brycebaril: I bumped to 0.1.0 and published |
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| <brycebaril> | Still showing up as 0.0.5 on npm for me for some reason, maybe I've got a stale cache |
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| <rvagg> | ack, no, you're right |
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| <rvagg> | publish didn't go through |
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| <rvagg> | oh well, I'll let you do the honours, just pull the latest master |
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| <brycebaril> | ok, will do |
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| <rvagg> | juliangruber: mikeal's suggested a time ,can you make that one? https://gist.github.com/mikeal/6137274 |
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| <rvagg> | would be good to hook eugeneware up too but that's 1 or 2am for him I think |
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| <juliangruber> | rvagg: sweet |
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| <juliangruber> | rvagg: this is today/tomorrow, right? |
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| <juliangruber> | ah, next week |
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| <juliangruber> | rvagg: yup, works |
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| <rvagg> | sounds like it's this week to me |
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| <rvagg> | better catch up with mikeal when he's around then eh, or ping him on that levelup issue related to this |
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| <mikeal> | ok guys |
| 17:59:10
| <mikeal> | and ladies |
| 17:59:21
| <mikeal> | i'm giving a talk at Change.org tomorrow about node databases |
| 17:59:33
| <mikeal> | and….. i have not prepared |
| 17:59:36
| <ednapiranha> | ladies! |
| 17:59:41
| <ednapiranha> | who else is a lady in here? :) |
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| <mikeal> | send me slides of existing things |
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| <mikeal> | ednapiranha: most of the lurkers have gender ambiguous names, i'm not going to make assumptions :) |
| 18:00:46
| <ednapiranha> | lol |
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| <jerrysv> | mikeal: terraformer works as a geo-database toolkit, build your own |
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| <jerrysv> | mikeal: i can send you my slides from osbridge if you want |
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| <mikeal> | that would be great |
| 18:04:26
| <mikeal> | also, looking at terraformer cause this shit is awesome |
| 18:04:28
| <mikeal> | the rtree |
| 18:04:30
| <mikeal> | is that in-memory? |
| 18:07:47
| <mikeal> | looks like it since it works in the browser |
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| <mikeal> | i would love to see a leveldown rtree :) |
| 18:08:20
| <mikeal> | it would probably have to have a few extensions |
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| <jerrysv> | mikeal: yeah, it's in memory, but i'm working on a new r-tree right now |
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| <mikeal> | in C? |
| 18:09:29
| <jerrysv> | no, javascript |
| 18:09:58
| <jerrysv> | it will work without all needing to be in memory |
| 18:10:10
| <jerrysv> | so should work with leveldown (that was my plan) |
| 18:10:19
| <mikeal> | nice |
| 18:10:25
| <jerrysv> | https://github.com/JerrySievert/RTree |
| 18:10:48
| <jerrysv> | is the pre-optimized prototype version - still need to add `remove`, `load` and `rebalance` |
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| <mikeal> | nice! |
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| <soldair> | anyone have any good links to implementations of atomic batch ops with ssts im having trouble picking a method for a "logdown" style leveldown |
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| <soldair> | the only way to write it at once is to find an active sst where all keys sort below all keys in the batch and write it in one go. it may be the only way that i can think of without keeping a "commit" key value per batch |
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| <mikeal> | soldair: i don't full get what you're trying to do |
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| <mikeal> | could you explain just a little more? |
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| <mikeal> | you want to do atomic operation per *what* and for what purpose? |
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| <mikeal> | DSCAPE! |
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| <dscape> | halo |
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| <dscape> | rofl |
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| <dscape> | im teaching this to kids |
| 22:15:13
| <dscape> | have to make it super simple looking |
| 22:15:20
| <mikeal> | yeah, this shit is low level, might want to use something a bit up the stack |
| 22:15:47
| <dscape> | maybe i need to write my own |
| 22:15:54
| <mikeal> | maybe |
| 22:15:54
| <dscape> | module to show kids a simple api |
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| <mikeal> | if you are going to get in to sorting |
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| <dscape> | really i wanted something like |
| 22:16:13
| <mikeal> | i would suggest bytewise |
| 22:16:25
| <mikeal> | cause it's harder to wrap your head around slicing without arrays |
| 22:16:36
| <mikeal> | if you're trying to hack it with strings it's just even more complicated |
| 22:17:27
| <mikeal> | like |
| 22:17:33
| <mikeal> | you're trying to show nesting |
| 22:17:37
| <mikeal> | without a fucking nest :) |
| 22:18:15
| <mikeal> | also |
| 22:18:20
| <mikeal> | if you're just teaching the basics |
| 22:18:24
| <mikeal> | stick with unique keys |
| 22:18:30
| <mikeal> | and just write a little document store |
| 22:18:33
| <mikeal> | that's SUPER simple |
| 22:18:40
| <mikeal> | don't need to understand any of this hsit |
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| <dscape> | mikeal: they are basically building that ranking example i said |
| 22:19:07
| <dscape> | athletes race multiple races |
| 22:19:13
| <dscape> | and they want to do a phone app |
| 22:19:19
| <dscape> | that alerts them when they get beaten |
| 22:19:20
| <dscape> | lol |
| 22:19:26
| <mikeal> | that could still be unique |
| 22:19:35
| <dscape> | also, they decided scraping is cool |
| 22:19:40
| <mikeal> | just make it ["athleteName", "raceID"] |
| 22:19:52
| <mikeal> | should use bytewise in this case tho |
| 22:19:53
| <dscape> | cause coding for a 12 year old that knows nothing is easy aparently :P |
| 22:20:12
| <dscape> | well, but i need order by time |
| 22:20:22
| <dscape> | but that works |
| 22:20:28
| <dscape> | just a more complex index |
| 22:20:35
| <dscape> | its like showing the guts and stuff |
| 22:20:59
| <mikeal> | the guts are still on display cause it's still being worked out |
| 22:21:10
| <mikeal> | if there were lots of higher order things already i'd be scared |
| 22:21:11
| <dscape> | ideally i would want |
| 22:22:46
| <dscape> | range(function (doc) { return 'athlete:u17:w:100dash' }, {type: 'string', collation: 'base'}) |
| 22:22:59
| <dscape> | and then just query that by whatever i called it :) |
| 22:23:32
| <dscape> | range.query('athlete:u17:w:100dash') // sorted list, accounting for dups |
| 22:23:33
| <mikeal> | yeah, you could have that, but better |
| 22:23:39
| <mikeal> | dude, use arrays |
| 22:23:42
| <mikeal> | :) |
| 22:23:57
| <dscape> | is there anything like this? |
| 22:23:58
| <mikeal> | seriously, you're going to get them stuck in string slice hell |
| 22:24:08
| <mikeal> | it's like 10 lines of code |
| 22:24:21
| <mikeal> | lemme write this for you real quick |
| 22:24:22
| <dscape> | i can see that - you are right |
| 22:24:30
| <dscape> | i just want them to understand what they are programing |
| 22:25:12
| <dscape> | mikeal: did you see my latest blog post? |
| 22:25:20
| <dscape> | url minimizer with leveldb :P |
| 22:25:29
| <dscape> | got a bunch of hits cause got famous on hackernews |
| 22:25:38
| <dscape> | no idea how though, i thought i was in the black list |
| 22:26:34
| <mikeal> | i saw the docker one |
| 22:27:58
| <dscape> | yup, features a node app with level + a dinosaur in a spaceship |
| 22:28:48
| <dscape> | mikeal max would love to teach these kids |
| 22:28:54
| <dscape> | its 8-16 year old |
| 22:28:57
| <dscape> | using public apis |
| 22:29:07
| <mikeal> | gimme like 5 more minutes, i'll have your index for you |
| 22:29:10
| <dscape> | to do good :D |
| 22:29:13
| <dscape> | its awesome |
| 22:29:27
| <dscape> | awesomesauce |
| 22:29:27
| <jerrysv> | heya dscape |
| 22:29:33
| <dscape> | hey jerrysv |
| 22:29:34
| <dscape> | :) |
| 22:29:39
| <dscape> | how's portland? |
| 22:29:54
| <jerrysv> | dscape: awesome :) how have you been? |
| 22:30:01
| <dscape> | good, wet |
| 22:30:03
| <dscape> | both |
| 22:30:03
| <dscape> | :) |
| 22:30:07
| <dscape> | (london) |
| 22:30:13
| <jerrysv> | not wet here, what's going on in london? |
| 22:30:24
| <dscape> | hot weather, tropical rain |
| 22:30:30
| <dscape> | aparently its a thing in london too |
| 22:30:57
| <jerrysv> | are you coming to rtc? |
| 22:31:08
| <dscape> | jerrysv: nop |
| 22:31:11
| <jerrysv> | bummer |
| 22:31:23
| <dscape> | im trying to fly less |
| 22:31:49
| <jerrysv> | don't blame you - i took a moratorium when laurie and i moved |
| 22:32:03
| <jerrysv> | jsconf was the exception, because jsconf |
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| <dscape> | it was pretty epic |
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| <mikeal> | dscape: https://github.com/mikeal/dscape-mind-explosion-database |
| 22:39:42
| <mikeal> | also, npm install dscape-mind-explosion-database |
| 22:39:46
| <dscape> | mikeal: ROFL |
| 22:39:52
| <dscape> | my students are going to love that name |
| 22:39:53
| <dscape> | ahah |
| 22:40:04
| <dscape> | they are like |
| 22:40:15
| <mikeal> | whoops, forgot to push readme |
| 22:40:18
| <mikeal> | done |
| 22:40:18
| <dscape> | "how many followers do you have on twitter? more than a 100?" |
| 22:40:20
| <dscape> | lol |
| 22:40:29
| <dscape> | and "do you work for a bank or something? |
| 22:40:37
| <dscape> | its awesome |
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| <rvagg> | mikeal: https://github.com/rvagg/node-levelup/wiki/Resources some presentations you can pull stuff from for your talk tomorrow at change.org |
| 22:41:15
| <mikeal> | that db is a little different than what you said, the writes are a little more flexible |
| 22:41:29
| <mikeal> | i'll add you as a committer so you can improve it as you wish |
| 22:42:10
| <mikeal> | rvagg: i found those, thanks tho :) |
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| 22:45:28
| <mikeal> | dscape: go ahead and add all the sugar that you think you'll need to teach with |
| 22:45:34
| <mikeal> | you're a collaborator on the project now |
| 22:45:41
| <mikeal> | how do i give you access to publish to npm? |
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| 22:46:48
| <dscape> | mikeal: npm addsomething |
| 22:46:51
| <dscape> | i always forget |
| 22:46:55
| <nathan7> | mikeal: npm owner add <username> <pkg> |
| 22:47:12
| <dscape> | npm owner add <username> <pkg> |
| 22:47:15
| <nathan7> | too late q= |
| 22:47:19
| <mikeal> | done |
| 22:47:52
| <mikeal> | that should be enough to answer all your "how do do i do this" questions |
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| <dscape> | mikeal: did you try the docker stuff? |
| 22:51:09
| <mikeal> | nope |
| 22:51:09
| <dscape> | it will blow your mind |
| 22:51:14
| <mikeal> | i don't have much interest in it |
| 22:51:20
| <dscape> | yet* :) |
| 22:51:20
| <mikeal> | it doesn't solve a problem i really have |
| 22:51:28
| <dscape> | its a problem everyone has |
| 22:51:33
| <mikeal> | my only dependency on a machine is node |
| 22:51:42
| <mikeal> | so all that machine management stuff isn't very useful |
| 22:51:55
| <dscape> | you dont use anything else? |
| 22:52:00
| <dscape> | or scale your node process? |
| 22:52:01
| <dscape> | or balance it |
| 22:52:04
| <dscape> | or terminate ssl? |
| 22:52:14
| <mikeal> | i load balance, with my load balancer, which is also node |
| 22:52:25
| <mikeal> | http://github.com/mikeal/hostproxy |
| 22:52:34
| <dscape> | no websockets i guess? |
| 22:52:38
| <dscape> | also no scaling ? |
| 22:52:50
| <dscape> | i guess if thats the case |
| 22:52:55
| <dscape> | it makes sense for you not to care |
| 22:53:07
| <dscape> | but this is awesome, e.g. installing couchdb properly configured |
| 22:53:11
| <dscape> | in seconds |
| 22:53:16
| <dscape> | behind stuf |
| 22:53:22
| <dscape> | with docker pull dscape/couchdb |
| 22:53:32
| <dscape> | s/stuf/stud/ |
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| <mikeal> | we use engine.io but websockets are off |
| 22:56:45
| <mikeal> | but even if they were, i wouldn't need this |
| 22:57:05
| <mikeal> | couchdb is relagated to far off place in our infrastructure |
| 22:57:10
| <mikeal> | because it's like nothing else |
| 22:57:20
| <mikeal> | and i'm just waiting for the day that i can get rid of it, but that's a ways out still |
| 22:58:02
| <dscape> | mikeal: im using primus for ws now |
| 22:58:08
| <dscape> | its strange to have an abstraction on top |
| 22:58:17
| <dscape> | but once i started using it i liked it |
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| 22:58:24
| <dscape> | cause i stopped worrying about compatability |
| 22:58:26
| <mikeal> | engine.io has been great |
| 22:58:28
| <dscape> | the api is always the same |
| 22:58:32
| <dscape> | arnout does the work |
| 22:58:32
| <mikeal> | just a stream |
| 22:58:32
| <dscape> | lol |
| 22:58:44
| <mikeal> | we have like 10 libraries on top of it that do all the real work |
| 22:58:51
| <mikeal> | but it's much more understandable |
| 22:59:11
| <dscape> | sounds like primus then |
| 22:59:31
| <dscape> | have you read, start small, stay small? |
| 22:59:39
| <dscape> | that's how im doing tasks these days |
| 22:59:43
| <dscape> | task avoidance |
| 22:59:50
| <dscape> | by delegation |
| 23:00:13
| <mikeal> | sounds like how i live my life |
| 23:00:36
| <dscape> | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dzvz1j3h4Xk |
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| <mikeal> | Raynos: i think you're trying to calm me down by confirming my paranoia is correct :) |
| 23:35:06
| <Raynos> | mikeal: ? |
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| <mikeal> | on the nodejs mailing list :) |
| 23:35:25
| <Raynos> | mikeal: yes |
| 23:35:29
| <Raynos> | you cant use generators for both types |
| 23:35:38
| <mikeal> | well, you *can*, that's the concern :) |
| 23:35:39
| <Raynos> | I tried to do that :p and my head exploded |
| 23:35:54
| <Raynos> | like wouldn't it be nice if I could `for (var v of stream())` and then I realised :( |
| 23:36:25
| <mikeal> | that's the kind of stuff i used to run in to in tests in the Mozilla codebase |
| 23:36:31
| <mikeal> | like 5 years ago |
| 23:36:50
| <Raynos> | yeah that sounds like rage |
| 23:37:06
| <mikeal> | that kinda ruined me |
| 23:37:10
| <mikeal> | i've calmed down a lot |
| 23:37:34
| <mikeal> | but i was *really* against them in ES6 because in the entire code base you'd be hard pressed to find a usage of them where it made the code not worse |
| 23:37:38
| <mikeal> | but then i realized |
| 23:37:44
| <mikeal> | that's not necessarily the fault of generators |
| 23:37:59
| <mikeal> | probably the fault of C programmers writing really bad javascript |
| 23:38:18
| <mikeal> | and not necessarily indicative of what javascript programmers will do with them |
| 23:39:29
| <Raynos> | I dont actually understand |
| 23:39:37
| <Raynos> | how you can use generators for the both types in the same module |
| 23:39:51
| <Raynos> | I would assume that iterators get used for the sync style |
| 23:40:00
| <Raynos> | and generator functions get used for the async style (wrapped in some kind of thing) |
| 23:40:27
| <Raynos> | mikeal: I think this problem can be solved by having the community push for wrapping generators, right now co, suspend & pals all do things like `asyncLib(function* () {})` |
| 23:40:53
| <mikeal> | you're kind of saying "the community should not do clever things for no reason" |
| 23:41:05
| <mikeal> | and realize that you're talking people who *love* being clever |
| 23:41:53
| <mikeal> | example: in engine.io they use a function exports but they reset the __proto to the original exports object |
| 23:42:02
| <mikeal> | so, they export a function that has not call() or apply() method |
| 23:42:07
| <mikeal> | cause…. clever |
| 23:42:20
| <mikeal> | programmers are not to be trusted :) |
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