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01:16:44  <mus1cb0x>hi everyone, i just found koa.js
01:16:49  <mus1cb0x>:)
01:17:22  <TheAceOfHearts>hi
01:17:48  <mus1cb0x>i just decided to do all further web dev with js using node
01:18:01  <mus1cb0x>evaluating minimal frameworks now. tested express so far
01:18:11  <mus1cb0x>i saw koa's from the express team also?
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01:32:31  <mus1cb0x>anyone around able to help someone new to koa/express?
01:39:15  <bloctoc>crickets
01:42:01  <mus1cb0x>yea no joke hee
01:42:10  <mus1cb0x>i wonder why the channel is so dead
01:42:16  <mus1cb0x>a new framework should be buzzing with activity no?
01:43:30  <TheAceOfHearts>well
01:43:40  <TheAceOfHearts>it requires using node 0.11
01:43:44  <TheAceOfHearts>which isn't stable
01:43:52  <mus1cb0x>how old is .11 ?
01:43:58  <TheAceOfHearts>idk
01:44:56  <mus1cb0x>https://github.com/joyent/node/tree/v0.11.0-release
01:45:06  <mus1cb0x>over a year old
01:45:34  <TheAceOfHearts>looks like it
01:46:11  <mus1cb0x>https://github.com/joyent/node/tree/v0.11.13-release
01:46:19  <mus1cb0x>may 1
01:46:34  <mus1cb0x>https://github.com/joyent/node/wiki/ES6-%28a.k.a.-Harmony%29-Features-Implemented-in-V8-and-Available-in-Node
01:46:37  <TheAceOfHearts>0.11 isn't stable, 0.10 is stable
01:46:41  <mus1cb0x>i know
01:46:50  <mus1cb0x>does that mean we shouldn't use it tho?
01:46:56  <TheAceOfHearts>and koa requires using —harmony flag as well
01:46:58  <mus1cb0x>if it means i can use harmony why not
01:47:01  <mus1cb0x>yea
01:47:09  <TheAceOfHearts>well, you can use it.
01:47:11  <mus1cb0x>that's what i'm saying. node .11, harmony, and koa
01:47:12  <TheAceOfHearts>nobody will stop you
01:47:34  <mus1cb0x>http://blog.alexmaccaw.com/how-yield-will-transform-node
01:47:41  <TheAceOfHearts>I love yield
01:47:43  <TheAceOfHearts>and koa
01:47:56  <TheAceOfHearts>all I'm saying is that it's not stable per node's perspective
01:48:03  <mus1cb0x>i understand that
01:48:09  <mus1cb0x>you run 11.13?
01:48:45  <TheAceOfHearts>I only use node for fun; I've hacked on a few koa projects… I use 0.11.13 for em, yeah
01:48:55  <TheAceOfHearts>I don't use it in my job, though
01:49:36  <mus1cb0x>is koa a hands down improvement over express? or is it debatable
01:49:54  <TheAceOfHearts>well, it depends. I dunno
01:50:17  <TheAceOfHearts>I think there is a performance hit between koa and express, since yield isn't really optimized very well in V8, for being newer
01:50:54  <TheAceOfHearts>https://github.com/koajs/koa/blob/master/docs/koa-vs-express.md#is-koa-faster-than-express
01:51:00  <TheAceOfHearts>close enough, imo
01:51:31  <TheAceOfHearts>I think the gain in readability makes it worthwhile
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01:55:42  <mus1cb0x>Is Koa faster than Express?
01:55:45  <mus1cb0x>what are those numbers?
01:55:49  <mus1cb0x>shitty graph hehe
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01:56:18  <TheAceOfHearts>I think it's like requests per second or something, where higher is better
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02:08:53  <mus1cb0x>ty
02:09:20  <mus1cb0x>i'm gonna do my first proj in express and es5/current, just so i can understand the differences with koa and es6.
02:09:28  <mus1cb0x>i'll be back in a few months
02:09:34  <TheAceOfHearts>sure thing
02:09:36  <mus1cb0x>see ya in #node.js :P
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02:09:38  <TheAceOfHearts>well
02:09:42  <TheAceOfHearts>oh well
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02:53:51  <LeXXik>hmm, what was that? :)
02:54:24  <TheAceOfHearts>some noise amongst the crickets
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