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18:53:57  <mck->Question: I have an Express app that runs the httpServer. Is it possible to mount a koajs app on top of this Express app, and not fire up another httpServer? I.e. share same port?
18:57:05  <mck->Would I just include the entire koa app as a middleware in Express?
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21:21:47  <iamdustan>hunterlo_: ping
21:22:14  <hunterlo_>iamdustan: hey how's it going?
21:22:32  <iamdustan>good. just looking at react's home page.
21:22:33  <iamdustan>Lots of people use React as the V in MVC. Since React makes no assumptions about the rest of your technology stack, it's easy to try it out on a small feature in an existing project.
21:22:43  <iamdustan>so how big is react to only cover the view layer?
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21:30:47  <hunterlo_>depends on how you build it
21:30:54  <hunterlo_>with the full build I think it's like 93k
21:30:57  <hunterlo_>1s let me check
21:31:12  <hunterlo_>(that gets smaller if you pass a production flag to the build step)
21:31:53  <iamdustan>daaang.
21:31:56  <hunterlo_>http://dragon.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/851571_445305712258225_30808_n.js
21:32:18  <iamdustan>although my current opinion doesn't care as much about js file size as it once did.
21:32:35  <hunterlo_>Yeah what's 94k really? One fewer (tiny) image.
21:33:19  <hunterlo_>And the way it does the V in MVC lets you speed up a lot of other things
21:33:47  <hunterlo_>For example, it's easy to build a full version of a page on the server, so the user is viewing something before the JS has even downloaded.
21:33:56  <hunterlo_>Then the JS initializes and brings the page 'to life' transparently.
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21:40:34  <iamdustan>that alone is a killer feature
21:41:28  <iamdustan>my two biggest feature requests on client-side apps are 1. handles the URL properly. 2. Server-rendering first then js to make it live.
21:48:09  <justicefries>I'm using React in production.
21:48:14  <justicefries>and Angular, for that matter.
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21:58:52  <iamdustan>justicefries: on the same project or different?
21:58:59  <iamdustan>i'm using angular on a project currently
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22:02:14  <justicefries>separate projects.
22:02:45  <justicefries>both using koa
22:02:48  <justicefries>I'm working on an angular/browserify generator right now actually.
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22:16:07  <iamdustan>I want an angular/nodify generator.
22:18:36  <justicefries>the IDE? how is it?
22:22:39  <dlau>im using koa w/ browserify too :D
22:22:45  <dlau>err lol
22:22:48  <dlau>koa w/ react i mean
22:24:15  <dlau>rendering normal pages with jade templates and small portions of each page using react
22:29:52  <justicefries>yup.
22:30:39  <justicefries>i definitely like both the React + routing/model libraries and the Angular side.
22:30:47  <justicefries>using koa in production has been incredible.
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22:33:05  <dlau>im not using it in production yet, but i am running generators w/ express
22:33:25  <dlau>wrapping everything w/ co
22:34:39  <justicefries>I had a lot of trouble with that, sounds like you got way farther than I did.
22:34:50  <justicefries>it was mostly the routes, req, res, enxt
22:36:22  <roryf>n00b question: do I have to run node with the --harmony flag? none of the examples or documentation mention this but it's the only way I can get node 0.11.11 to parse function *(next)
22:36:31  <dlau>it was a little tricky, but pretty simple
22:36:44  <dlau>you gotta use --harmony or --harmony-generators
22:37:12  <roryf>cool, thanks
22:38:13  <dlau>--harmony enables a bunch of ES6 features (I think all?), while --harmony-generators is just for generators
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22:44:33  <justicefries>also roryf use 0.11.10
22:44:41  <justicefries>0.11.11 breaks natively compiled modules
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