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16:58:37  <virmitio>today's xkcd makes me sad
17:23:48  <auroraeosrose>why
17:24:27  <virmitio>because I have worked with end-users not unlike the one displayed
17:25:29  <virmitio>where part of their daily work was dependent upon a bug in the software
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17:26:01  <virmitio>in most of these instances, they required the bug to use the software for a purpose it was never designed or intended to do
17:26:45  <virmitio>when the company I worked for at the time patched the bug, it was to close a hole which could have been a legal issue for many customers
17:27:06  <auroraeosrose>LOL
17:27:10  <auroraeosrose>yeah.... and then they whine
17:27:56  <virmitio>I spent weeks on the phone with various customers explaining why the bug was corrected, why it was a bug in the first place, and why using the software in the way that they had been places them at legal risk from their clients
17:27:59  <madewokherd>solution: don't put bugs in your software
17:29:07  <virmitio>We hadn't even realized it was there until a customer called and asked me for help on how to "use" that "feature" because her supervisor was out and hadn't explained it to her yet
17:29:17  <auroraeosrose>adorable
17:30:18  <virmitio>I was tech support at the time. the dev team actually had a remarkable turnaround time on fixing that issue. new version was out a week after I reported it.
17:31:54  <auroraeosrose>I'm desperately trying to decide if there was a point to this or not
17:32:00  <ender`>virmitio: yup, today's xkcd hit home
17:32:02  <auroraeosrose>I have a C api with two almost identical calls
17:32:45  <auroraeosrose>one returns a void *, one has a void * as an out parameter and returns void
17:32:51  <auroraeosrose>is it just me... or is this stupid?
17:33:03  <virmitio>auroraeosrose: if you give the same inputs to both, do you end up with the same outputs?
17:33:18  <auroraeosrose>virmitio: yeah, seriously
17:33:26  * virmitioblinks
17:33:40  <virmitio>um...
17:33:47  <auroraeosrose>the difference is one does void * functioncall(blah) and the other is void funtioncall(void *, blah)
17:33:51  <virmitio>yeah, I have no answers for that one
17:33:55  <auroraeosrose>and I'm wtfing
17:34:12  <auroraeosrose>how do you want to get your pointer appears to be the question
17:34:20  <virmitio>does one call the other internally?
17:34:25  * virmitiohopes so
17:34:47  <auroraeosrose>no
17:34:51  * auroraeosrosebangs head on table
17:34:59  <auroraeosrose>well, this was the sanity check
17:35:05  <auroraeosrose>which says - wtf we're removing the one api
17:35:07  <auroraeosrose>cause damn
17:35:08  <auroraeosrose>no
17:35:12  <auroraeosrose>not doing this
17:39:50  <madewokherd>I'm trying to think of a situation where you might not be able to get a void* result
17:40:48  <auroraeosrose>eh, I think this is just sloppy coding ;)
17:40:50  <madewokherd>but even if you're VB6 and can't do cdecl, I don't think this helps you..
17:41:13  <auroraeosrose>also - should have error handling
17:41:14  <auroraeosrose>blargh
17:41:20  <auroraeosrose>sloppy C coders should be shot ;)
17:41:43  <virmitio>lucky for me, I don't do C yet, so I'm safe for a bit
17:42:10  <auroraeosrose>hehe
17:42:12  <virmitio>at the very least, I don't actively work in C enough to matter right now
17:42:26  <auroraeosrose>I'm ... a slightly anal programmer on the best of days
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17:43:13  <auroraeosrose>oh I know, I made that too easy
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20:28:30  <heathers1>any recommendations for SVN on visual studio, or should i just install visualSVN and have done with it?
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21:14:12  <auroraeosrose>tortoisesvn is far nicer
21:14:19  <auroraeosrose>than anything inside visual studio
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