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15:05:12  <FearTheCowboy>FYI, there *will* be a CoApp Conf Call this morning, same time as usual... More big news today.
15:06:24  <FearTheCowboy>I've got a tricky day timing-wise this morning... I'm banking on finding a starbucks I can drop into to make the conf call.
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15:37:26  <madewokherd>so, I need to list all the old major.minor combinations in compatability-policy/versions, right?
15:37:58  <virmitio>I don't think so, just the min-version to superceed
15:41:05  <virmitio>then omit the "versions" section of the "compatability-policy" rule
15:42:30  <madewokherd>oh, also: new glib, atk, gtk+, and SDL.. whenever you get around to it
15:42:49  <madewokherd>and my coapp service just crashed
15:43:09  <virmitio>right...
15:43:23  <virmitio>new plan: scrap the world and try again
15:43:33  <madewokherd>looks like wer has grabbed some files, including a minidump
15:47:20  <madewokherd>I guess let me know if you want the wer report files
15:48:10  <virmitio>madewokherd: so, did you push up to the CoApp branch on all of those projects?
15:48:27  <madewokherd>yes
15:48:44  <madewokherd>or so my notes claim
15:48:51  <virmitio>hmm
15:54:06  <virmitio>ah, I see
15:54:36  <virmitio>when the site had issues a few days ago, it also killed the upload permissions for pushing new packages
15:55:54  <madewokherd>I think maybe ptk is failing to elevate when it needs to install a dependency
15:58:36  <madewokherd>or maybe not..
16:01:19  <virmitio>madewokherd: SDL build failed on the build server. log: http://coappbuild.virmitio.com/trigger/?log=SDL
16:01:47  <madewokherd>yeah you need a directx sdk
16:04:57  <madewokherd>site is down
16:05:14  <madewokherd>and now it's back
16:06:40  <virmitio>I'll talk with FearTheCowboy about it when he gets back to a desk. among the growing list of things we need to look into are alternative setups for the website.
16:11:01  <madewokherd>bah, I keep forgetting to update the CoApp branch before doing things
16:11:37  <madewokherd>pixman update pushed
16:12:03  <virmitio>automation saw it and is building
16:12:05  <madewokherd>sorry about the history
16:12:43  <virmitio>really doesn't matter any to me or the automation
16:13:30  <madewokherd>someone may be annoyed by it someday
16:14:57  <virmitio>sucks to be them?
17:10:18  * madewokherdguesses the "build automation can't upload packages" thing still applies
17:12:35  <virmitio>it's actually more of a "files can't be uploaded at all" issue at the moment
17:13:09  <virmitio>however, FearTheCowboy just arrived so I expect that problem to be rectified in the near future
17:14:03  <virmitio>also, Weekly Conf Call 10:30 PDT (17 mins from now) Connect w/Lync Attendee http://j.mp/KP0Zht to http://j.mp/MsWUKA Join Anytime
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18:44:12  <madewokherd>guess I'm not getting my glib/atk updates today :(
18:46:28  <virmitio>I can put the files up elsewhere for you to grab by hand, but I can't do much about the standard feed right now
18:47:41  <virmitio>temp location of all recent packages: ftp://virmitio.com/CoApp/
18:48:11  <virmitio>it's not set up as an atom feed location, so I'm not sure you can plug it into CoApp directly at the moment
18:48:16  * virmitiohasn't tried yet
19:04:29  <madewokherd>well, I've grabbed atk and glib, that should be enough
19:15:39  <madewokherd>except apparently I missed a header in glib
19:17:32  <madewokherd>or someone didn't update the build files properly..
19:21:30  <madewokherd>yep, not my fault, not that it matters..
19:29:36  <madewokherd>oh, apparently if the product and version of two packages are equal and the pkt are different, I can't install them both at once
19:29:57  <madewokherd>at least not by running the msi
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19:57:37  <virmitio>madewokherd: glib packages are at the temp location
20:38:37  <madewokherd>hmm, I may have screwed up with cairo just now :/
20:39:26  <madewokherd>it's unclear whether cairo and cairo-gobject are supposed to be the same library
20:39:27  <virmitio>does that mean you don't want these shiny new package files?
20:39:35  <madewokherd>not sure
20:40:15  <madewokherd>I guess I do
20:41:49  <virmitio>they're up
20:41:55  <madewokherd>(I tried building cairo-gobject as a separate library, but it was using internal cairo functions, and now it seems gtk3 wants to use cairo-gobject separately)
20:42:37  <virmitio>is always possible that they're expecting to get built at the same time, but get used seperately
20:42:38  <madewokherd>so I don't know if they're accidentally exporting those functions on unix or what..
20:43:09  <madewokherd>well, I can't link to it if it's not exported from the dll
20:47:59  <virmitio>suppose you could just add a define to the front that you define in a config file that expands to either nothing (for posix) or to a cdecl export, then plug the define in front of every relevant function
20:48:16  <virmitio>there's another library that did that
20:48:22  <virmitio>might've been aspell
20:49:15  <madewokherd>I'd rather wait and get in a shouting match if/when someone shows up who cares
20:50:24  <madewokherd>I mean, I'd have to split it back out into its own project just to figure out which functions are causing the problem
20:52:23  <madewokherd>apparently debian never packaged this..
20:53:29  <madewokherd>ah, they did in a newer release, and they separated it somehow
20:56:28  <madewokherd>yeah, I think I screwed this up
20:57:32  <madewokherd>which means I can either revert it now (and hopefully we'll never have an official package with that in it) or break compatability later
20:59:30  <madewokherd>virmitio: if I revert that change now, will it actually prevent it from showing up in a package on the website?
20:59:59  <virmitio>only in the sense that I would drop the package from the set to be uploaded
21:00:30  <madewokherd>I'm going to do that then
21:00:35  <madewokherd>sorry
21:00:36  <virmitio>I'm not going to kill it from the archive on the build server unless you've got a really compelling reason, but nobody would be able to get to it
21:00:39  <virmitio>no worries
21:01:05  <virmitio>just make sure that you also rev the version to something higher than .4 for the corrected version
21:02:12  <virmitio>.4 is yanked from the temp location and the pending uploads
21:04:51  <madewokherd>pushed
21:11:06  <madewokherd>oh, I know what they did
21:11:33  <madewokherd>or I did
21:11:35  <madewokherd>or someone
21:12:54  <madewokherd>somehow the new project must have been naming the external symbols differently
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