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17:18:39  <ender|>Windows 8 is on MSDN
17:23:07  <ender|>(but the download links don't work)
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18:34:43  <auroraeosrose>mumble - silly way PHP works with header files for extensions you need a bunch of boilerplate crap but might have a public api.... sigh phooey
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18:48:46  <FearTheCowboy>Hmmm. MSVCRT.LIB now ships with Visual Studio 2012. Isn't that kind of interesting
18:57:35  <auroraeosrose1>oh rly
18:57:37  <auroraeosrose1>for the love of
18:57:39  <auroraeosrose1>silly MS
18:58:01  <auroraeosrose1>mumble mumble
18:58:05  <auroraeosrose1>sxs lib?
19:00:44  <FearTheCowboy>aw, c'mon I just got back from vacation! ... still getting the RTM Win8/VS2012 workin'
19:00:53  <auroraeosrose1>I'm not going down that path yet
19:00:57  * auroraeosrose1changed nick to auroraeosrose
19:01:09  <virmitio>now kids, play nice
19:01:11  <auroraeosrose>looks like vast quantities of stuff are building good now
19:02:26  * auroraeosrosegives virmitio cookies
19:02:33  <auroraeosrose>if I can haz gtk moar cookies?
19:03:01  * auroraeosroseis happy for glib
19:03:28  <auroraeosrose>the javascript seems to be broked on the package listing though
19:04:14  <auroraeosrose>re2c is poifect
19:04:20  * auroraeosrosenow has coapp re2c on all systems
19:04:22  <auroraeosrose>HAHAHAHAHA
19:05:02  <virmitio>auroraeosrose: glad to hear it. I haven't so much as glanced at re2c since I pushed it up except to grab a copy to use in building php
19:05:09  <auroraeosrose>virmitio: it's great
19:05:13  <auroraeosrose>bison - um not so much
19:05:23  <auroraeosrose>I copied the files where it wanted them and that worked
19:05:28  <auroraeosrose>but probably not a good long term solution
19:05:31  <virmitio>well, it's kindof it's own batch of dumb
19:05:49  <virmitio>I'll be rebuilding it properly later
19:06:03  <auroraeosrose>LOL
19:06:10  <auroraeosrose>also the glib stuff should be doable 64 bit
19:06:22  * auroraeosrosewatches virmitio pass out
19:06:24  <virmitio>right now I'm going to settle for half-function while I get the other big-ticket items my corp overlords wish to see
19:06:29  <auroraeosrose>LOL
19:07:29  <auroraeosrose>when gsoc project is useable I want to try to bundle up packages I know are easy to build
19:07:35  * auroraeosrosehops up and down
19:07:37  <auroraeosrose>is it done?
19:07:51  * auroraeosrosehas been on vacation for like 3 days out of 4 for last 3 weeks
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19:08:07  <virmitio>auroraeosrose: if you'd like to grab the tree for glib and adjust the .buildinfo and such to also crank out x64, I wouldn't complain
19:08:24  <auroraeosrose>I'll take a look
19:08:27  <auroraeosrose>should be too hard
19:08:33  <auroraeosrose>they're actually doing mingw 64 builds
19:08:36  * auroraeosroseshudders
19:08:43  <auroraeosrose>shouldn't
19:08:44  <auroraeosrose>sigh
19:09:26  <auroraeosrose>hmmm, but are the all the deps 64 already
19:10:14  <auroraeosrose>or is that the one with the stupid naming that needs to be fixed... hmmmm
19:10:38  <virmitio>you could always try telling it to build x64 and see what happens
19:10:52  <auroraeosrose>yup
19:10:56  <virmitio>sorry, I can't actually remember when I last looked at that package
19:18:54  <auroraeosrose>LOL
19:20:58  <FearTheCowboy>Love that "windows.h" is now found in "C:\Program Files (x86)\Windows Kits\8.0\Include\um" ... um, what?? LOL (I assume 'um' is usermode)
19:21:00  <FearTheCowboy>FFS
19:21:05  <FearTheCowboy>they are gonna break EVERYTHING
19:21:28  <auroraeosrose>that's a stupid place to put it
19:21:39  <auroraeosrose>also - windows kits?
19:21:48  <auroraeosrose>it was always in microsoft/sdks before
19:21:50  <FearTheCowboy>C:\root\coapp\devtools\output\any\debug\bin>dir "C:\Program Files (x86)\Windows Kits\8.0\Include
19:21:51  <FearTheCowboy> Volume in drive C has no label.
19:21:51  <FearTheCowboy> Volume Serial Number is CE4E-8A57
19:21:51  <FearTheCowboy> Directory of C:\Program Files (x86)\Windows Kits\8.0\Include
19:21:51  <FearTheCowboy>08/14/2012 11:19 AM <DIR> .
19:21:51  <FearTheCowboy>08/14/2012 11:19 AM <DIR> ..
19:21:51  <FearTheCowboy>08/14/2012 11:20 AM <DIR> km
19:21:51  <auroraeosrose>wtfery abounds
19:21:52  <FearTheCowboy>08/14/2012 11:20 AM <DIR> shared
19:21:52  <FearTheCowboy>08/14/2012 11:19 AM <DIR> um
19:21:53  <FearTheCowboy>08/14/2012 11:19 AM <DIR> wdf
19:21:53  <FearTheCowboy>08/14/2012 11:07 AM <DIR> WinRT
19:22:11  <FearTheCowboy>I believe the correct term is "Dafuq I just read?"
19:22:12  <vpovirk>micrometers
19:22:33  <FearTheCowboy>on the upside, they finally cleaned up and unfied the way that all windows SDKs install.
19:22:46  <virmitio>obviously wdf == "WhaDaFuq?"
19:22:52  <FearTheCowboy>ROFL
19:23:23  <auroraeosrose>FearTheCowboy: that is a good thing but - holy owie batman
19:23:36  <auroraeosrose>however, when we faux pack stuff we should make old and busted obey new hotness
19:23:41  <FearTheCowboy>auroraeosrose, remember all that f'ing chaos that changing the SDK from the 'feb2003' model to the new one caused... here we go again!
19:23:51  <FearTheCowboy>auroraeosrose -> ooh, good point.
19:24:02  <auroraeosrose>FearTheCowboy: seriously, coapp haz the control
19:24:08  <auroraeosrose>let's make the old shit non-stupid eh ;)
19:24:13  <FearTheCowboy>or better yet, just create stuff in /apps/lib/* and /apps/include/* etc....
19:24:22  <FearTheCowboy>and fix it once and for all
19:24:23  <auroraeosrose>that too?
19:24:28  <auroraeosrose>as long as it's versioned ;)
19:24:32  <auroraeosrose>we be good
19:24:33  <FearTheCowboy>yeah
19:24:40  <virmitio>one include to rule them all
19:25:05  <FearTheCowboy>hmmm.
19:25:10  <FearTheCowboy>that's a really really really good idea.
19:25:19  <auroraeosrose>we be doing that
19:25:23  <auroraeosrose>coapp install dev-tools
19:25:24  <auroraeosrose>WANT
19:25:39  <virmitio>I'm gonna go cry in a corner now
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19:33:42  <virmitio>some days, one really needs a special kind of drink: http://bit.ly/TFlluq
19:42:55  <auroraeosrose>snarf
19:43:17  <virmitio>for the record, it has already been established that I am not a nice person
19:53:53  <auroraeosrose>** (process:10578): CRITICAL **: g_irepository_get_c_prefix: assertion `typelib != NULL' failed
19:53:53  <auroraeosrose>Segmentation fault (core dumped)
19:54:05  <auroraeosrose>well that answers the question of "what happens when the namespace isn't loaded
19:54:09  <auroraeosrose>that's a GREAT api there
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20:11:44  <ender|>hmm, no Windows 8 Pro for MSDN subscribers?
20:11:58  <FearTheCowboy>There should be.
20:12:04  <FearTheCowboy>I'm waiting to get mine renew'd
20:12:25  <vpovirk>whoa, what?
20:12:31  <ender|>there's Windows 8 and Windows 8 Enterprise, while Windows 8 Pro is VL only
20:12:39  <auroraeosrose>ok weird
20:12:43  <vpovirk>I don't have to buy windows 8?
20:12:49  <virmitio>lol
20:12:56  <auroraeosrose>not if you coapp LALALALA
20:13:00  <auroraeosrose>how is the naming though
20:13:22  <auroraeosrose>for example it was win 7 enterprise that was volume licensed but win 7 ultimate was "the best" (non-crippled)
20:13:29  <auroraeosrose>hate this version crap
20:15:15  <ender|>well, Win8 now only has "Windows 8", "Windows 8 Pro" and "Windows 8 Enterprise"
20:15:40  <vpovirk>wasn't there a "Windows 8 RT" or something?
20:17:13  <ender|>yes, for Arm
20:18:24  <ender|>hmm, and it's the same on TechNet - Windows 8 and Windows 8 Enterprise are available, but Pro is VL only
20:18:31  <vpovirk>so, what does Pro have that the other two are missing?
20:18:48  <ender|>i can't even attempt an upgrade to enterprise
20:19:34  <ender|>(which should be possible with Pro)
20:21:55  <auroraeosrose>maybe cause they're giving away the 90 trials of enterprise to all?
20:23:29  <FearTheCowboy>ender| -> it's the same .ISO for pro and regular...
20:23:34  <FearTheCowboy>is there not a way to get a Pro key?
20:24:03  <virmitio>there's a pro key available, but no install media
20:24:17  <FearTheCowboy>same media
20:24:29  <auroraeosrose>weirdo
20:24:32  <ender|>oh
20:24:34  <FearTheCowboy>the Windows 8 media is the same; just the key is different
20:24:46  <ender|>if you click Keys on the "Windows 8", you get the Pro key, too
20:25:10  <FearTheCowboy>any "media center" keys?
20:25:48  <FearTheCowboy>that would have to get applied on top of one of the windows SKUs
20:26:17  <ender|>doesn't look like it
20:26:27  <FearTheCowboy>Now *that* sucks
20:27:37  <auroraeosrose>Windows To Go DirectAcces BranchCache Can be virtualized by RemoteFX? Metro-style app deployment (of internal applications)
20:27:46  <auroraeosrose>thos are supposedly the "enterprise only" features
20:28:01  <FearTheCowboy>?
20:31:07  <auroraeosrose>Windows To Go is a feature in Windows 8 Enterprise that allows Windows 8 Enterprise to boot and run from USB mass storage devices such as flash drives and external hard drives.[1] It is a fully manageable corporate Windows 8 environment.
20:31:10  <auroraeosrose>interesting...
20:31:16  * auroraeosrosefound the edition comparisons page
20:31:27  <FearTheCowboy>ah
20:31:35  <FearTheCowboy>yeah, the "portable" thing, right?
20:31:53  <auroraeosrose>DirectAccess is a VPN-like technology that provides intranet connectivity to client computers when they are connected to the Internet. Unlike many traditional VPN connections, which must be initiated and terminated by explicit user action, DirectAccess connections are designed to connect automatically as soon as the computer connects to the Internet.
20:32:03  <auroraeosrose>yeah - and that's the citrix like thing
20:32:07  <auroraeosrose>^^^^
20:32:52  <auroraeosrose>BranchCache, a WAN optimization technology.[60]
20:32:55  <auroraeosrose>who what?
20:33:04  <FearTheCowboy>dunno about that...
20:33:14  <virmitio>used in distributed domain setups
20:34:04  <auroraeosrose>yeah, looks like they basically kept only enterprisey annoying stuff as special to "enterprise" - remotefx, their new "metro app deployment stuff" *cough wsus cough*, etc
20:34:04  <virmitio>is intended so that branch computers will maintain a cache of remotely accessed files against future requests, with periodic checks against the remote host for updates
20:41:58  <FearTheCowboy>Hmmm. It's really easy to link against MSVCRT now... don't even need the WDK.
20:42:03  <FearTheCowboy>that's frickin' awesome
20:43:32  <auroraeosrose>hehe
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21:28:20  <virmitio>ha ha?
21:28:46  <alkaline>I was making fun of the Cowboy on Facebook earlier today.
21:29:04  <virmitio>people still use that?
21:29:45  <alkaline>Well, they're about 25 Million people away from becoming the next MySpace -- hit a billion people, then nobody goes on there anymore.
21:31:23  <virmitio>ah
21:31:51  <virmitio>I tend to forget I have an account there for months at a time
21:32:14  <virmitio>then somebody asks me why I haven't responded to something they sent me there
21:33:01  <alkaline>likewise... i think i actually log into fb once a month... at best.
21:33:23  <alkaline>but my Win8 install is connected to Fb, so my People and Activity are there.
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21:59:59  <auroraeosrose>FearTheCowboy: you like the evil of the accent?
22:02:02  <FearTheCowboy>Well, if the idiots at the Windows Store are banning "Metro" then, yeah, sure whiynote
22:02:26  <virmitio>wait, what?
22:02:51  <FearTheCowboy>Apparently, they just removed the doc that said that.
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23:06:32  <ender|>hmm, how do you install a language pack in Win8?
23:07:37  <virmitio>haven't tried yet, but I recall there being a language pack image on msdn
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23:08:31  <ender|>i downloaded it, but i can't seem to be able to install it
23:09:01  <virmitio>no idea why that would be at the moment
23:16:25  <ender|>ok... how do i disable UAC completely?
23:17:09  <virmitio>with black magic and a stick
23:18:30  <ender|>(just got a new beta of my mail client, which is distributed as a rared executable only, and having to extract it to desktop and then move to program files is annoying)
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