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01:49:48  <madewokherd>weekly mojolive emails telling me nothing has changed are silly
02:27:57  <auroraeosrose>turn them off ;)
02:39:05  <madewokherd>but what if something changes?
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20:20:55  * FearTheCowboyponders the possibility of having the core packaging component that gets built into windows as open source...
20:21:01  <FearTheCowboy>*blink*
20:23:23  <FearTheCowboy>done correctly, it's actually possible to build the V2 CoApp in C++, include it in future versions of Windows by default, and keep it entirely open source under the Apache License.
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20:32:58  <vpovirk>I don't think the apache license counts as "entirely open source" necessarily
20:33:36  <virmitio>vpovirk: how so? what are you prevented from doing with it?
20:33:42  <vpovirk>compiling it
20:33:49  <vpovirk>if you don't have all the souce files
20:35:01  <virmitio>wouldn't that still be a problem under any other oss license chosen?
20:35:22  <virmitio>(excluding the GPL itself, as that would simply be not an option for this purpose)
20:35:28  <vpovirk>I guess any permissive license
20:35:53  <vpovirk>but apache has that weird thing where it isn't a permissive license and still has that problem
20:36:12  <FearTheCowboy>huh? do you have an example of that?
20:39:01  <FearTheCowboy>Would apache licensed code present a problem for inclusion in WINE?
20:39:58  <vpovirk>I dunno, is it lgpl-compatible?
20:40:24  <FearTheCowboy>I'm pretty sure that it is. Specifically v2.1 or v3?
20:41:40  <vpovirk>2.1
20:41:49  <FearTheCowboy>According to the GPL page, "This is a free software license, compatible with version 3 of the GPL.
20:41:50  <FearTheCowboy>Please note that this license is not compatible with GPL version 2, because it has some requirements that are not in the older version. These include certain patent termination and indemnification provisions."
20:41:52  <FearTheCowboy>hmmm.
20:42:59  <FearTheCowboy>hmm. but is it LGPL compatible? ....
20:44:23  <vpovirk>The Apache Software Foundation is still trying to determine if this version of the Apache License is compatible with the GPL.
20:44:46  <vpovirk>I keep forgetting which direction "compatible with" goes
20:45:00  <FearTheCowboy>It's also possible that the lgpl doesn't have a collision since it doesn't require that things that it's linked to are GPL.
20:45:03  <FearTheCowboy>just derrivative.
20:45:31  <FearTheCowboy>Hmm. I'm gonna email Larry Rosen.
20:45:34  <vpovirk>well you can link anything to an LGPL as long as you can modify and rebuild the LGPL bits
20:45:49  <vpovirk>and use it as part of the whole
20:47:11  <vpovirk>but including in an LGPL project is different
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20:54:47  <FearTheCowboy>We'll see what Larry says. I know that he was deep involved with the creation of some of these licenses, so hopefully he'll have an answer for me.
20:55:57  <vpovirk>I bet we can't use it anyway because it'll be written in c++ ;)
20:58:11  <vpovirk>also it makes absolutely no sense for MS to go out of their way to help wine
20:58:18  <vpovirk>just saying
21:01:27  <vpovirk>(in fact I don't entirely understand why they open-source so many .NET things)
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