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15:22:45  * FearTheCowboyis back in the land of rain and cloud
15:23:00  <virmitio>wasn't rainy or cloudy til you came back
15:24:04  <auroraeosrose>hehe
15:24:06  <FearTheCowboy>Suuuuure.
15:24:09  <auroraeosrose>it rained here for two days!
15:24:11  <auroraeosrose>I want more
15:24:13  * auroraeosrosepouts
15:24:20  <auroraeosrose>hot and sunny again - sigh
15:24:26  <virmitio>auroraeosrose: did you get a proper thunderstorm?
15:24:40  <virmitio>or just the rain?
15:25:59  <auroraeosrose>mainly just rain
15:27:44  <FearTheCowboy>I heard a bit of thunder this morning. Pretty rare around here.
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15:57:59  <FearTheCowboy>cool... the T-Mobile version of the Galaxy Note 'phablet' will have built-in wifi support for voice, so you can use your own wifi for voice calls.. great for those who have crappy coverage at home ( aka "auroraeosrose" )
15:58:17  <auroraeosrose>LOL
15:58:18  <FearTheCowboy>Of course, if you've got crappy wifi, that's not gonna help I guess.
15:58:23  <auroraeosrose>we have 4g now though!
15:58:30  <FearTheCowboy>*blink*
15:58:33  <FearTheCowboy>on At&t?
15:58:46  <FearTheCowboy>#CoApp Weekly Conf Call 10:30 PDT (90 mins from now) Connect w/Lync Attendee http://j.mp/KP0Zht to http://j.mp/MsWUKA Join Anytime
16:00:00  <auroraeosrose>FearTheCowboy: as of like two weeks
16:00:00  <virmitio>at&t has back-end service contracts with Verizon for use of tehir LTE networks
16:00:04  <auroraeosrose>they JUST upgraded
16:00:19  <auroraeosrose>virmitio: not here, these are AT&T towers that were all edge
16:00:28  <auroraeosrose>they just upgraded the whole kit and kaboodle
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17:31:24  <virmitio>so, anybody else going to join this shindig? http://j.mp/MsWUKA
17:31:28  <FearTheCowboy>#CoApp Weekly Conf Call 10:30 PDT Now! Connect w/Lync Attendee http://t.co/uvRTg2GG to http://t.co/LV9LR4eE
17:35:58  * virmitiopokes auroraeosrose
17:36:48  <auroraeosrose>dammit, multi-multitasking again
17:36:49  <auroraeosrose>coming
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20:42:22  <madewokherd>FearTheCowboy: you know why wine for windows is absolutely beyond the realm of possibility ever?
20:44:08  <auroraeosrose>why.,...
20:47:23  <virmitio>madewokherd: why is that?
20:47:51  <madewokherd>it's because of the register that has a pointer to the teb in it
20:48:27  <madewokherd>wine can't just make its own teb and put it there, because that would interfere with the "host" libraries
20:51:32  <FearTheCowboy>ah
20:51:35  <FearTheCowboy>pity.
20:54:15  <FearTheCowboy>Until http://research.microsoft.com/en-us/projects/drawbridge/ is part of the OS...
20:58:01  <madewokherd>nope
20:58:37  <madewokherd>for that to help us, we'd need thunking between host and guest code, and we have no way to create that
21:00:02  <madewokherd>in fact, I'm not sure how it helps us even then
21:00:03  <FearTheCowboy>Well, in the drawbridge model, the entire 'WINE' os would run encapsulated. (I've actually seen that done with an arbitrary version of windows already)
21:00:36  <madewokherd>and what will all of wine's libraries work based on?
21:01:10  <virmitio>madewokherd: please clarify that last question
21:01:20  <madewokherd>it needs a C runtime
21:01:30  <madewokherd>and various other libraries
21:01:39  <FearTheCowboy>Hmm. tiny details.
21:01:50  <FearTheCowboy>can it be built against msvcrt?
21:02:47  <madewokherd>well, let me try to figure out what the base dependencies are, assuming redesigns are free
21:03:06  <FearTheCowboy>lol
21:03:24  <FearTheCowboy>not a big priority...
21:03:49  <madewokherd>my basic objection is that any libraries we use in the process, including msvcrt, will need a teb
21:03:59  <madewokherd>and if they use wine's teb, it'll most likely confuse things
21:05:20  <FearTheCowboy>ah
21:06:53  <madewokherd>so adding process isolation doesn't really solve the problem
21:07:45  <madewokherd>if wine were a complete user-space stack, or it could use base libraries from linux, that might be different
21:09:59  <madewokherd>and unfortunately I think our C runtime needs a C runtime to function
21:13:15  <madewokherd>either that or it needs a rest of the windows api and the rest of the windows api needs a c runtime
22:20:53  <auroraeosrose>weeee
22:21:07  <auroraeosrose>but... isn't the msvcrt runtime build on windows apis?
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