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00:18:47  <auroraeosrose>rock on there
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14:21:18  <auroraeosrose>you know, I tell the webpi guys the same thing over and over
14:21:21  <auroraeosrose>yet they don't seem to listen
14:21:23  * auroraeosroseshrugs
14:21:24  <auroraeosrose>anyway
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16:26:51  <auroraeosrose>FearTheCowboy: hmmm shiny - when did github for windows switch from msys's bash nonsense to powershell? I like except it's kind of slow
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16:32:53  <bob>i never used any of that. i installed the git for windows but i still just right click folders > open command window here
16:32:55  <bob>and git just works
16:33:08  <bob>so i don't fuss with the "open with git command" and all that shit it installed into my shell.
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16:33:52  <bob>i find that superior than any other solution. works exactly like it does on my osx and linux machines. no special nonsense as far as i can tell.
16:35:02  <bob>though its lol when i git status and it tells me paths with / so i type what i see git add whatever/blah and windows is like lol dude.
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17:34:06  <FearTheCowboy>auroraeosrose -> no idea when github4win switched. I don't use it anyway, I'm a cli guy :)
17:34:28  <FearTheCowboy>vpovirk -> you around?
17:35:37  <FearTheCowboy> :(
18:06:23  <vpovirk>FearTheCowboy: am now
18:29:41  <FearTheCowboy>vpovirk -> Awesome. I've got a few minutes now too.
18:29:55  <vpovirk>ok, what's up?
18:30:11  * virmitiopredicts lots of doom.
18:30:32  <FearTheCowboy>I've got a question about using the msi.c (plus whatever *it* needs) from Wine to create a simple, standalone tool to extract a property out of an MSI
18:30:38  <FearTheCowboy>(uh, can we do that?)
18:31:02  <vpovirk>um, legally?
18:31:17  <FearTheCowboy>Essentially, I'd like to pull the Atom Feed property out of CoApp MSIs so that a non-windows machine could use that to make feeds
18:31:23  <FearTheCowboy>(with source)
18:31:43  <FearTheCowboy>without having to drag all of Wine into it.
18:31:59  <vpovirk>ah
18:32:12  <FearTheCowboy>so that orgs like Github, sourceforge, etc. could have projects upload their packages and create a CoApp feed from htat.
18:32:23  <FearTheCowboy>(and a web-pi feed, I guess)
18:32:23  <vpovirk>well, all it should really need is an ole storage implementation, which you likely shouldn't take from wine
18:33:06  <FearTheCowboy>howouldjaliketowritethat?
18:33:21  <vpovirk>an ole storage implementation?
18:33:30  <vpovirk>I'm sure you could find an existing library
18:33:32  <FearTheCowboy>well, the tool :)
18:33:37  <vpovirk>ah..
18:34:16  <vpovirk>I'm not ideally suited for that, but I'm not sure who is..
18:34:30  <FearTheCowboy>Once we can extract out the internal feed trivially, the rest is just playin' with XML
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18:34:53  <vpovirk>so what you ideally want is a library that accesses the msi database without using the windows api?
18:34:58  <FearTheCowboy>Yeah
18:35:13  <vpovirk>in C or C#?
18:35:16  <FearTheCowboy>C
18:35:34  <FearTheCowboy>I wanna be able to give it to non-windows hosters and sites like github
18:35:49  <FearTheCowboy>C# could be a blocker for that.
18:35:54  <vpovirk>I can probably do that
18:36:20  <vpovirk>gtk may be a higher priority, but then maybe someone else can do gtk
18:36:24  <FearTheCowboy>that would truly be awesome. I'm gonna be at OSCON next week, and I'd like to go chat with the folks I know at Github.
18:36:33  <FearTheCowboy>auroraeosrose should be able to do GTK, right?
18:36:46  * FearTheCowboylooks at auroraeosrose with puppy-dog-eyes
18:36:53  <vpovirk>and I don't know how long it will take; I don't have any familiarity with wine msi internals
18:37:05  <vpovirk>though I now know a (very) little bit about msi
18:37:29  <FearTheCowboy>I imagine the trickier bit is just the ole stuff. the MSI code in wine seemed pretty sane.
18:37:40  <vpovirk>and there will be a dependency on an external library to do the storage work
18:37:42  <FearTheCowboy>and all we need right now is extract ability.
18:37:46  <FearTheCowboy>that's fine.
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18:38:01  <FearTheCowboy>crap. gotta run to a meeting. I'll be back later.
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18:38:59  <vpovirk>maybe I could try for a command line interface that works with .idt's too
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19:17:31  <auroraeosrose>what?
19:17:32  <auroraeosrose>gtk?
19:17:40  <auroraeosrose>someone was working on that right?
19:17:46  <auroraeosrose>we have lots of the stack...
19:18:26  <virmitio>auroraeosrose: FearTheCowboy has tapped vpovirk (who was working on it) to build something else for a bit.
19:19:13  <auroraeosrose>ahhhh
19:19:16  <auroraeosrose>so I see
19:19:18  * auroraeosrosemumbles
19:19:19  <vpovirk>well theoretically it's all there except we can't build it in the new world because no perl, and also gtk-demo needs a .lnk instead of a symlink
19:19:38  <auroraeosrose>yeah, need perl (or perl monolithic)
19:20:22  <vpovirk>it seems suspiciously like a ploy to keep me occupied until we have sxsplus
19:20:48  <auroraeosrose>perhaps it is...
19:21:02  <virmitio>probably, but FearTheCowboy seemed really interested in trying to capture the attention of the folks at github when he goes off to oscon
19:21:25  <vpovirk>and that's next week? I doubt I'll have something ready by then
19:21:39  <virmitio>join the club
19:21:47  <auroraeosrose>me too, me too
19:24:38  <virmitio>if any of you manage to make to the clubhouse (read: my office) I'll be sure to have cookies for you
20:09:11  <FearTheCowboy>FYI folks... we're gonna do our official CoApp 'release' announcement next week. The Press announcement will likely be Thursday, we'll blog/tweet/etc starting monday so I can connect with folks at OSCON.
20:10:23  <FearTheCowboy>vpovirk -> it's not a ploy. I just switched into marketing mode this morning and realized that the ability to make/manipulate feeds on non-windows would provide a huge adoption path.
20:10:44  * FearTheCowboyreally wishes that OSCON wasn't next week... I got too much to do to make that date.
20:11:18  <vpovirk>when you say you want a "tool", do you just mean a command line thing?
20:11:46  <FearTheCowboy>Yeah, command line tool is fine I think. that'd be easily callable from PHP/Python/Ruby/etc
20:12:05  <vpovirk>is something like msigetproperty -> libmsi -> libstorageorwhatever too complicated?
20:12:22  <FearTheCowboy>I don't think that's too complex.
20:12:28  <vpovirk>is something like msigetproperty -> wine too complicated?
20:12:41  <FearTheCowboy>erk. Wine is probably too much of a dependency.
20:12:52  <vpovirk>ok, just checking
20:12:59  <FearTheCowboy>I'd like people to be able to run this on their webserver
20:13:15  <vpovirk>well, wine can run as long as it's linux
20:13:26  <vpovirk>it's a little more complex if it's not x86
20:13:38  <FearTheCowboy>Yeah, well... tell folks then need wine on their webserver, and they will balk
20:13:50  <vpovirk>fair enough
20:14:08  <FearTheCowboy>Yeah, and its always possible it's not x86. Although I don't know what they'd run outside of that (& x64)
20:14:23  <FearTheCowboy>Nobody uses sparcs anymore, right/
20:14:24  <FearTheCowboy>?
20:14:31  <vpovirk>dunno
20:14:51  <vpovirk>in theory it can still work, but it's not done much
20:14:53  <FearTheCowboy>certianly not anyone interested in controlling costs.
20:15:36  <FearTheCowboy>Regardless, given that I need it to run on webservers, plain-old-C (using whatever libs) would be really good.
20:16:26  <FearTheCowboy>Hmm. we may actually want to package that on Windows too, so that the same code would work on Windows webservers. Although, who uses Windows as a webserver, right? :O
20:17:47  * auroraeosrosegrowls
20:18:13  <vpovirk>I'll probably spend friday researching and have nothing next week
20:18:20  <vpovirk>too bad I didn't start on it last week
20:18:22  <FearTheCowboy>that's fine.
20:18:41  <FearTheCowboy>At least I can talk with folks about it, and prep them to start adopting it.
20:18:45  <vpovirk>well, if I make the api compatible with msi that's not a problem
20:18:52  <vpovirk>but I don't know if that will make sense
20:19:04  <FearTheCowboy>Hmm. Don't go too far out of your way for that.
20:19:08  <vpovirk>right
20:19:17  <vpovirk>no reason it wouldn't be portable anyway
20:19:21  <FearTheCowboy>If it's sensable, fine, but...
20:19:23  <FearTheCowboy>Yeah
20:20:05  <FearTheCowboy>then all I have to do is to script up some xml-kung-fu to peice the feed together.
20:20:21  <FearTheCowboy>If I didn't hate XSLT so much, I'd think about using that to generate the WebPI feeds from the CoApp feed. Still might...
20:20:51  <virmitio>FearTheCowboy: well, I've got a friend that keeps a rack of old sparcstations in his closet, doe that count?
20:20:58  <FearTheCowboy>Eeew.
20:20:59  <FearTheCowboy>no
20:21:17  <FearTheCowboy>Does he run Github or Sourceforge? (or another *forge)
20:21:20  <FearTheCowboy>?
20:21:54  <vpovirk>apparently libmsi is taken
20:22:00  <vpovirk>so I need a slightly more clever name
20:22:03  <virmitio>don't recall if he's active with anything at the moment
20:22:22  <virmitio>he spends most of his time in the bunker his employer calls a datacenter
20:26:24  <vpovirk>libmsidb
20:26:42  <vpovirk>not taken
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