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19:36:28  <FearTheCowboy>Apparently .NET 4.5 now *does* support Vista and Server 2008 (as of the RC).
19:36:28  <FearTheCowboy>This is definitely a change from previously (and they had never indicated that this was going to happen).
19:36:28  <FearTheCowboy>...
19:36:28  <FearTheCowboy>I'm now seriously considering if I should drop support for XP and 2003.
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19:47:02  <vpovirk>you'll lose any publishers who aren't comfortable doing that
19:47:15  <vpovirk>which I would think is most of them
19:52:44  <FearTheCowboy>I dunno.
19:54:30  <FearTheCowboy>XP/2k3 have always been 'nice-to-haves' in my book; the acceptance factor for me was that we were tied to .NET 4.0 and that Vista/2k8 were not supporting .NET 4.5, so I couldn't switch up to .net 4.5 (which I was really really desperate to do so)
19:54:50  <FearTheCowboy>now, with .net 4.5 being supported as far back as Vista....
19:55:37  <FearTheCowboy>this keeps circling back to the question, how long *should* everyone support XP ?
19:55:58  <ender`>2014
19:56:08  <FearTheCowboy>I mean, you'd have to be insane to run a Linux version from 2001; even a MacOS from 2001 is insane
19:56:51  <ender`>XP from 2001 isn't supported anymore either
19:56:52  <vpovirk>I'm expecting windows 8 will kill it
19:57:02  <vpovirk>but I'm not sure how long it'll take
19:57:07  <ender`>doubt it
19:57:34  <ender`>XP had quite a few substantial changes in SP2
19:58:44  <FearTheCowboy>Yeah, well... it's still a serious pain-in-the-ass, and certainly doesn't have a serious future left in it.
19:58:45  <vpovirk>people "should" support it as long as it has a large enough user base for them to care
19:58:59  <vpovirk>but I think they'll start to stop once windows 8 is out
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21:02:02  <FearTheCowboy>After some hard introspection, we're gonna stick with .NET 4.0 (and XP/2k3 support) for CoApp RTM, and for CoApp 1.5 (This fall) ...
21:02:46  <FearTheCowboy>But, for CoApp 2.0 (Mid-to-late 2013) , we're definitely dropping support for XP and 2003
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