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06:58:06  <ender`>note to self: run dbgview before starting coapp install (yes, it's hung again, but this time at ~33%)
07:01:03  <ender`>...and done
07:01:59  <ender`>(btw, i'm pretty sure that Remove and Cancel buttons don't need tooltips)
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19:24:47  <FearTheCowboy>"How the hell did this even work"
19:32:31  <wwahammy>it's one of those days?
19:33:07  * virmitiotakes two drinks
19:33:39  <auroraeosrose>holy
19:33:42  * auroraeosrosetakes two drinks
19:33:46  <auroraeosrose>again FearTheCowboy?
19:42:48  <wwahammy>okay visual studio 2010 has crashed on me twice within the last 10 minutes when I either start or end debugging
19:42:51  <wwahammy>*kicks it*
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20:14:39  <wwahammy>Holy crap
20:14:50  <wwahammy>when the DOJ sees this, shit will hit the fan http://www.withinwindows.com/2012/05/23/windows-8-secrets-internet-explorer-10-will-ship-with-adobe-flash/
20:19:10  <FearTheCowboy>Actually, likely not.
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20:20:07  <wwahammy>they're crippling every browser in WinRT EXCEPT Internet Explorer. That's going to lead to some serious issues
21:03:52  <FearTheCowboy>New Interim Build
21:03:52  <FearTheCowboy> http://coapp.blob.core.windows.net/files/coapp-1.2.0.330-any.msi
21:03:52  <FearTheCowboy> http://coapp.blob.core.windows.net/files/coapp.devtools-1.2.0.205-any.msi
21:04:12  <FearTheCowboy>Tim and I expect the repository & feeds should be up and running on the new stuff by tomorrow.
21:04:16  <auroraeosrose>weeee
21:04:18  <auroraeosrose>no longer broken?
21:04:25  <auroraeosrose>I can build things and they won't go boom?
21:04:32  <FearTheCowboy>we should be good tomorrow for sure
21:04:43  <FearTheCowboy>and then RC by Friday!
21:04:49  * FearTheCowboyis exhausted.
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21:07:39  <FearTheCowboy>in the last 30 days, I've net-increased the project by about 46,000 lines of code
21:08:16  <FearTheCowboy>Thru including all refactoring and moving: (207635 lines added, 161722 removed)
21:08:18  <auroraeosrose>ouch
21:08:22  <FearTheCowboy>no kidding.
21:08:27  <auroraeosrose>speaking of - I have mojo codes if anyone wants to play ;)
21:08:33  <FearTheCowboy>:)
21:08:48  <FearTheCowboy>sure
21:09:23  <FearTheCowboy>(X) Acheivement Unlocked
21:10:01  <auroraeosrose>go to mojolive.com - use PHPTEK12 ;)
21:10:08  <auroraeosrose>tada - account
21:14:31  <FearTheCowboy>wheee.
21:14:50  <auroraeosrose>hehehe
21:14:51  <auroraeosrose>BREAK IT
21:14:54  <auroraeosrose>wait... only a little
21:14:54  <FearTheCowboy>We should have a CoApp "cap."
21:15:01  <auroraeosrose>hehehe
21:15:02  <FearTheCowboy>"Installed CoApp package"
21:16:37  <wwahammy>"You didn't have to remove all your CoApp packages due to format incompatibility for 30 days" cap
21:16:55  <FearTheCowboy>:o
21:17:05  <auroraeosrose>you are not drunk from teh drinking game
21:17:16  <wwahammy>I am not :)
21:19:10  <wwahammy>hot dang, it even installed over the old version via command line without exploding
21:19:23  <auroraeosrose>awesomesauce!
21:19:29  <auroraeosrose>see FearTheCowboy, it was worth it
21:19:33  <auroraeosrose>let's see if I can break it!
21:20:24  <auroraeosrose>whyfor no coapp pretty in taskbar
21:20:29  * auroraeosrosepouts
21:20:46  <FearTheCowboy>during the bootstrapper? or the main UI?
21:21:38  <FearTheCowboy>for everyone except for ender, it should be really damn fast too.,
21:21:53  <wwahammy>:)
21:22:03  <auroraeosrose>bootstrapper looks like - and mainui
21:22:07  <auroraeosrose>no pretties in taskbar
21:22:16  <FearTheCowboy>the main UI I get an icon.
21:22:16  <auroraeosrose>although - it says it's "already installed"
21:22:18  <auroraeosrose>um - wtf
21:22:22  <FearTheCowboy>lol
21:22:22  <auroraeosrose>that was weird ;)
21:22:39  <FearTheCowboy>coapp itself has to install itself to tell you that.
21:22:40  <FearTheCowboy>special case.
21:22:54  <auroraeosrose>weirdo
21:23:54  <FearTheCowboy>really, that's the one package people shouldn't have to install manually anyway.
21:25:36  <FearTheCowboy>did it prompt to clean the old one (if you had it installed)?
21:26:07  <auroraeosrose>no... but I don't know if I had it installed since my reinstall
21:26:13  <auroraeosrose>I have another VM to try to break it on as well
21:26:22  <auroraeosrose>yeah main UI has icon, bootstrapper does not
21:26:31  <auroraeosrose>should have something even if it's a really compressed one
21:26:38  <auroraeosrose>amazingly this has not broken yet FearTheCowboy!
21:26:44  <FearTheCowboy>whoa.
21:26:48  <FearTheCowboy>that's good :)
21:27:07  <auroraeosrose>oh crap
21:27:10  <wwahammy>hahaha
21:27:12  <auroraeosrose>does not put coapp in PATH
21:27:14  <auroraeosrose>?
21:27:15  <FearTheCowboy>?
21:27:17  <FearTheCowboy>hmmm.
21:27:21  <FearTheCowboy>that's not right.
21:27:32  <wwahammy>works for me
21:27:32  <FearTheCowboy>if you open another command prompt, it's not there?
21:27:35  <auroraeosrose>new command window
21:27:38  <auroraeosrose>coapp list
21:27:44  <auroraeosrose>coapp is not a registered blah blah blah
21:27:49  <wwahammy>but then again I installed over an old version
21:27:53  <FearTheCowboy>f*ck
21:28:00  <auroraeosrose>HAH
21:28:03  <auroraeosrose>I STILL HAVE IT
21:28:06  <FearTheCowboy>is c:\apps there?
21:28:09  <auroraeosrose>yeah, it didn't put it in path
21:28:21  <auroraeosrose>yes, c:apps is there
21:28:41  <auroraeosrose>ok why is there weird shit in C:/apps ;)
21:29:04  <auroraeosrose>c:\apps\coapp
21:29:05  <auroraeosrose>there it is
21:29:08  <auroraeosrose>it's just not in PATH
21:29:13  <FearTheCowboy>it's a symlink to c:\programdata
21:29:26  <FearTheCowboy>1 sec.
21:29:34  <auroraeosrose>c:\apps\coapp\coapp.exe list
21:29:37  <auroraeosrose>works
21:30:20  <FearTheCowboy>is coapp.exe in c:\apps\bin ?
21:31:13  <virmitio>auroraeosrose: you are the reason we can't have nice things
21:31:20  <wwahammy>:)
21:32:49  <auroraeosrose>yes, yes it is
21:33:00  <auroraeosrose>I have an installlog file!
21:33:17  <FearTheCowboy>that's just the service install file.
21:33:19  <FearTheCowboy>reg query "HKLM\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Control\Session Manager\Environment" /V Path
21:33:25  <FearTheCowboy>what does that return?
21:34:02  <auroraeosrose>HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Control\Session Manager\Environment
21:34:02  <auroraeosrose> Path REG_SZ C:\ProgramData\bin;C:\Program Files\Common Files\Microsoft
21:34:02  <auroraeosrose> Shared\Windows Live;C:\Program Files (x86)\Common Files\Microsoft Shared\Window
21:34:02  <auroraeosrose>s Live;C:\Windows\system32;C:\Windows;C:\Windows\System32\Wbem;C:\Windows\System
21:34:02  <auroraeosrose>32\WindowsPowerShell\v1.0\;C:\Program Files (x86)\Windows Live\Shared
21:34:24  <FearTheCowboy>Hmm. so it *did* add it to the registry, but the broadcast failed?
21:34:26  <FearTheCowboy>hmmm.
21:35:08  <auroraeosrose>this is a new cmd.exe I swear
21:35:30  <virmitio>close it, count to 10, open a new one and try again
21:35:38  <auroraeosrose>nope, still broken
21:35:41  <auroraeosrose>guess what though!
21:35:45  <auroraeosrose>elevated command prompt works
21:35:45  <virmitio>who?
21:35:47  <auroraeosrose>something in uac?
21:35:52  <FearTheCowboy>no...
21:35:53  <wwahammy>haha
21:36:05  <virmitio>that's just wierd
21:36:05  <FearTheCowboy>don't reboot or kill explorer...
21:36:23  <auroraeosrose>don't what?
21:36:32  <auroraeosrose>uac cmd prompt works
21:36:34  <auroraeosrose>regular does not
21:36:37  <auroraeosrose>WTFH
21:36:40  <FearTheCowboy>oh.
21:37:01  <FearTheCowboy>it doesn't propogate to the user environment?
21:37:12  <auroraeosrose>yeah!
21:37:17  <FearTheCowboy>ffs
21:37:34  <virmitio>windows for the fail
21:37:40  <FearTheCowboy>win7 or win8?
21:37:45  <auroraeosrose>win7
21:37:50  <auroraeosrose>64 bit
21:37:53  <auroraeosrose>awesomesauce
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21:46:00  <FearTheCowboy>auroraeosrose -> I think I found a solution. Lemme build this and you can try it out.
21:47:22  <auroraeosrose>cool
21:53:55  <FearTheCowboy> New Interim Build
21:53:56  <FearTheCowboy> http://coapp.blob.core.windows.net/files/coapp-1.2.0.333-any.msi
21:53:56  <FearTheCowboy> http://coapp.blob.core.windows.net/files/coapp.devtools-1.2.0.206-any.msi
21:54:00  <FearTheCowboy>run the coapp msi
21:54:07  <FearTheCowboy>it'll force a wipe of the old version
21:54:15  <FearTheCowboy>(should!)
21:55:40  <auroraeosrose>it blue screened
21:55:41  <auroraeosrose>woot
21:55:43  <FearTheCowboy>!
21:55:48  <virmitio>wait, what?
21:55:53  <FearTheCowboy>BWOD
21:55:59  <FearTheCowboy>the sad-face ?
21:56:03  <auroraeosrose>yes
21:56:09  <FearTheCowboy>what error?
21:56:27  <auroraeosrose>oh, I did devtools
21:56:31  <FearTheCowboy>yeah
21:56:32  <FearTheCowboy>do coapp
21:56:37  <auroraeosrose>ouch
21:56:39  <FearTheCowboy>devtools can't find coapp yet.
21:56:42  <auroraeosrose>the cleaner kills my screen!
21:56:47  <auroraeosrose>want a screenshot?
21:56:50  <FearTheCowboy>kills?
21:57:01  <auroraeosrose>it isn't a box - it's all the way across the screen
21:57:03  <FearTheCowboy>Yeah,
21:57:11  <FearTheCowboy>that's the new 'metro' style
21:57:18  <auroraeosrose>it looks... broken
21:57:20  <FearTheCowboy>lol
21:57:24  <auroraeosrose>and blocks everything!
21:57:27  <auroraeosrose>FALE
21:57:42  <FearTheCowboy>this is one of those very-very rare modal moment.
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21:57:47  <FearTheCowboy>moments
21:58:16  <FearTheCowboy>really, I hope to never use that in the real-world after RC
21:59:01  <auroraeosrose>ewwww
21:59:05  <auroraeosrose>anyway - that worked
21:59:22  <FearTheCowboy>non-elevated command prompt gets the path now?
21:59:25  <auroraeosrose>but the first coapp list is waaay slow
21:59:26  <auroraeosrose>yes, it does
21:59:39  <virmitio>if we ever need to actually use that after release, it'll be a "very bad thing"
22:00:17  <FearTheCowboy>the first coapp list was trying to get the three feeds that aren't up yet;
22:00:22  <FearTheCowboy>still... how 'slow'?
22:01:08  <auroraeosrose>like... five seconds or more
22:01:13  <auroraeosrose>I can sing jepordary
22:01:23  <auroraeosrose>the second call is fast
22:01:27  <FearTheCowboy>do:
22:01:29  <auroraeosrose>so I dont' know what is so slow with the frist
22:01:30  <FearTheCowboy>coapp.service --stop
22:01:37  <FearTheCowboy>and then do a coapp list
22:02:19  <auroraeosrose>8 seconds
22:02:39  <FearTheCowboy>hmmm.
22:02:42  <auroraeosrose>half that afterwards
22:03:07  <FearTheCowboy>Yeah, 1-2 seconds is likely the service startup from cold.
22:03:22  <FearTheCowboy>but 8 seems a tad high.
22:03:29  <virmitio>sounds about right for it to look for the base feeds and waiting on a timout
22:03:34  <virmitio>timeout*
22:04:03  <FearTheCowboy>so if you run a coapp list again and again, it's still more than 3 seconds?
22:04:42  <auroraeosrose>yes
22:04:45  <auroraeosrose>it's about 4-6
22:04:58  <FearTheCowboy>rund dbgview
22:05:15  <FearTheCowboy>and then do a coapp list
22:05:24  <auroraeosrose>hmmm, do I have dbgview on here...
22:05:39  <FearTheCowboy>I'd like to see the timing along with the msgs
22:05:48  <FearTheCowboy>clear dbgview first tho'
22:09:49  <FearTheCowboy>......?
22:10:03  <auroraeosrose>sorry, majorely multitasking
22:10:04  <auroraeosrose>soooo
22:10:08  <auroraeosrose>I don't have dbgview on here
22:10:12  <auroraeosrose>wtf do I get it again?
22:10:22  <FearTheCowboy>http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/sysinternals/bb896647
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22:10:37  <FearTheCowboy>We'll have a package for that within a week :)
22:11:29  <auroraeosrose>yes, need
22:11:45  <mloskot>for what for what? :)
22:11:47  <FearTheCowboy>I'll have faux-packages working this week, and that's at the top of my list
22:11:55  <FearTheCowboy>mloskot -> dbgview
22:12:07  <FearTheCowboy>and some other sysinternals stuff
22:12:32  <auroraeosrose>and visual studio express?
22:12:35  * auroraeosrosemakes puppy eyes
22:12:45  <mloskot>:)
22:12:47  <auroraeosrose>want coapp install php-dev-tools for end of june
22:12:49  <mloskot>FearTheCowboy: sweat
22:12:52  <auroraeosrose>for my extensions talk
22:12:55  <mloskot>s/sweat/sweet/
22:12:56  <FearTheCowboy>Lol. if you can come up with the URLs and the command lines to install that, sure.
22:12:58  * auroraeosrosedoes qiggly dance
22:13:01  <virmitio>FearTheCowboy: didn't we have a dbgview replacement for coapp that worked better?
22:13:12  <FearTheCowboy>we have dbgwatch -- which is better in some ways
22:13:19  <FearTheCowboy>but I didn't put copy into it.
22:13:28  <FearTheCowboy>er debugwatch
22:13:52  <virmitio>is that part of the coapp package or the devtools package?
22:13:56  <FearTheCowboy>devtools
22:15:18  <auroraeosrose>so which do you want?
22:15:24  <FearTheCowboy>use dbgview
22:15:36  <FearTheCowboy>turn on capture -> globla win32
22:16:11  <FearTheCowboy>and then clear the window, run coapp list and give me the stuff from "startign new listener" to "disposing of pipes"
22:16:18  <FearTheCowboy>including the times
22:17:22  <auroraeosrose>mse want's your service still FearTheCowboy
22:17:41  <FearTheCowboy>damn av.
22:17:43  <FearTheCowboy>*sigh*
22:17:52  <FearTheCowboy>wonder why I don't get that on forefront.
22:18:09  <auroraeosrose>dont' know
22:18:56  <FearTheCowboy>oh, and you have to 'save' the log to get timestamps
22:19:04  <auroraeosrose>I"m confused here
22:19:11  <auroraeosrose>I have no "starting new listener"
22:19:18  <auroraeosrose>do I have to stop the service again?
22:19:26  <FearTheCowboy>you turned on capture global win32?
22:19:32  <auroraeosrose>yes
22:19:43  <FearTheCowboy>o_O
22:19:52  <FearTheCowboy>what do you get ?
22:19:58  <auroraeosrose>just a minute
22:20:28  <FearTheCowboy>should look something like http://fearthecowboy.com/stuff/tmp-2012-05-23-031933-15ac0002.html
22:20:30  <auroraeosrose>http://pastebin.com/2kvbKYgc
22:21:36  <FearTheCowboy>run dbgview as admin
22:21:43  <auroraeosrose>I did !
22:21:59  <auroraeosrose>it wouldn't even let me catch globals as non-admin
22:22:30  <auroraeosrose>there, looks like it went through this time
22:23:34  <auroraeosrose>http://pastebin.com/1RunHemJ
22:24:13  <auroraeosrose>yeah, almost 9 seconds
22:25:22  <auroraeosrose>need anything else?
22:25:32  <FearTheCowboy>no, that'll do
22:25:47  <FearTheCowboy>it looks like the network responses are a tad sluggish.
22:26:13  <FearTheCowboy>hmm.
22:26:29  <virmitio>isn't the unstable feed supposed to be disabled by default?
22:27:20  <auroraeosrose>apparently not?
22:27:21  <auroraeosrose>heh
22:27:35  <FearTheCowboy>virmitio -> uh, good point.
22:27:40  <FearTheCowboy>hmmm.
22:27:50  <auroraeosrose>I BROKE IT AGAIN
22:27:55  * auroraeosrosedoes happy dance
22:28:00  <auroraeosrose>my kids think I'm nuts btw
22:28:08  <FearTheCowboy>as well, it's not supposed to use the archive for primary packages either.
22:28:10  <FearTheCowboy>hmmm.
22:28:16  <virmitio>auroraeosrose: I don't disagree with them
22:28:24  <FearTheCowboy>still, it's just slow, not 'broke' :p
22:28:38  <FearTheCowboy>but even on mine, those go and come back really fast.
22:28:48  <FearTheCowboy>must be all the snow on the michigan internets
22:28:50  <auroraeosrose>I have "real" internet though
22:29:09  <auroraeosrose>as in what the rest of the world outside tech hubs has ;)
22:29:19  <FearTheCowboy>ah
22:29:36  <auroraeosrose>it's fast for here!
22:29:52  <FearTheCowboy>still, nearly 3 seconds to get a virtually empty file?
22:30:03  <auroraeosrose>other stuff isn't that slow
22:30:06  <auroraeosrose>not sure what the hold up is
22:31:02  <auroraeosrose>lets' see how crappy speedtest says my internet is today
22:31:42  <auroraeosrose>27.89 mbps
22:31:46  <virmitio>somewhere between "wow, that's unfortunate" and "ha ha, we hate you"?
22:31:50  <virmitio>hmm
22:31:50  <FearTheCowboy>that should be good enough.
22:32:00  <virmitio>better than I have at home
22:32:19  <auroraeosrose>yeah, it should be
22:33:03  <FearTheCowboy>well, we'll have to look into that after RC.
22:33:08  <FearTheCowboy>at least it's functional
22:33:18  <FearTheCowboy>and outside the network traffic, looks really fast.
22:33:34  <auroraeosrose>yeah, network is a killer
22:33:41  <auroraeosrose>we might need some caching yo
22:33:55  <FearTheCowboy>Well, once the feed is actually there, it won't fetch it all the time.
22:34:04  <FearTheCowboy>it's not getting one, so it keeps trying
22:34:33  <FearTheCowboy>unless forced to it shouldn't get the same feed more than once every 12 hrs.
22:36:09  <auroraeosrose>all righty then
22:36:16  <auroraeosrose>NOW we're ready to rebuild the world?
22:36:20  <auroraeosrose>or shall I break it some more ;)
22:37:24  <auroraeosrose>LOLOLO - oh virmitio
22:37:28  <FearTheCowboy>well, I gotta get the feed service updated, but that should be done before I sleep
22:37:28  <auroraeosrose>I am DYING of laughter
22:37:59  <auroraeosrose>Just wait. It gets worse.
22:38:16  <virmitio>it always does
22:38:45  <auroraeosrose>you should see my mosquito bite of doom
22:41:43  <virmitio>sounds unhealthy
22:43:00  <auroraeosrose>sometimes I get really glorious reactions to them
22:48:25  <virmitio>sometimes, these things really are out to get you
23:01:18  <madewokherd>http://winetricks.org/winetricks has a download for VS 8 express at least
23:04:32  <madewokherd>oh hey, so ole32 has an export that takes a pointer to an instance of a c++ class that's not defined anywhere
23:05:06  <madewokherd>you just have to make one and put in some virtual methods
23:05:31  <madewokherd>(I don't know why I feel the need to point out stupid api's here)
23:08:10  * virmitioquit (Quit: Leaving.)
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