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20:32:49  <ender`>http://retro-box.net/blargh/2012/05/10/microsoft-bans-firefox-on-arm/
20:33:54  <vpovirk>I don't know what I was expecting, but it wasn't that
20:34:40  <vpovirk>also.. can they do that?
20:36:19  <auroraeosrose>they can block it from the app store
20:36:28  <auroraeosrose>actually block it from the device? uh, yeah, good luck with that
20:37:47  <vpovirk>technically, I don't see why they couldn't
20:38:29  <vpovirk>I just wonder legally
20:38:35  <auroraeosrose>no clue
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20:57:06  <FearTheCowboy>The trouble with that article, is that I don't see a reference.
20:57:23  <FearTheCowboy>What exactly do they mean "restrict"
20:57:50  <FearTheCowboy>if they mean, limited to WinRT, whereas IE can use Win32, well, yeah, expected.
20:59:14  <ender`>http://news.cnet.com/8301-1001_3-57431236-92/microsoft-bans-firefox-on-arm-based-windows-mozilla-says/?part=rss&subj=news&tag=title
21:01:32  <FearTheCowboy>yeah; they wanna make a native app. That's not likely.
21:01:43  <FearTheCowboy>Nothing stopping them from making a Metro browser.
21:01:53  <vpovirk>the source on cnet is mozilla blog
21:02:01  <vpovirk>and someone in mozilla apparently
21:02:25  <vpovirk>the mozilla blog post links to a building windows 8 blog post, which is long but from what I've seen doesn't say what the article says
21:02:36  <vpovirk>but I didn't read the whole post
21:03:11  <FearTheCowboy>looks like it's a Win32/WinRT issue.
21:03:38  <vpovirk>oh, I see, I took it as browsers not being allowed because they're hybrid apps
21:03:48  <vpovirk>or whatever they're called
21:04:09  <FearTheCowboy>meh. I still predict that WinRT will be hacked pretty fast to open up the whole Win32 Api that it suppors.
21:04:12  <FearTheCowboy>supports.
21:05:09  <wwahammy>interesting, I never thought of that
21:05:11  <vpovirk>if you have to hack it, that's just not as interesting to me
21:05:31  <FearTheCowboy>Worst case scenario, someone will be able to build a Win32 Launcher app from Metro.
21:05:36  <FearTheCowboy>and that'll be that.
21:05:43  <FearTheCowboy>Won't even have to be a real hack.
21:05:49  <vpovirk>but how will you get that app on your tablet?
21:06:16  <FearTheCowboy>you can sideload your own stuff for dev purposes, right?
21:06:20  <vpovirk>(also I wasn't sure the security model allowed that)
21:06:31  <vpovirk>can you?
21:06:53  <FearTheCowboy>oh, I'm sure the security model doesn't "Allow" that, but I'm pretty sure that I know of at least two ways to make it happen.
21:06:54  <vpovirk>maybe you have to have a dev kit, or maybe you're expected to target x86 metro and it'll work on windows rt
21:07:54  <FearTheCowboy>Not precisely sure, but I've been told by those in the know, that there are a couple of fundementally unblockeable ways to call arbitrary code.
21:08:32  <vpovirk>in a desktop process..
21:08:38  <FearTheCowboy>no.
21:08:41  <FearTheCowboy>from metro.
21:08:58  <vpovirk>you're not implying the security model works by limiting the code that can be executed inside a process?
21:09:23  <FearTheCowboy>I've probably said too much already, I don't want to cross the line.
21:09:45  <FearTheCowboy>but I'm reallly sure it's not going to be too hard to break out of the sandbox.
21:10:30  <vpovirk>I spend a lot of time telling people that wine can't provide any sandbox/security because it's in a process with the windows code
21:12:54  <wwahammy>while I don't know what the methods are, this is really just a twist on DRM. DRM doesn't work and this won't either. It's not easy to stop a user from performing actions they are physically capable of performing.
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