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12:44:32  <auroraeosrose>hmmm - yeah 2 am doesn't work well for pinging me ;)
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15:09:29  <FearTheCowboy>auroraeosrose -> what's MSSE bitching about?
15:09:38  <auroraeosrose>msse?
15:09:41  <auroraeosrose>ooooh
15:09:43  <auroraeosrose>the service
15:09:47  <auroraeosrose>wants me to upload it
15:09:48  <FearTheCowboy>aye
15:09:51  <auroraeosrose>so they can "check it"
15:09:54  <FearTheCowboy>hmm. How Very.
15:10:27  <auroraeosrose>yeah.....
15:10:28  <FearTheCowboy>I don't run that, I run MS Forefront (the corp equivalent). Mayhap I'll see if we can replicate that in a VM
15:10:39  <auroraeosrose>also - bison is broken on windows
15:10:41  <auroraeosrose>fml
15:11:11  <FearTheCowboy>we need a good bison build?
15:12:17  <auroraeosrose>uh, yeah
15:12:21  <auroraeosrose>half the world uses bison
15:12:25  <auroraeosrose>(ruby and PHP to start)
15:12:29  <FearTheCowboy>LOL
15:12:39  <auroraeosrose>yeah....
15:12:48  <auroraeosrose>issue is it's not finding the "supporting files" it needs
15:12:56  <auroraeosrose>it's not smart enough to deal with spaces looks like
15:12:58  <FearTheCowboy>ah.
15:13:10  <FearTheCowboy>I seem to recall an issue with that from long ago
15:13:17  <auroraeosrose>yup
15:13:19  <auroraeosrose>bah humbug
15:13:39  <auroraeosrose>mingw builds of bison let you use an env variable for the path to the files for a long time
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17:24:08  <FearTheCowboy>spec'ing support for Virtual Packages in CoApp. Actually we call them 'Faux Packages" -- and that just got shortened to "Faux Pax"
17:24:16  <auroraeosrose>groan
17:29:07  <wwahammy>I like that. I shows that you virtual packages aren't as good as real CoApp packages :)
17:30:24  <auroraeosrose>.... LOL ... but what a bad pun
17:30:52  <FearTheCowboy>wwahammy -> that's the intent :)
17:37:22  <ender`>haha
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18:12:50  <FearTheCowboy>A very bad sign in debugging:
18:12:51  <FearTheCowboy>http://fearthecowboy.com/stuff/tmp-2012-05-07-111159-17e80001.png
18:14:25  <virmitio>that would appear to be distinctly not helpful
18:16:12  <auroraeosrose>I like the "wtf" suggestion
18:16:17  <FearTheCowboy>Yeah
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19:58:09  <FearTheCowboy>Please Vote for "Visual Studio: Stop automatically messing with my solution configurations and platforms" http://t.co/fN1T0aUc #StupidVSBugs
20:07:54  <wwahammy>Done
20:53:39  <FearTheCowboy>virmitio , wwahammy
20:53:41  <FearTheCowboy>https://coapp.blob.core.windows.net/files/coapp-1.2.0.227-any.msi
20:53:49  * ender`clicks
20:54:15  <FearTheCowboy>not guaranteed to do everything, but *should* be enough to start building against the reference assemblies
20:54:27  <virmitio>awesome
20:54:29  <FearTheCowboy>ender` -> actually, I'd like to know if it works for you too
20:54:36  <FearTheCowboy>ooh. wait just a moment before running
20:54:43  <ender`>just let me run the cleaner first
20:54:48  <FearTheCowboy>no
20:54:51  <FearTheCowboy>no
20:54:51  <FearTheCowboy>no
20:54:56  <wwahammy>it runs it for yoU :)
20:55:01  <ender`>no?
20:55:07  <FearTheCowboy>justwait.
20:55:17  <ender`>(i already started the cleaner)
20:55:22  <FearTheCowboy>aj
20:55:22  <FearTheCowboy>ah
20:55:23  <FearTheCowboy>ok
20:55:28  <virmitio>lol
20:55:33  <FearTheCowboy>It will actually run the cleaner for you
20:55:43  <FearTheCowboy>I was just about to upload the latest cleaner
20:56:41  <FearTheCowboy>no worries then anyway
20:56:53  <FearTheCowboy>the latest cleaner has a few more cases that it can clean with
20:57:19  <FearTheCowboy>but now the bootstrapper has nuke-from-orbit logic. It's the only way to be sure.
20:57:40  <ender|>Please wait while Windows configures coapp
20:57:56  <FearTheCowboy>I'm hoping this should be faster for you
20:58:14  <ender`>ooh, the coapp's window appeared immediately after MSI's disappeared
20:58:27  <FearTheCowboy>Fancy, eh? LOL
20:58:55  <ender`>now if only that window wasn't disabled
20:58:59  <FearTheCowboy>there is still bugs in parts of this (the options in the installer window is broken)
20:59:02  <FearTheCowboy>disabled?
20:59:58  <ender`>yeah - i tried to move it, but it beeps like it's disabled
21:00:10  <FearTheCowboy>uh. that's not right.
21:00:18  <ender`>X and Cancel can't be clicked either
21:00:24  <FearTheCowboy>there may be a thrown exception
21:00:38  <virmitio>that's different...
21:00:59  <FearTheCowboy>hmmm.
21:01:07  <virmitio>the cleaner appeared on a different monitor from all of the other dialogs
21:01:14  <virmitio>not really a problem, just unexpected
21:01:15  <ender`>might be, it's been sitting at roughly 80% for a while now
21:01:20  <FearTheCowboy>virmitio -> I hvaen't changed anything there
21:01:32  <FearTheCowboy>ender` -> yeah, It's died.
21:01:56  <ender`>(but i can see coapp.service running)
21:01:57  <FearTheCowboy>ender` -> ok, look in eventvwr
21:02:14  <FearTheCowboy>it didn't like something during the transition
21:03:27  <ender|>Windows Installer has installed a product. Name: coapp. Version: 1.2.0.227 etc.
21:04:00  <ender|>and a bit higher: Windows Installer reconfigured product. Name: coapp.
21:04:55  <ender|>oh, and it actually did finish
21:05:14  <FearTheCowboy>Look in "Applications and services logs"
21:05:16  <FearTheCowboy>under coapp
21:05:22  <FearTheCowboy>see if there are any errors
21:05:29  <ender|>"CoApp Package Manager - 1.2 PRE-RC" "This version is already installed (1.2.0.227)", and i can only click Remove or Cancel
21:05:50  <ender|>Feed http://coapp.org/archive was unable to load.
21:05:55  <ender|>Feed http://coapp.org/current was unable to load.
21:06:01  <ender|>Feed http://coapp.org/unstable was unable to load.
21:06:11  <FearTheCowboy>those are expected at this point
21:06:16  <FearTheCowboy>anything else?
21:06:32  <ender|>just some informational messages
21:06:44  <FearTheCowboy>hmmm
21:07:02  <FearTheCowboy>ok, next time, run dbgview first
21:07:24  <ender|>yeah, not sure why i forgot
21:07:34  <ender|>should i run the cleaner and reinstall? :)
21:08:19  <FearTheCowboy>gimme a couple minutes.
21:08:27  <FearTheCowboy>gonna fix another bug, and republish...
21:10:32  <wwahammy>What is the timeline for having all the old packages available in the new format?
21:11:24  <FearTheCowboy>I imagine a day or so after I get a stable enough build/toolset
21:11:30  <wwahammy>alright
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21:13:06  <FearTheCowboy>I switched all "locations" in the core to System.Uri (file paths too)... there are a few places that dont' like URI style paths, just found a couple.
21:13:09  <FearTheCowboy>fixing now.
21:14:27  <ender`>http://www.androidpolice.com/2012/05/04/the-samsung-galaxy-s-iii-the-first-smartphone-designed-entirely-by-lawyers/
21:24:48  <ender`>i will never understand how copy&paste works in Excel: http://eternallybored.org/tdwtf/excelpaste.gif
21:28:49  <virmitio>FearTheCowboy: any chance of getting a devtools package to go with the new coapp?
21:29:08  <FearTheCowboy>one moment.
21:29:12  <FearTheCowboy>just building them now.
21:29:13  <virmitio>no problem
21:34:23  <FearTheCowboy>CoApp:
21:34:24  <FearTheCowboy>http://coapp.blob.core.windows.net/files/coapp-1.2.0.228-any.msi
21:34:24  <FearTheCowboy>Devtools:
21:34:24  <FearTheCowboy>http://coapp.blob.core.windows.net/files/coapp.devtools-1.2.0.119-any.msi
21:34:54  <FearTheCowboy>ender` -> Run the coapp installer (don't clean first-- it should do that for you)
21:34:58  <FearTheCowboy>er
21:35:01  <FearTheCowboy>no it wont
21:35:03  <FearTheCowboy>clean first
21:35:07  <virmitio>lol
21:35:10  <ender`>haha
21:35:26  <FearTheCowboy>the one you have is more recent than the "nuke" version
21:36:03  <FearTheCowboy>run with dbgview in case it chokes
21:37:45  <ender|>Error 612
21:38:09  <FearTheCowboy>did you run the coapp package or the devtools
21:38:39  <ender|>devtools
21:38:42  <FearTheCowboy>ah
21:38:44  <FearTheCowboy>run the other first
21:39:02  <ender|>running
21:39:07  <FearTheCowboy>they won't autobootstrap without me breaking the existing build
21:39:29  <ender|>the CoApp window is still disabled
21:39:33  <wwahammy>when I ran the devtools install, after having coapp.toolkit 227 installed, I got the following error: CoApp.Toolkit.Exceptions.CoAppException - Package Failed Install coapp:coapp.devtools-1.2.0.119-any-1e373a58e25250cb => One or more dependencies are unable to be resolved.
21:39:45  <wwahammy>let me clarify
21:39:46  <ender|>...but now it got through it very quickly
21:39:53  <auroraeosrose>wait wait
21:39:56  <auroraeosrose>there's a new coapp to break?
21:40:03  <wwahammy>that was in the Event Viewer, the installer just stalled
21:40:06  <FearTheCowboy>auroraeosrose -> still early
21:40:14  <ender|>(still, the "This version is currently installed" is a bit confusing)
21:40:42  <FearTheCowboy>wwahammy => Run 228
21:40:51  <auroraeosrose>FearTheCowboy: in other words someone else broke it first? LOL
21:41:10  <FearTheCowboy>auroraeosrose -> yeah, It's still not "ready" for wide testing
21:41:16  <FearTheCowboy>tracking down some bootstrapping issues
21:41:21  <auroraeosrose>all righty
21:41:26  <auroraeosrose>yell when you want me to break it
21:42:03  <FearTheCowboy>wwahammy -> yeah, it won't find dependencies yet, I've got it looking at non-existant feeds
21:42:56  <wwahammy>I know but the UI doesn't tell you something went wrong
21:43:05  <FearTheCowboy>.... geetttting there.
21:43:20  <wwahammy>I figured. I just wanted to make sure it wasn't something you overlooked
21:43:26  <FearTheCowboy>the installer hasn't got any error handling at the moment
21:44:03  <wwahammy>Should there be a problem installing 228 over 227?
21:44:35  <FearTheCowboy>Yeah
21:44:39  <FearTheCowboy>wipe it.
21:44:41  <wwahammy>alright
21:44:50  <wwahammy>I did, just wanted to make sure
21:44:53  <FearTheCowboy>the .227 installer had a bug in copying a file
21:47:52  <wwahammy>ah
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21:53:32  <FearTheCowboy>misc bugs aside, this version should be a hell of a lot snappier in a lot of places
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