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00:37:30  <wwahammy>So I assume we're going to have some sort of fight to the death to allocate Outercurve's TWO slots
00:41:22  <FearTheCowboy>well shit.
00:41:30  <FearTheCowboy>we'll get one and mayhem will get one.
00:41:43  <FearTheCowboy>didn't even get the two we were desperate for.
00:42:36  <wwahammy>I mean it's possible some groups could return their slots and we could get those
00:42:48  <wwahammy>I saw that process described somewhere
00:42:58  <FearTheCowboy>I'm sure that happens alot.
00:43:05  <wwahammy>ya, exactly :)
00:43:37  <wwahammy>"We have too many paid people working on our open source software. We should return them!"
00:45:22  <FearTheCowboy>F*cketyFKFK
00:48:39  <wwahammy>we get a talented student to work free to us. I mean, it could be worse :)
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00:49:42  <FearTheCowboy>I suppose.
00:51:04  <FearTheCowboy>One more, and I'd have been satisfied.
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01:18:04  <madewokherd>I think you may be thinking of deduplication
01:22:25  <madewokherd>if a student is accepted to two projects, it could free up a slot, but then maybe one of the organizations involved uses it
01:23:09  <FearTheCowboy>well, they *do* say that an org can 'give up' extra slots ...but I'm not holding my breath.
01:33:13  * dmexwould love to help
01:33:31  <dmex>though those 103 other projects I work on might leave little time
01:34:22  <dmex>then there's that stuff EA is paying me to work on :|
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11:34:23  <auroraeosrose1>stupid stupid connection
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14:41:14  <auroraeosrose>virmitio: awake yet?
14:41:20  <virmitio>I am
14:41:42  <auroraeosrose>I can has libxml package?
14:41:42  <virmitio>debating how I'm going to unbreak a problem I have created
14:41:46  <auroraeosrose>oh dear
14:41:48  <auroraeosrose>what did you break?
14:41:55  <FearTheCowboy>His spirit.
14:41:58  <virmitio>still working that bit out
14:42:05  <virmitio>stand by
14:42:06  <auroraeosrose>hehe
14:42:21  <auroraeosrose>also - how are we handing different config.h files per compiler?
14:42:27  <auroraeosrose>yes yes, it happens
14:42:45  <virmitio>diff by compiler? no idea yet
14:43:03  <auroraeosrose>unless we should smooth it all into one and ifdef around compiler version
14:43:08  <auroraeosrose>ARGH BOO HISS
14:43:20  <virmitio>diff by arch I handled in openssl by introducing a forking include
14:44:13  <auroraeosrose>yeah, but like config.h for a vc6 package looks a lot different then for a vc10
14:44:15  <auroraeosrose>(sigh)
14:45:46  <virmitio>well, you could introduce a config.c that is nothing but a bunch of ifdefs that then include config_${compiler}.h
14:45:59  <virmitio>wait...
14:46:01  <virmitio>config.h
14:46:06  <auroraeosrose>LOL
14:46:08  <auroraeosrose>that might work
14:46:17  * virmitioappears to be having charachter troubles
14:46:21  <virmitio>...
14:46:27  * virmitiofails
14:46:29  <auroraeosrose>I'm just saying we need to say "this is how to handle multiple config.h's"
14:49:32  <FearTheCowboy>Hey.
14:49:52  <virmitio>well, the easiest method would be to introduce a forked config.h that then includes the one you actually need. the "right" answer would probably be to have a monolithic config.h that accounts for all allowed options
14:50:27  <FearTheCowboy>if we can hit "1.0" in 90 days... in the 12 months following, I'm thinking we should be able to aim for 1000 different pkgs and 1,000,000 downloads.
14:50:30  <auroraeosrose>well we may want to come up with a single config.h so no one has to deal this bull of msys on microsoft tools to create them
14:50:44  <FearTheCowboy>While those are large numbers, I don't see them as unacheivable...
14:50:48  <auroraeosrose>I need libxml to finish PHP
14:51:08  <virmitio>I'm working on it
14:53:15  <virmitio>Jenkins is throwing a fit about packaging it. Think I'm going to need to run it by hand
14:53:40  <auroraeosrose>what's the error?
14:56:40  <FearTheCowboy>I'm trying to convince the Outercurve foundation that becuase we had a bit more than 50% of the applications, we should get a bit more than 50% of the slot allocations...
14:57:08  <FearTheCowboy>(rounding up, of course :)
14:57:25  <virmitio>FearTheCowboy: let me know how that goes for you
14:57:39  <FearTheCowboy>Actually, the foundation may sponsor our second spot.
14:57:53  <FearTheCowboy>which would get us our two
14:57:58  <virmitio>auroraeosrose: it's giving me an error in autopackage that I'm not seeing when running by hand
14:58:25  <auroraeosrose>permissions stuff?
14:58:33  <auroraeosrose>FearTheCowboy: that would rock
14:58:56  <virmitio>auroraeosrose: I'm running everything as the same (administrator-level) user
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15:14:17  <virmitio>ah, actual root of the issue appears to have been "Tim was dumb"
15:15:46  <virmitio>libxml2 should be up momentarily
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15:16:16  <auroraeosrose>rock on
15:16:23  <auroraeosrose>zlib, iconv, libxml2
15:16:34  <auroraeosrose>me be set for base
15:16:45  <virmitio>sweet
15:16:56  <auroraeosrose>lots more for default extensions though ;)
15:19:08  <virmitio>auroraeosrose: when you can build it happily, push it up to the repo and I'll get it up as soon as I can
15:19:32  <auroraeosrose>all righty
15:19:49  <auroraeosrose>oh boogedy
15:19:54  <auroraeosrose>I should do re2c/bison
15:24:14  <virmitio>auroraeosrose: also, let me know if there's anything violently wrong with the structure on libxml. I haven't had a chance to actually try using it yet.
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20:24:41  <auroraeosrose>ok I am having a brain fart
20:24:48  <auroraeosrose>how do get a makefile out of an sln
20:24:57  <FearTheCowboy>can't
20:25:13  <FearTheCowboy>gotta use msbuild with the sln to build that
20:25:55  <auroraeosrose>sigh
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21:35:12  <FearTheCowboy>ptk script from hell; generates test EXEs and DLLs, and creates packages for them
21:35:13  <FearTheCowboy>http://fearthecowboy.com/stuff/2012-04-12-023346-21a00006.html
21:39:47  <virmitio>FearTheCowboy: and you keep saying that I'm the who's going to abuse features of ptk?
21:40:13  <FearTheCowboy><crickets>
21:48:43  <virmitio>that's curious...
21:50:49  <FearTheCowboy>I'm curious about it myself; It's a natural evolution of things,.
21:50:55  <FearTheCowboy>I'm wondering where that's going.
21:51:22  <virmitio>coapp toolkit on the build server appears to have decided to update itself
21:51:30  <FearTheCowboy>oh.
21:51:42  <FearTheCowboy>it'll do that if you install a package that needs it.
21:52:57  <virmitio>I'm the one who builds all of the packages, and they only require the version that they were built with. standard reasoning would therefore dictate that the master build server only ever requires an update after it already has said update installed
21:53:09  <FearTheCowboy>hmm. good point.
21:53:21  <virmitio>it hasn't made anything explode, but it does confuse me somewhat
21:54:06  <FearTheCowboy>I wonder if it may pick up a newer version of CoApp from the feed when it's building something
21:54:16  <FearTheCowboy>and then making that the dependency.
21:54:39  <virmitio>it appears that it may have occurred when serf was trying to pull down the apr-dev package?
21:54:51  <virmitio>immediately before that, it was running 142
21:55:04  <virmitio>during the build, it was running 149
22:05:17  <Scotis>when doing 'coapp list' it only shows the 144 version of toolkit - but i upgraded from 140 - is there something special i need to do to show previous versions that are still installed?
22:05:50  <FearTheCowboy>when you do just a 'coapp list' it implies '--latest'
22:05:56  <FearTheCowboy>try coapp list * --latest=false
22:06:35  <FearTheCowboy>hmm.
22:06:35  <virmitio>or `coapp -l --installed coapp*`
22:06:37  <FearTheCowboy>that's not right
22:07:24  <FearTheCowboy>yeah, like virmitio said.
22:07:38  <FearTheCowboy>coapp list coapp* will show you every available version
22:08:52  <virmitio>`coapp -l --installed --active=false coapp*` will show you all toolkits and devtools versions you have installed that are no longer in use
22:09:38  <virmitio>I don't remember if that can still be piped back into coapp to remove them or not
22:09:42  <FearTheCowboy>nope
22:09:47  <FearTheCowboy>I had to remove that
22:09:53  <virmitio>ah, yes
22:10:02  <virmitio>because it made the automation die horribly
22:10:07  <FearTheCowboy>Yeah
22:10:28  <virmitio>yeah, after release we're going to do something else
22:12:43  <FearTheCowboy>now that I can generate a ton of test packages, I'm gonna debug the upgrade and update stuff. but I think that might need to be tomorrow--I'm getting kinda burnt out for today.
22:13:09  <vpovirk>I still can't remember the difference
22:13:10  <virmitio>FearTheCowboy: did you stop drinking your espressos early today?
22:13:21  <FearTheCowboy>Yeah, last one was at 1:30
22:13:38  <virmitio>update = binary compatible, upgrade = not so much
22:36:45  <auroraeosrose>wow - I swear that's greek
22:36:56  <virmitio>??
22:37:37  * auroraeosroseis finally catching up to garrett's nasty script of doom
22:37:47  <virmitio>ah
22:37:49  <auroraeosrose>and - I found the re2c sln files
22:37:56  <auroraeosrose>bastards did zip and tar.gz with different stuff
22:37:58  <auroraeosrose>ARGH
22:38:00  <FearTheCowboy>oh, yeah. that's ... not really intended as an example of how to do things right.
22:38:02  * auroraeosrosemushed them
22:38:18  <auroraeosrose>so how the frick do I make msbuild cooperate with this
22:38:31  <virmitio>dunno
22:38:33  <auroraeosrose>and what is standard operating procedure when they SHIP sln but don't have all versions
22:38:52  <auroraeosrose>upgrade in place seems short sighted ;) shove upgraded ones into COPKG?
22:39:14  <virmitio>I'm debating how long it's going to take me to rewrite the include and lib paths for every config in every vcxproj file for httpd
22:39:53  * auroraeosrosewhimpers
22:39:57  <virmitio>auroraeosrose: well, we only actually need a vc10 project/solution set regardless
22:40:12  <auroraeosrose>eh, perhaps but I should provide other builds ;)
22:40:24  <auroraeosrose>this bastard is supposed to build on everything but vc6
22:40:30  <auroraeosrose>and ... vc10
22:40:39  <auroraeosrose>(hey, last release was 2008)
22:40:59  <virmitio>maybe, but we already have something of a plan to be able to use vc10 files to compile under any vc compiler as far back as vc6
22:41:13  * auroraeosrosemakes squinty eyes
22:41:17  <auroraeosrose>how you manage that magic
22:41:26  <virmitio>with magic
22:41:49  <auroraeosrose>mumble
22:41:57  <virmitio>hey, you asked
22:42:27  <auroraeosrose>serious answers only
22:42:34  <FearTheCowboy>MSBuild that ships with VC10 and beyond has the facility to swap out the toolsef
22:42:35  <auroraeosrose>(as I say in annoyed tone to my son all the time)
22:42:39  <FearTheCowboy>toolset
22:42:43  <auroraeosrose>ah, that's nice
22:42:47  <auroraeosrose>does the right defines and all too?
22:42:54  <auroraeosrose>cause some are going to have different defines and crap
22:42:55  <virmitio>seems to
22:43:16  <virmitio>I built a personal project in VS 2010 and built it with the vc6 toolset without complaint
22:43:19  <virmitio>runs fine
22:44:13  <virmitio>haven't had time to be very comprehensive to make sure that *everything* will *always* build correctly, but it looks promising
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22:54:46  <vpovirk>so I just installed visual studio 2008 on my computer which already had windows sdk 7 and visual studio 2010; did I ruin everything?
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22:56:09  <virmitio>vpovirk: shouldn't have
22:56:52  <virmitio>I won't make promises, but I don't recall there being any catastrophic conflicts between vs 2008 and anything newer
22:57:10  <vpovirk>ok; what was the version what ruined everything?
23:06:31  <virmitio>having the wrong timing with VS 2010 updates and the WinSDK 7.1 can result in vs2010 behaving weird and not compiling properly
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