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14:24:09  <virmitio>once we hit release, I think I may need to abandon using Jenkins for build automation
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14:25:50  <FearTheCowboy>Probably woulnd't hurt to find something better if something exists.
14:26:23  <auroraeosrose>is there something better?
14:26:45  <auroraeosrose>I mean everyone is like "uck jenkins/java sucks" but there's nothing else I've found that works
14:27:26  <virmitio>not that I know of yet, but I really can't keep working with something where entering the same commands in the same order to it and a command prompt produce different results
14:27:54  <FearTheCowboy>now, *that's* the definition of insanity.
14:28:27  <mgdm>FearTheCowboy: expect a chap called directhex to attempt to ping you some time soon
14:28:33  <auroraeosrose>virmitio: have you been checking the logs?
14:29:40  <virmitio>case example: the commands for ptk to build, test, and package openssl work fine from a prompt completes without trouble. same commands in Jenkins results in linker errors and test failures.
14:29:41  <FearTheCowboy>mgdm: that sounds ominous... "If I big guy with a scythe come by, go with him..."
14:29:51  <virmitio>auroraeosrose: I'm watching the log as it scrolls by
14:29:59  <auroraeosrose>virmitio: permissions?
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14:30:05  <auroraeosrose>that sounds like permissions
14:30:15  <auroraeosrose>the code it uses to spawn consoles is ... icky
14:30:16  <auroraeosrose>in java
14:30:26  <FearTheCowboy>uck... "Java sucks"
14:30:27  <virmitio>auroraeosrose: the service and the prompt are running as the same windows user
14:30:46  <auroraeosrose>virmitio: but how does java actually SPAWN it ;)
14:30:53  <auroraeosrose>sure jenkins may SAY it's the same user
14:30:54  <auroraeosrose>however....
14:31:33  <mgdm>FearTheCowboy: I believe it's just a quick question :)
14:31:36  <virmitio>honest answer? no idea. is one of the reasons I think I'll need to scrap the current system and built a new one after release
14:31:53  <FearTheCowboy>there's no way jenkins can create a process as a different user, unless they (a) took credentials for another account, or (b) did a craptastic amount of low-level win32 work to do that.
14:32:51  <auroraeosrose>FearTheCowboy: lemme find the spawn code
14:34:49  <virmitio>auroraeosrose, FearTheCowboy: I'd say ignore this issue for the time being. It's only a moderate nuisence right now, and we're still trying to crank forked packages out. We can revisit after official release.
14:35:08  <virmitio>openssl package is up
14:35:25  <auroraeosrose>sweet
14:35:47  <FearTheCowboy>awesomejuice
14:35:50  <auroraeosrose>I forget - what's the ultimate, professional, premium vistual studio difference...
14:35:54  <auroraeosrose>and which one do I want
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14:35:58  <FearTheCowboy>ultimate
14:36:15  <auroraeosrose>okie dokie
14:36:23  <virmitio>mostly price and profiling tools are the diff
14:36:28  <virmitio>if I recall
14:36:49  <auroraeosrose>ah, want profiling tools
14:36:50  <auroraeosrose>sweet
14:37:17  <FearTheCowboy>I'd have been sarcastic, and said that the lower versions don't get colored icons.... but then I saw VS11
14:37:28  <auroraeosrose>ok, that's so OH
14:37:51  <FearTheCowboy>LOL
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15:42:46  <auroraeosrose>heh, I do that in some stuff
15:43:09  <auroraeosrose>that's FUN (not)
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16:02:38  <auroraeosrose>hmmm, when is the allocationg
16:07:05  <FearTheCowboy>when is the what allocating?
16:07:18  <auroraeosrose>gsoc
16:07:24  <FearTheCowboy>oh.
16:07:29  <FearTheCowboy>today, eod PST
16:07:35  <auroraeosrose>so - today laaate
16:07:40  <virmitio>yep
16:07:42  <FearTheCowboy>so, we should know sometime tonight, or first thing tomorrow
16:13:53  <vpovirk>directhex.. he's a mono guy, isn't he?
16:14:47  <vpovirk>are you using CP_ACP or CP_UTF8 for the string conversion?
16:15:21  <FearTheCowboy>CP_ACP
16:15:33  <FearTheCowboy>you think I shouldn't?
16:15:53  <auroraeosrose>ugh
16:16:03  <vpovirk>well, I think that's what A/W functions normally use
16:16:08  <vpovirk>and it's probably right
16:16:10  <FearTheCowboy>that's what I assumed.
16:16:29  <vpovirk>but glib and mono use utf8 for everything
16:16:31  <auroraeosrose>you have a way to flag that?
16:16:34  <auroraeosrose>cause yeah
16:16:39  <auroraeosrose>a lot in PHP will be utf8
16:17:15  <FearTheCowboy>how do you call windows 'a' apis now?
16:18:01  <auroraeosrose>in general or PHP specific?
16:18:08  <vpovirk>the libraries convert to LPWSTR and call the W functions
16:18:32  <vpovirk>but use utf8 char* as much as possible
16:19:47  <FearTheCowboy>well, then call the W functions in this APIs. providing the A functions is simply a shim for those kind of consumers that would use the A APIs in Windows.
16:20:38  <ender`>new A APIs are deprecheated anyway
16:20:46  <auroraeosrose>ugh, yeah, we just use the A apis for everything and let stuff break
16:20:48  <auroraeosrose>woot!
16:20:49  <auroraeosrose>sigh
16:20:52  <FearTheCowboy>I agree
16:23:34  <vpovirk>I think forcing anyone who uses an A api to supply a codepage might actually be a good idea
16:23:47  <vpovirk>because then they have to think about it and figure out which one they want
16:24:05  <FearTheCowboy>b-b-b-but the Win32 APIs don't give you that choice...
16:24:27  <ender|>have them run through AppLocale? :)
16:24:42  <mgdm>vpovirk: yeah, he's a mono bloke
16:24:54  <auroraeosrose>I like that
16:25:00  <vpovirk>right but if you have a char* that doesn't necessarily mean you're using the A api's
16:25:00  <auroraeosrose>make them choose
16:25:12  <vpovirk>you might be going through some wrapper that actually expects utf8
16:25:28  <auroraeosrose>?
16:25:39  <FearTheCowboy>Ok, I'll add that in too. *sigh*
16:29:15  <vpovirk>well, if you're a library or application using glib primarily, you may use glib functions for your i/o, in which case you are implicitly using utf8 and not acp filenames
16:30:21  <FearTheCowboy>ok, I've made them support a codepage now.
16:30:46  <auroraeosrose>rock on
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17:28:57  <dmex>FearTheCowboy: ping
17:29:21  <FearTheCowboy>hello
17:29:31  <dmex>morning :)
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17:30:30  <dmex>just thought I would drop by and say thanks for that sub
17:31:30  <dmex>it's one of the best things anyone has given us
17:31:44  <FearTheCowboy>no problem
17:32:57  <FearTheCowboy>heh-heh
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18:03:36  <dmex>FearTheCowboy: will the web API for packages be public?
18:05:03  <FearTheCowboy>I'm not quite clear on what you're asking...
18:05:50  <dmex>http://downloads.coapp.org/repository/packages.xml
18:06:20  <FearTheCowboy>you mean to upload packages to the repository?
18:06:32  <dmex>for querying the package lists
18:07:19  <FearTheCowboy>oh. I see.. um, that's actually a statically generated file that gets regenerated when a package is uploaded to the server.
18:07:50  <dmex>I'm assuming when the number of packages are not suited to a single xml that it'll be querying a web API
18:07:51  <FearTheCowboy>it's an ATOM feed with additional metadata that you can certainly use to find what you're looking for
18:07:52  <auroraeosrose>so yes - the feed is perfectly public ;)
18:08:22  <FearTheCowboy>Yeah, we'll have a queyable API some time in the future :)
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18:09:18  <dmex>ah cool, there's a few places I can see it'll come in handy
18:09:20  <FearTheCowboy>and really, that wouldn't be too hard to implement... just haven't gotten there yet.
18:09:27  <dmex>e.g. PH plugin deps and ROS
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19:17:59  <ender`>https://twitter.com/#!/erniemiller/status/190142534461308928
19:18:14  <virmitio>I have a feeling that FearTheCowboy is going to be upset with me
19:19:21  <ender`>what did you break?
19:19:34  <virmitio>I think the bootstrap
19:19:57  <virmitio>the toolkit is failing to install
19:20:00  <FearTheCowboy>awesome.
19:20:05  <auroraeosrose>FearTheCowboy FearTheCowboy TIM BROKE THE BOOTSTRAP
19:20:08  <auroraeosrose>ahem
19:20:27  <virmitio>yeah, I'm like that
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19:20:38  <ender|>you scared rafael!
19:20:39  <FearTheCowboy>well, I'm bugfixin' the rest of the day, so now's as good of time as any,
19:22:28  <FearTheCowboy>is it giving you "administrator says no?"
19:23:12  <virmitio>nope
19:24:08  <virmitio>on XP, getting a message box labeled "Package Failed Install coapp.toolkit-1.2.0.140-any-1e373a58e25250cb => Package failed to in..."
19:24:10  <FearTheCowboy>ok, well, I'm gonna eat this Pho' and then I'll fix yer bug
19:24:34  <virmitio>box contains a stack trace
19:25:32  <auroraeosrose>XP only?
19:25:40  <auroraeosrose>perhaps it's broken on xp ... again
19:25:40  <auroraeosrose>sigh
19:26:01  <FearTheCowboy>oh. nice.
19:26:08  <virmitio>just got done with lunch, I haven't tried breaking the other OSs yet
19:27:51  <auroraeosrose>I'm about to test my forking skills....
19:31:37  <virmitio>auroraeosrose: try not to hurt yourself in the process.
19:32:34  <virmitio>install worked fine under win7-x64
19:32:56  <auroraeosrose>not to self
19:33:05  <auroraeosrose>do not install full visual studio
19:33:06  <auroraeosrose>oy
19:33:15  <virmitio>lol
19:33:48  <virmitio>funny, I was half expecting something like "when forking software, do not use real forks"
19:33:52  <auroraeosrose>LOL
19:34:02  <auroraeosrose>yeah, my husband is in the air!
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19:48:25  <FearTheCowboy>that was pho-licious
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20:04:10  <auroraeosrose>even the sane version takes forever to install
20:04:15  <auroraeosrose>crazy visual studio
20:04:50  <ender`>do you have to reinstall often?
20:06:30  <auroraeosrose>making a local VM here
20:07:01  <FearTheCowboy>remember: VC 10, Windows SDK, Windows DDK , then VC10 SP1
20:07:08  <FearTheCowboy>or it will get very angry
20:07:44  <ender`>auroraeosrose: make sure you snapshot it once it's done
20:07:53  <auroraeosrose>ender intending to
20:08:18  <ender`>(the one and only time i forgot that i managed to blow up the VM the next day)
20:08:25  <auroraeosrose>yeah... I've done that
20:08:26  <auroraeosrose>a lot
20:08:52  <ender`>it's kind of second nature to me to snapshot at every important point - i just forgot then
20:09:27  <auroraeosrose>I wasn't planning a snapshot until I had the dev package ^^ + the few tools I wanted on
20:09:57  <FearTheCowboy>you didn't wanna use the VM that virmitio set up for you?
20:10:18  <auroraeosrose>I have that one too
20:10:25  <ender`>i usually snapshot right after activating, then after installing all updates, and after installing whatever i intend to use in the VM
20:10:32  <auroraeosrose>I want a local one for my laptop when I'm non connected
20:12:04  <FearTheCowboy>oh, yeah, 'cause that happens alot for you
20:12:31  <auroraeosrose>I have trips planned in the next few weeks - and yes I lose connectivity a lot
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20:49:53  <auroraeosrose>ok, I'm confused
20:50:01  <auroraeosrose>wtf does msdn not use bing for search?
20:50:13  <auroraeosrose>cause I just searched for something on msdn... then on bing
20:50:19  * auroraeosrosebeats head on table
20:50:21  <auroraeosrose>WHY
20:50:26  <ender`>...and you got WinCE results on msdn? :)
20:51:10  <auroraeosrose> yeah.....
20:51:14  <auroraeosrose>well no, but crap results
20:51:18  <auroraeosrose>and first hit lucky on bing
20:51:20  <auroraeosrose>WTF man
20:51:23  <auroraeosrose>you have search that works
20:51:24  <auroraeosrose>well
20:51:25  <auroraeosrose>USE IT
20:54:07  <FearTheCowboy>*sigh* we just found/discovered a few more bugs in some of our packages (including zlib)
20:54:22  <FearTheCowboy>gotta go fix some stuff...
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20:54:40  <FearTheCowboy>(at least it doesn't look like code bugs at this point...)
21:05:17  <vpovirk>I should think about switching to bing
21:05:32  <vpovirk>it seems like google doesn't do what I want as much as I used to
21:05:38  <vpovirk>*it used to
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21:26:47  <dmex>vpovirk: I don't like how google tries to correct my searches
21:27:48  <dmex>I'll c/p something then go to c/p something at the beginning or end and it'll move the cursor or do something else stupid like spellcheck/correct... which would be great if it wasn't a typedef or API name
21:27:54  <auroraeosrose>I don't like how it ignores puncuation
21:27:58  <virmitio>but they're a giant of search. obviously they know better than you do what it is you're searching for, right?
21:28:00  <auroraeosrose>can't spell today apparently
21:28:29  <auroraeosrose>I don't mind them saying "do you mean"
21:28:35  <auroraeosrose>I am annoyed they now do that automatically
21:28:41  <auroraeosrose>and you have click if you want the FIRST thing
21:28:51  <dmex>I see why they would think it would help most... just let me disable it
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