00:24:35  <FearTheCowboy>hazaaa... I beleive I've correctly smacked down the admin-access bug
00:27:59  <auroraeosrose>woot
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15:37:35  <FearTheCowboy>31 people in IRC today. This is awesome
15:38:07  <Eklavya>:)
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15:49:16  <BuckRogers25>FearTheCowboy: I'm not sure you should count me... I'm really just lurking...
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15:51:28  <FearTheCowboy>Lurkers are useful too.
15:51:30  <FearTheCowboy>:)
15:51:45  <FearTheCowboy>It feels like moral support.
15:51:57  * Umang_part
15:52:13  <vpovirk>well, maybe you'll tell your friends, eventually
15:52:16  <vpovirk>when things are ready
15:55:19  * FearTheCowboyis gonna try and fix the damn broken 'stale' feed flag today
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16:00:59  <FearTheCowboy>vpovirk -> I think I've got the administrator bug fixed tho.
16:01:18  <FearTheCowboy>update to the latest: coapp install http://coapp.org/install
16:20:16  <vpovirk>cool, I'll try it on friday
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16:34:54  <piscisaureus_>slurp is just a bot that spies on your irc activity and publishes it to the world
16:35:32  <vpovirk>uh oh
16:35:56  <vpovirk>we should either ban it or note the logging in the topic
16:36:54  <piscisaureus_>hehe well if you care then I can just turn it off :-)
16:39:49  <vpovirk>it's just that people don't expect logs to be published
16:40:00  <vpovirk>and some people get upset if it happens without them knowing
16:40:31  <virmitio>why wouldn't we expect logs to get published?
16:40:45  <vpovirk>it's unusual
16:40:51  <virmitio>I suppose
16:41:13  <vpovirk>I don't care, personally; I consider this "public" and publishing logs doesn't change that
16:41:20  <vpovirk>but I've seen people make a big deal about it
16:41:33  <virmitio>I guess I just always assume that anything I say in a public forum (which any irc channel is unless password locked) will likewise be available for public consumption
16:41:57  <vpovirk>right
16:45:27  <FearTheCowboy>Me too.
16:46:09  <piscisaureus_>It's mostly there to log #node.js and #libuv. Logging #coapp too is just for my own convenience.
16:46:18  <piscisaureus_>So if you want me to shut it down, tell me.
16:47:00  <vpovirk>I think we should just add a note in the topic
16:48:29  <FearTheCowboy>Yeah we'll just add the note
16:48:44  <FearTheCowboy>hmm. who owns that anyway? auroraeosrose ? mgdm ?
16:49:09  <FearTheCowboy>I didn't set this channel up in the first place...
16:49:16  <mgdm>anyone who's an op in here should be able to change it
16:49:25  <piscisaureus_>I think anyone can
16:49:27  <mgdm>FearTheCowboy: try /msg chanserv op #coapp
16:49:33  <mgdm>piscisaureus_: no, the channel's mode +t
16:49:33  <piscisaureus_>since the channel is +t
16:50:02  <mgdm>+t prevents anyone other than ops from changing it
16:50:06  <piscisaureus_>oh
16:50:10  <piscisaureus_>sorry, got it mixed up
16:50:57  <mgdm>apparently, FearTheCowboy, ender|, auroraeosrose and I can op in here, and therefore change hte topic
16:51:04  <mgdm>or we could set it mode -t, and then anyone can
16:51:15  <auroraeosrose>boogedy?
16:51:17  <FearTheCowboy>is there a command reference for ops?
16:51:18  <auroraeosrose>who owns this?
16:51:31  <auroraeosrose>I don't remember but I know either me or mgdm set up the right stuff
16:51:32  <mgdm>FearTheCowboy: /msg chanserv help, or ask me :)
16:51:33  <FearTheCowboy>it's been like a brazillion years since I've done any of that
16:51:36  <auroraeosrose>you can add people to op access too
16:51:49  <mgdm>I'm the channel founde
16:51:50  <mgdm>r
16:51:52  <piscisaureus_>FearTheCowboy: I think it would be /topic #copapp foobar
16:52:04  <mgdm>FearTheCowboy: or just /topic blah blah blah
16:52:04  <piscisaureus_>er, well, you get the idea
16:53:42  * FearTheCowboytopic: "Chatter CoApp Package Management System -- FYI, channel logging is on, what you say is forever recorded"
16:54:13  * FearTheCowboytopic: "CoApp Package Management System (http://coapp.org | https://github.com/coapp | https://github.com/coapp-packages | ML: http://launchpad.net/coapp')-- FYI, channel logging is on, what you say is forever recorded"
16:54:24  <wwahammy>:)
17:00:43  <wwahammy>"... and may be used against you in a court of law. You have a right to an attorney. If you cannot afford one, one will be provided for you..."
17:01:55  <auroraeosrose>why are we logging this channel?
17:02:03  <auroraeosrose>now we need a #coapp-social ;)
17:02:16  <FearTheCowboy>posterity
17:03:31  <wwahammy>so our children's children can look back and think "so THAT'S who fucked up the design"
17:03:39  * FearTheCowboyhides
17:04:50  <virmitio>FearTheCowboy: too late now, they already know...
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17:08:20  <auroraeosrose>we all know who to blame
17:17:04  <HamishC>FearTheCowboy: tried syncbackpro?
17:17:18  <FearTheCowboy>no
17:17:48  <FearTheCowboy>hmm. I'll check it out
17:18:39  <HamishC>if you delete the settings file after 30 days the trial period resets :D
17:18:46  <FearTheCowboy>lol
17:19:34  <FearTheCowboy>does it have filtering ?
17:20:39  <saivert>irc is logged? is that really neccessary to put in the topic? I thought all channels were logged
17:20:53  <saivert>heck everything on the internet is logged
17:20:54  <mgdm>It's very much the exception rather than the rule
17:21:16  <mgdm>lots of people log IRC channels, very few make them public/googleable
17:21:19  <saivert>all the channels I'm on are logged
17:21:34  <saivert>and you can see statistics
17:21:39  <HamishC>yup got filtering
17:21:41  <saivert>like who is the most chatty
17:22:31  <saivert>if you want privacy, encrypt or take a hike in the woods
17:22:37  <FearTheCowboy>HamishC -> This looks pretty good. installing now
17:23:02  <auroraeosrose>I"m less concerned for "is this logged" then "can someone go to google /search site and see everything I ever said"
17:23:11  <FearTheCowboy>hmm. it even backs up to an azure storage account? Awesome
17:23:16  <auroraeosrose>it's like being around people who carry around a microphone all the time
17:23:27  <saivert>auroraeosrose: haha
17:24:06  <saivert>My dad has a recorder on him now. Because he tends to forget things and it is easier to record voice clips and writing things down. and he also records me. damn annoying
17:24:54  <saivert>meh I'm half joking. he only uses it for work stuff mostly
17:31:51  <FearTheCowboy>HamishC -> whoa. I think I've found the first sync tool that understands filtering right. this is awesome
17:35:03  <HamishC>ive been using it for maybe 6 months, it maybe the first bit of software that gets some money instead of a keygen out of me
17:47:27  <FearTheCowboy>HamishC -> if it performs as good as it looks like, I'll pay for it before the end of the week. Live Mesh, dropbox has been killing me
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17:47:49  <FearTheCowboy>plus, for bonus points, it'll sync to azure storage. Very nice
17:48:35  <vpovirk>I always want -t and -n in my channels, until they're abused and I have to put them back :(
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18:00:35  <FearTheCowboy>oh, how very weird; it's actually possible to refresh a feed in the middle of a getpackages query and the system doesn't explode.
18:00:49  * FearTheCowboymust be clever, somehow
18:04:35  <vpovirk>no wonder your code keeps breaking; it's too clever
18:05:13  <FearTheCowboy>I honestly never tried to make that work, it just did.
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18:38:09  <ender|><mgdm> apparently, FearTheCowboy, ender|, auroraeosrose and I can op in here, and therefore change hte topic <- really? nobody told me!
18:38:32  <auroraeosrose>...I thought we did
18:38:49  <ender|>in that case i forgot
18:38:51  <auroraeosrose>FearTheCowboy: well if everything handles async right...
18:39:09  <auroraeosrose>that is probably correct, I forget everything after two weeks
18:39:16  <auroraeosrose>probably because of too much juggling
18:39:41  <ender`>halve the number and change the unit to the next lower one :)
18:45:10  <wwahammy>so unrelated to anything mentioned today but is the ASP.Net stack the first official Microsoft product to accept community contributions?
18:45:45  <FearTheCowboy>hmmm. no, but certainly the most significant
18:46:20  <wwahammy>really? I couldn't think of any but maybe they're just small enough that I'm overlooking them
18:47:50  <FearTheCowboy>there were some related to ASP.net before (atlas, and ajax stuff)
18:48:07  <wwahammy>ah
18:48:34  <FearTheCowboy>it's always a pain, 'cause if they ship the software with a commerical product, they are always scared of an injunction if someone comes out of the closet a year later and says "Contributor X can't contribute that, I have IP rights on that"
18:49:12  <FearTheCowboy>But, they are slowly learning not to ship stuff in a big monolithic product ...
18:50:08  <wwahammy>I was honestly shocked that they did this with ASP.Net. Happily shocked. Apparently someone, probably pretty high up, gets it
18:50:59  <FearTheCowboy>The nice part is that they went with the Apache license, rather than a MS branded alternative (ie, mspl)
18:51:13  <wwahammy>that is nice
18:52:14  <ender|>so, i bought a new table and two chairs for my balcony today. a few minutes after unpacking the chairs: http://eternallybored.org/imgs/cats/CIMG0698.jpg
18:53:19  <virmitio>ender|: oh, come on. you knew that was going to happen eventually
18:53:40  <auroraeosrose>cat - box
18:53:43  <auroraeosrose>they belong together
18:53:53  <wwahammy>looks about right
18:54:11  <wwahammy>he's just daring you to take him out
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19:11:32  <FearTheCowboy>Wow. I wasn't kidding when I said that each bug is really 4 or 5 bugs these days.
19:12:35  <FearTheCowboy>My 'stale' feed code, had three bugs in one line (any of which would cause it to not work) and the remote call handler itself had 3 in different places. Never mind the three bugs that cause the non-admin account to fail.
19:12:41  * FearTheCowboymust be getting old.
19:13:29  <auroraeosrose>... YAKS
19:22:40  <Scotis>when i do 'coapp install http://coapp.org/install' from it is getting from http://coapp.org/install
19:22:53  <Scotis>it doesn't install 18
19:23:12  <Scotis>it says it is superceded by 19
19:23:22  <Scotis>should i just manually dl the msi?
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19:24:21  <FearTheCowboy>ooh. you found a new bug :)
19:24:40  <FearTheCowboy>it's probably not downloading it because it's got one in the cache folder. dammit
19:24:54  <FearTheCowboy>yeah
19:24:59  <FearTheCowboy>download it manuall
19:25:01  <FearTheCowboy>y
19:25:02  <Scotis>k
19:26:10  <FearTheCowboy>I'm going to fix that right now, so that it always checks the timestamp, size and MD5 of the file and compares it against the remote
19:26:26  <Scotis>how's the coapp.org package list page holding up? any changes needed? any more feedback on it?
19:27:01  <FearTheCowboy>I've been thinking about that. I've got a few ideas; got some free time in 90mins?
19:27:21  <Scotis>yeah I should be free then
19:27:49  <FearTheCowboy>cool.
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19:34:49  * FearTheCowboylikes webservers that support either "Content-MD5" or "x-ms-meta-MD5" header for content.
19:35:33  <ender`>http://www.remote-exploit.org/archives/2012/01/09/the_apple_idioten_vektor_iv/index.html
19:37:07  <mgdm>I'm not sure i like x-ms-meta-MD5, but I like the idea :)
19:37:59  <FearTheCowboy>well, Azure uses the x-ms-meta-MD5 field for Azure storage . No idea why they couldn't use Content-MD5, but ... whatever
19:38:15  <ender`>FearTheCowboy: my guess is that they didn't know about it
19:38:19  <auroraeosrose>"wait there's more"
19:38:23  <auroraeosrose>and I think of virmitio
19:38:35  <ender`>(searching for docs? who does that?)
19:38:36  <FearTheCowboy>Either way, it makes it a bit easier to be gentle on bandwidth
19:54:46  * FearTheCowboywould go grab a hamburger, but it's raining out.
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20:30:16  <mloskot>virmitio: hi, how's it going with some docs? Sorry for bothering, just trying to keep the subject alive :)
20:34:35  <virmitio>mloskot: the additional pages are in progress, just a little slow going at the moment
20:34:57  <mloskot>virmitio: no worries, thanks!
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22:02:35  <Scotis>FearTheCowboy -> do you still want to share your ideas about the package list today?
22:02:52  <FearTheCowboy>Oh, crap, I'm on a call.. give me a few moments
22:03:16  <Scotis>np
22:03:47  <Scotis>i'm free for a while - we could do it later
22:08:41  <FearTheCowboy>ok, if I can get of fthis call... I'll ping ya
22:10:58  <Scotis>ok
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22:45:09  <Scotis>FearTheCowboy -> i'm afk for a bit - back in ~ hour
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22:56:00  <And3r5>the last url in the topic is broken, maybe add a # to the end? (or maybe my client is broken)
22:57:11  * FearTheCowboytopic: CoApp Package Management System ( http://coapp.org | https://github.com/coapp | https://github.com/coapp-packages | ML: http://launchpad.net/coapp )-- FYI, channel logging is on, what you say is forever recorded
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23:26:50  <Scotis>FearTheCowboy -> i'm back
23:27:00  <FearTheCowboy>ok, now's as good of time as any
23:27:06  <Scotis>ok
23:27:23  <FearTheCowboy>IRC or Audio (skype || Lync)?
23:27:35  <Scotis>Skype or Lync works
23:27:52  <FearTheCowboy>https://join.microsoft.com/meet/garretts/5PFYG11K
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