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14:56:42  <wwahammy>Hey I figured out sorta how to get our Logger.Message/Warning/Error's to output when we're debugging in visual studio!
14:56:54  <FearTheCowboy>FERREAL?
14:57:00  <FearTheCowboy>how-how-how
14:57:24  <wwahammy>it won't go into DebugView unfortunately but it outputs into the Visual Studio debug output window
14:57:58  <wwahammy>go to your C# project, the debug tab and turn on "Enable unmanaged code debugging"
14:58:24  <FearTheCowboy>WHAT? That's what makes it work !?
14:58:32  <wwahammy>yep
14:58:44  <wwahammy>I just googled it and tried it and I can finally get SOMETHING
15:00:56  <FearTheCowboy>sweet cheeze on crackers. Good to know
15:02:59  <wwahammy>Yep! I wish it'd output to debugview but this helps a lot
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16:08:15  <FearTheCowboy>I'm quite happy; I've got a several people asking for details regarding GSoC projects.
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17:25:05  * FearTheCowboyis getting carpel tunnel syndrome from typing GSoC response emails. Why does typing emails feel different than writing code?
17:26:27  <vpovirk>hmm, there aren't any libraries for editing/writing property sheets, are there?
17:26:46  <FearTheCowboy>all the code is in the coapp developer.toolkit library
17:26:53  <FearTheCowboy>Hmm.
17:27:02  <FearTheCowboy>I should write up some code example for that
17:27:11  <FearTheCowboy>it's actually pretty easy stuff, now.
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17:28:11  <vpovirk>well, one thing I'm concerned about is things like includes/defines
17:28:34  <vpovirk>you'd have to preserve those when when you open/save
17:28:42  <FearTheCowboy>includes are handled intrisically by the property sheet parser...
17:29:03  <FearTheCowboy>It should preserve the defines for sure when writing out.
17:29:25  <vpovirk>do you have to explicitly request string substitution?
17:29:26  <FearTheCowboy>I probably will have to write a few lines of code to ensure the imports get written back out correctly too
17:30:25  <FearTheCowboy>string substitution (actually, macro resolution) happens when you actually ask for values from the property sheet. the code keeps the document model with the macros in source form in memory
18:07:31  <ender`>http://youtu.be/YpperGvXTRw
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18:28:35  <saivert>videos too?
18:28:39  <saivert>this is too much
18:28:43  <ender`>yup
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20:05:48  <Scotis>i'm not seeing the new version of toolkit and devtools in 'coapp --force-scan list'
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20:08:54  <FearTheCowboy>Yeah, I just noticed that a few minutes ago.
20:09:01  <FearTheCowboy>Apparently, I broke 'stale' again
20:09:33  <FearTheCowboy>I changed --force-scan to reset the stale flag, but it seems that is doesn't respect it
20:09:53  <FearTheCowboy>A couple days ago, it thought everthing was always stale on every single call.
20:09:54  <ender`>100 little bugs in the code, 100 bugs in the code, fix one bug, compile it again, 102 little bugs in the code, 102 little bugs in the code... -- Coder's Ditty
20:09:59  <FearTheCowboy>Yeah
20:10:16  <Scotis>i know how that goes :|
20:10:26  <FearTheCowboy>it didn't help that my desktop OS cratered yesterday, and I thoguht I'd try Win8. Mistake.
20:10:44  <FearTheCowboy>Was working till 10pm last night reinstalling Win2008R2 and setting stuff up again
20:11:08  <Scotis>so to install new toolkit - just download the msi?
20:11:32  <FearTheCowboy>you can install with coapp install http://coapp.org/devtools
20:11:39  <FearTheCowboy>and coapp install http://coapp.org/install
20:12:49  <ender`><FearTheCowboy> it didn't help that my desktop OS cratered yesterday, and I thoguht I'd try Win8. Mistake. <- haha . haha ha hahah ha ha.
20:13:41  <ender`>i can imagine win8 will work very nicely on a tablet. but on a desktop with 2 (or more) 24"+ monitors ... not so well
20:13:58  <FearTheCowboy>Well, 6 monitors wasn't my biggest problems.
20:14:29  <FearTheCowboy>The ATI drivers don't have a way to turn off overscan on HDMI connections, so it was scaling one of my screens
20:14:39  <mgdm>overscan FTL
20:14:53  <FearTheCowboy>and then I ran into a bunch of problems with installing VS2010 updates
20:15:01  <ender`>overscan on HDMI?! why?!
20:15:11  <mgdm>ender`: because fuck you, essentially
20:15:15  <mgdm>wait and I'll find the link...
20:15:26  <FearTheCowboy>apparently, HDMI == TV and TV==NEEDS OVERSCAN
20:15:28  <ender`>one more reason to stay with nvidia
20:15:33  <FearTheCowboy>Dunno *why*
20:15:50  <mgdm>it's not an ATI vs. nvidia thing
20:15:56  <mgdm>though one or other might make it more controllable
20:16:04  <ender`>i've got 2 monitors connected with HDMI->DVI cables at work (one is 22" 1680x1050, the other is 17" 1280x1024)
20:16:11  <mgdm>ender`: try http://mjg59.dreamwidth.org/8705.html
20:16:15  <FearTheCowboy>Well, to be honest, my fucking Sharp LCD TV tries to overscan for some reason
20:16:29  <mgdm>FearTheCowboy: see that link, if you're interested in the details
20:16:35  <mgdm>it's really quite tragic
20:16:41  <ender`>one monitor is on geforce 420, the othe one is on intel HD. both treat them as if it was a standard DVI connection
20:17:10  <ender`>speaking of my work computer: http://eternallybored.org/imgs/comp/donotremove.jpg
20:17:31  <mgdm>what happens if you do?
20:17:46  <ender`>i did - i wanted to connect 3 (and now 4) monitors
20:18:21  <ender`>turns out that Intel's drivers will freeze (if you hotplug the monitor) or BSOD (if you coldplug it and boot up the machine) unless the on-board card is set as primary in BIOS
20:18:48  <mgdm>blimey
20:18:56  <FearTheCowboy>ffs
20:19:13  <ender`>but once you do that, it works just fine
20:19:38  <ender`>also, the machine originally came with 4GB RAM, and the GeForce 420 card in it has 2GB RAM...
20:19:40  <FearTheCowboy>What kills me, is that the TV vendors are stupid, and the video card vendors are double stupid
20:20:13  <mgdm>the entire world is built on stupid stacked upon stupid
20:20:20  <mgdm>it just shows more in some places than others
20:20:22  <FearTheCowboy>Covered in Stupidsauce
20:21:05  <ender`>nvidia's drivers are quite sane compared to ati and intel
20:21:32  <FearTheCowboy>I dunno, NVidia's have some painful parts to them too. I keep waffling on which I hate more
20:21:56  <FearTheCowboy>ATI is getting close to winning my hate tho
20:22:34  <FearTheCowboy>Next TV I buy, I'm taking a laptop to the store first.
20:22:48  <ender`>haha
20:22:49  <FearTheCowboy>and seing what it does when I plug in hdmi
20:23:39  <FearTheCowboy>Actually, that's the really weird thing. My wife's laptop does 1080p out on HDMI. We plugged that into the TV, and it had black overscan compensation borders ... on the TV that forces everything else plugged into HDMI to overscan.
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20:24:00  <FearTheCowboy>On the one damn thing that it could have kept overscan on, it turned it off!
20:25:13  <ender`>Murphy!
20:27:01  <FearTheCowboy>And no matter how much playing with the deep-dark signals on the NVidia, I can't get the TV to do that for that card.
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21:00:12  <vpovirk>I wonder what the world would be like if we could have arbitrarily wide systray icons
21:01:17  <virmitio>I'd just make all of mine vary on a random number generator between 0 and 5 pixels (inclusive)
21:04:03  <ender`>...why?
21:04:23  <mgdm>Because He Can™?
21:04:34  <mgdm>(making a possibly unwarranted assumption, there)
21:05:08  <vpovirk>this trend of people actually typing ™ makes me happy
21:06:16  <ender|>‮ʍɥɐʇˌs so sdǝɔıɐl ɐqonʇ ʇɯ¿
21:06:41  <mgdm>AltGr + Shift + 8 isn't that hard to type
21:06:49  <mgdm>(granted this is a Linux box ;-)
21:07:51  <ender|>
21:11:19  <mgdm>ಠ__ಠ
21:11:43  <Afal>(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻
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21:23:45  <ender|>
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21:50:04  <FearTheCowboy>Gaaaah. They sure made setting the DACL for services a pain in the ass from c#
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23:20:08  <saivert>love this.. "tl;dr - Your 1920x1080 TV takes a 1920x1080 signal, chops the edges off it and then stretches the rest to fit the screen because of decisions made in the 1930s."
23:20:51  * FearTheCowboyis weeping in the corner
23:21:00  <mgdm>it's really rather depressing
23:21:21  <saivert>YAY for progress people!
23:21:32  <saivert>we will surely get to mars one day
23:22:00  <saivert> /hyperbole
23:22:01  <FearTheCowboy>There was a better chance of getting to mars in 1971 than now
23:22:11  <saivert>no incentives like in the cold war
23:22:25  <saivert>unless the Russians say they will get there first all of a sudden
23:22:46  <mgdm>even then, I suspect nobody would act
23:23:01  <saivert>you are right. we would just say "ah let them go there. who cares..."
23:23:07  * mgdmis a UKian, but one of his regrets is that he'll never see a Shuttle launch
23:23:27  <saivert>that is your regret? really?
23:23:40  <saivert>it is just a lot of fire. nothing much
23:23:41  <mgdm>It's one of them, by far not the buggest
23:23:45  <mgdm>biggest, even
23:24:07  <saivert>hey you can always hope to get on the Virgin space flight thing
23:24:26  <mgdm>if I ever have a spare 100k (USD or GBP, whatever :) I'll give it a go
23:24:35  <mgdm>chances are slim, though :)
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