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14:36:30  <FearTheCowboy>auroraeosrose -> was the purpose of RT'ing that an attempt into not having me watch a video with a skimpily dressed model?
14:36:48  <auroraeosrose>no
14:36:55  <auroraeosrose>did you see the conversation yesterday?
14:37:03  <mgdm>was that the geeklist faily thing?
14:37:06  <auroraeosrose>continuing today?
14:37:12  <FearTheCowboy>no I didn't
14:37:13  <auroraeosrose>yes, that was the geeklist fail thingy
14:37:18  <auroraeosrose>holy - well FearTheCowboy
14:37:25  <auroraeosrose>http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3736037
14:37:40  <auroraeosrose>mgdm: I'm holding back from making a snarky
14:37:58  <FearTheCowboy>Oh, I saw the Lighten Up blog post this morning.
14:37:58  <auroraeosrose>"where's my geeklist video with the hot, shirtless male models in calvin klein undies?"
14:38:14  <auroraeosrose>I was discussing with my friends how women handle those situations differently
14:38:47  <FearTheCowboy>In Canada, it doesn't go down like that at all... but then generally speaking, Canadians are a tad more polite than the average American.
14:39:37  <mgdm>I thought the "OMG YOU SAID A BAD WORD" bit was somewhat... pathetic
14:39:44  <FearTheCowboy>I keep seeing sexism-related tweets, and when I read the aritcle, I'm like "who the hell even acts like that?"
14:39:59  <FearTheCowboy>I fear I've lead a very sheltered life.
14:41:20  <auroraeosrose>FearTheCowboy: I fear you have as well
14:41:28  * auroraeosrosepats on head
14:41:41  <mgdm>I didn't think it was all that hard not to be a dickhead
14:41:49  <auroraeosrose>that's ok, I'm one of the "get mad, get even" variety instead of the "laugh it off or walk away"
14:41:51  <mgdm>apparently some people have problems with it
14:41:59  <auroraeosrose>mgdm: yeah....
14:42:53  <FearTheCowboy>Then again, Racism doesn't exist in Canada when compared to the US, really. I never really experienced racism until I worked in South Carolina for a couple months when I was 26.
14:43:51  <auroraeosrose>heh - it's weird to go south for me on that FearTheCowboy
14:44:41  <FearTheCowboy>When I think about it, the general interpersonal politeness is what I really miss from Canada.
14:44:44  <FearTheCowboy>*sigh*
14:45:53  <auroraeosrose>FearTheCowboy: I see a lot of that change between big and small communities as well
14:46:05  <auroraeosrose>I live in dinkville USA - but it's suprisingly polite here
14:46:17  <auroraeosrose>going to the city is always culture shock for me
14:46:36  <FearTheCowboy>I can see that.
14:48:46  <FearTheCowboy>...
14:49:13  <FearTheCowboy>In other news; we need to get the word out about Google Summer Of Code for COApp
14:50:07  <auroraeosrose>yeah, we do
14:50:20  <auroraeosrose>you want c# devs though mainly right?
14:50:50  <FearTheCowboy>Yeah; the work we're doing on tools is mostly c#
14:51:02  <FearTheCowboy>although a C++ dev could do the Visual Studio plugin entirely in c++
14:52:00  <auroraeosrose>just thinking of places to publicize it
14:52:51  <FearTheCowboy>And, if we get more ideas on stuff we need that we haven't started, it doens't have to be in C# ... I should have a COM wrapper for the whole engine API working in a week or so.
14:53:10  <FearTheCowboy>So, really, tools can do stuff from any language that supports COM
14:53:30  <auroraeosrose>ewww, com
14:53:43  <auroraeosrose>want to do one of our evil wrappers for the engine api
14:53:52  <auroraeosrose>that code still floating about FearTheCowboy?
14:54:02  <auroraeosrose>so we can do wrappers from anything C ;)
14:54:07  <mgdm>PHP \o/
14:54:08  <FearTheCowboy>Well, .NET makes it easy to expose the com stuff, so I didn't have to work hard at that
14:54:17  <auroraeosrose>hehe, yeah
14:54:56  <FearTheCowboy>really, any other language could write a wrapper that talked over the named pipe too; the message format is pretty simple
14:56:41  <auroraeosrose>this is true
14:56:43  <auroraeosrose>hmmm
14:56:45  <auroraeosrose>actually
14:56:51  <auroraeosrose>C library to do that might be in order ;)
14:56:54  <auroraeosrose>now THAT would be fun
14:57:42  <FearTheCowboy>Not terribly difficult; Might help if I updated the message docs a bit, but that's not terribly difficult.
14:58:02  <auroraeosrose>btw FearTheCowboy, I've done mentoring before for PHP stuff - would do it again if you need mentors
14:58:16  <auroraeosrose>FearTheCowboy: that really sounds like a fun project actually
14:58:50  <FearTheCowboy>Good to know; make sure you're registered in the GSOC site; if I we can get a few slots, we'll definitely need you for that.
14:59:13  <auroraeosrose>okie dokie
15:04:12  <FearTheCowboy>it's possible if we get enough student interest that we could score 3 spots.
15:04:57  <auroraeosrose>hmmm, where do I need to register?
15:05:27  <FearTheCowboy> http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/homepage/google/gsoc2012
15:14:07  <FearTheCowboy>Request as a mentor for Outercurve foundation
15:32:14  <FearTheCowboy>auroraeosrose -> did you see my email to the coapp list on GSOC this morning?
15:32:36  <FearTheCowboy>I can see the message in the archive on launchpad, but it didn't show up in my mailbox yet.
15:44:28  <vpovirk>I didn't get it
15:46:05  <FearTheCowboy>Hmm. Launchpad is sliding further and further into lameness. Damn mailing list server can't even send out mails now?
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15:54:11  <ender`>FearTheCowboy: i haven't received anything on the coapp mailing list today
15:55:25  <FearTheCowboy>dammit.
15:55:30  <FearTheCowboy>that crappy list is killin' me
16:03:10  <auroraeosrose>FearTheCowboy: what do I put in the message?
16:03:35  <FearTheCowboy>"Garrett told me to tell you that I'm applying as a mentor for the CoApp project"
16:05:33  <auroraeosrose>seeeent
16:06:13  <FearTheCowboy>Awesomesauce
16:06:22  <FearTheCowboy>Now, poke any students you know.
16:06:23  <FearTheCowboy>:)
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16:23:02  <auroraeosrose>hehe
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16:26:17  <auroraeosrose>cross platform C library to speak over named pipes to the service - that would be a fun project
16:26:45  <vpovirk>"cross platform"?
16:27:07  <FearTheCowboy>"cross platform?"
16:27:47  <auroraeosrose>yes, I am evil
16:28:28  <vpovirk>so, besides windows, what platforms are going to run the service?
16:28:51  <vpovirk>or are you thinking we'd connect the named pipes remotely?
16:28:52  <auroraeosrose>just windows runs the service
16:28:58  <auroraeosrose>yeeeesssssssss
16:29:19  <auroraeosrose>probably not by default
16:29:56  <vpovirk>so we'd have to use samba on non-windows platforms
16:30:07  <auroraeosrose>probably
16:30:30  <FearTheCowboy>The pipe is configured for non-network access (the service doesn't have access to networking at all)
16:30:53  <FearTheCowboy>and the client has to have some local filesystem access rights
16:31:24  <FearTheCowboy>the only remote administration we're planning on is via powershell remoting
16:31:47  <FearTheCowboy>it may also be possible to use the COM object remotely via DCOM
16:32:16  <auroraeosrose>seems like reporting would be a useful thing though.... even if you couldn't remotely administrate it
16:32:20  <auroraeosrose>for security reasons
16:33:02  <FearTheCowboy>That would be possible via powershell.
16:33:18  <FearTheCowboy>which provides a much better security model than I could
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22:59:39  <mgdm>I love the way it gives reasons :)
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23:08:15  <mloskot>FearTheCowboy: you here?
23:08:52  <FearTheCowboy>Yeap
23:12:11  <virmitio>mloskot: your house isn't burning down around you, is it? we frown on that sort of thing, here...
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23:13:25  <mloskot>virmitio: hmm, I live in wet and rainy england :)
23:13:34  <mloskot>FearTheCowboy: it's been long time...
23:13:47  <virmitio>mloskot: that does not preclude the possibility
23:13:51  <FearTheCowboy>Time for me has no meaning
23:14:01  <mloskot>:)
23:14:19  <mloskot>FearTheCowboy: so, I have a big idea of packing plenty of software. I remember you promised some getting started for packagers...
23:14:32  <mloskot>Where shall I start learning how to package for CoApp?
23:14:38  <FearTheCowboy>virmitio is the master of packages these days
23:14:44  <mloskot>or, I shall wait a bit more for docs?
23:15:05  <FearTheCowboy>there is a bit more docs; he can point you to what there is
23:15:07  <mloskot>sweet
23:15:13  <FearTheCowboy>and hlp you with the rest
23:16:02  <mloskot>virmitio: I'd be greatfull for any pointers
23:16:41  <virmitio>best places to start are here [http://coapp.org/developers/packagingbestpractices.html], followed by here [http://coapp.org/news/2012-03-17-Getting-Started-with-Autopackage---Part-1.html]
23:16:41  * mloskothas just removed all VS express, WDK, VS11DP, and did clean and lean VS2010 Pro setup only, ready for testing and packaging
23:17:34  <mloskot>Cool, that's what I spotted today too.
23:17:50  <mloskot>What about "how to get stared with CoApp" for users?
23:17:52  <virmitio>well, you'll want to also have WIX 3.6 installed to actually construct packages
23:18:50  <virmitio>mloskot: yeah, haven't had a chance to make that one yet (not in any meaningful sense, anyway)
23:19:23  <virmitio>for starting from nothing (except a compiler and WIX installed)
23:19:45  <virmitio>hit http://coapp.org/devtools to grab the latest tools for package building
23:19:56  <mloskot>virmitio: what about simple use case
23:20:12  <mloskot>I'm new to CoApp, I found this page http://coapp.org/pages/packages.html
23:20:16  <mloskot>I see, it offers Expat.
23:20:30  <mloskot>What I'm supposed to do to install Expat using CoApp ?
23:20:59  <mloskot>I mean, I'm not expecting answer here and now, but I think such simple explanation could state a nice "how to get started"
23:21:10  <madewokherd>uh oh
23:21:18  <virmitio>hmm
23:21:23  <madewokherd>that you haven't already figured it out is a bad sign
23:21:30  <virmitio>lol
23:21:40  <mloskot>madewokherd: I have, I grab CoAPp Package manager and I play with it
23:21:55  <madewokherd>nope
23:21:58  <madewokherd>well you could
23:22:02  <virmitio>I'm pretty sure it's a case example instead of a present problem right now
23:22:26  <virmitio>I'll see what I can rig up here in a moment
23:24:20  <madewokherd>I would think we'd need a gui + updater before anything besides downloading/running msi's is generally viable
23:25:14  <virmitio>doesn't mean we can't explain how someone entirely new to making coapp packages can get starte/jump right in
23:25:54  <mloskot>Exactly. Making GUI will take ages, much than writing a single page on how to get Expat library installed from CoApp
23:25:57  <mloskot>KISS
23:26:00  <mloskot>:)
23:26:28  <FearTheCowboy>coapp install expat-*-x86
23:27:12  <FearTheCowboy>or, just download the msi and double click it
23:27:42  <mloskot>Yes, the latter is one of the brilliant things CoApp does.
23:28:33  <mloskot>Though, the former...is nowhere explained. I go to http://coapp.org/, I'm given "Get Software", I go there and I see no further instruction
23:29:02  <mloskot>I'm not complaining :)
23:29:07  <FearTheCowboy>Welcome to open source software
23:29:19  <mloskot>Hehe, I just wanted to say it
23:30:16  <mloskot>FearTheCowboy: I always find solutions on my own, without big problems, but for the sake of broad adoption of CoApp, I really do thing more (quick)docs is necessary
23:30:46  <FearTheCowboy>Well, unfortunately, nobody has stepped forward to actually write out some of these things
23:31:02  <FearTheCowboy>And, as I'm busy actually writing the software; I can't stop to write it all down
23:31:26  <mloskot>FearTheCowboy: sure, as I said, no complain
23:31:30  <FearTheCowboy>at this point, anyone who has time to ask a few questions and understand it, is more than welcome to actually write some content
23:32:19  <mloskot>I will try, but at tihs moment I have not found anchor point
23:32:37  <mloskot>FearTheCowboy: URL on https://github.com/coapp
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23:32:56  <mloskot>to https://github.com/organizations/coapp is right?
23:33:14  <mloskot>I click on it and it goes to https://github.com/
23:33:37  <FearTheCowboy>http://coapp.org/pages/developers.html
23:35:05  <mloskot>I don't get it, how it is related to https://github.com/organizations/coapp ?
23:35:17  <virmitio>mloskot: if you can stand to wait until tomorrow, I'm working on better documentation that should be somewhat more clear and accessable
23:35:42  <mloskot>virmitio: sounds great!
23:35:56  <mloskot>Thanks!
23:36:34  <mloskot>I have a few questoins about strategy of what I'm going to do, but I'll post it to the list
23:37:21  <virmitio>mloskot: that would be fine, though you are always welcome to check here for suggestions and larifications as well
23:37:32  <virmitio>*clarifications
23:37:52  <mloskot>sure
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23:38:29  <mloskot>FearTheCowboy: about the GSOC2012, I used to be mentor a while ago, for projects within OSGeo Foundation.
23:39:06  <mloskot>I think I could offer myself for CoApp too, but I simply have too little experience with CoApp
23:39:31  <mloskot>but if there is emergency and mentor needed, perhaps I could improvise :D
23:41:21  <madewokherd>I feel the same; I'm happy to help but don't know that I have applicable experience
23:42:19  <mloskot>right
23:42:47  <virmitio>mloskot, madewokherd: if you feel up to it, go ahead and sign up to be a mentor for the Outercurve Foundation (mention CoApp in the request description). I'm sure we can bring you up to speed in plenty of time
23:43:20  <mloskot>virmitio: good idea
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23:55:59  * mloskothas just sent request to become Mentor for Outcurve/CoApp
23:56:07  <virmitio>works