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15:41:49  <FearTheCowboy>Anyone here like doing client-side-web development? (mostly javascript work)... I'd really love a volunteer to do some tweaks to the package feed page http://coapp.org/pages/packages.html
15:42:14  <FearTheCowboy>it grabs the feed using javascript and adds the items to the page.
15:42:43  <FearTheCowboy><crickets>
15:48:19  <virmitio>If I clear the package quota by RC I can probably work on it, but I'm not going to make any promises on that.
15:49:58  <auroraeosrose>I"m patiently waiting for the PHP-src git migration ... THIS WEEK
15:50:00  <auroraeosrose>HURRAY
15:50:01  <auroraeosrose>ahem
15:50:26  <virmitio>that reminds me...
15:51:07  <auroraeosrose>who was working on the gtk stack?
15:51:08  <virmitio>auroraeosrose: you don't happen to have a relatively complete dependecy tree/chart/list for current version php, do you?
15:51:11  <auroraeosrose>that one was pretty close too
15:51:26  <auroraeosrose>virmitio: um, there's one on the wiki but the one in my head is better
15:52:16  <virmitio>auroraeosrose: if you get the chance to type it out and send it my way sometime, I'd appreciate it
15:52:34  <auroraeosrose>virmitio: when you mean complete list...
15:52:41  <auroraeosrose>core needs apache, zlib, libxml2, iconv
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15:57:53  <vpovirk>I was working on the gtk stack
15:58:28  <vpovirk>but I could never get a library package to successfully build
15:59:56  <auroraeosrose>how close to the stack are we ?
16:00:32  <auroraeosrose>pixman? cairo? libtiff? all the other random stuff underneath?
16:00:38  <auroraeosrose>I should go look
16:01:06  <vpovirk>I think atk and all dependencies are the only things that don't have a fork that builds
16:01:21  <auroraeosrose>so atk is the sticking point?
16:01:32  <auroraeosrose>did pango/font-config/freetype get done?
16:01:55  <vpovirk>font-config may be missing; I thought I read it was optional
16:02:24  <auroraeosrose>it's supposed to be
16:02:24  <vpovirk>I don't have my list available at the moment
16:02:44  <vpovirk>apparently pango is missing
16:02:52  <vpovirk>libtiff is optional
16:03:12  <auroraeosrose>I think last I knew font-config was optional for cairo
16:03:14  <auroraeosrose>NOT for pango
16:03:17  <auroraeosrose>which made stuff go poof
16:03:58  <vpovirk>atk requires a functioning glib, so I was waiting for a glib package before trying to build it
16:04:37  <auroraeosrose>hmmm, glib isn't working yet?
16:04:48  <auroraeosrose>that shouldn't be as hard... it doesn't need as much junk....
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16:06:21  <vpovirk>it builds, but I didn't package it because at the time I didn't have the tools to package things
16:06:24  <vpovirk>and now the tools don't work
16:06:35  <auroraeosrose>ahhhh - so....
16:06:56  <FearTheCowboy>what's broken right now?
16:06:56  <auroraeosrose>we beat on FearTheCowboy
16:07:08  <virmitio>packaging tools are presently working
16:07:08  <vpovirk>can't connect to coapp service, ever
16:07:10  <FearTheCowboy>devtools-1.1.2-1400 works for me & time
16:07:12  <vpovirk>before that I had a wix error
16:07:14  <virmitio>devtools build 1400 works fine
16:07:16  <FearTheCowboy>even as administrator?
16:07:19  <vpovirk>which is probably still not fixed
16:07:39  <vpovirk>you're not seriously asking me to build as administrator?
16:07:59  <vpovirk>that'll screw up all my permissions
16:08:00  <FearTheCowboy>Just until I can get to fixing those bugs
16:08:05  <virmitio>only wix errors I've received on any of my test machines in the past while have been from having the wrong (old) version installed
16:08:43  <virmitio>if you'd prefer, you can work everything until the point of packaging, then drop me a line and I'll crank it out for you
16:11:17  <vpovirk>well, I can't even build things anymore
16:11:44  <vpovirk>because of not being able to connect to the service
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16:53:16  <saivert>just learned that powershell tries to group output together unless you do Format-Table on each thing so if you do Get-ChildItem twice it will display as one table with both sets of items. instead do Get-ChildItem | Format-Table \n Get-ChildItem | Format-Table and you get two tables. this is in scripts of course. on the PS prompt each command is separate anyways.
16:55:05  <saivert>I want to make a custom PSSnapin/cmdlet. maybe make one for coapp.
17:01:31  <auroraeosrose>ooooh FearTheCowboy
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17:01:45  <auroraeosrose>question?
17:02:32  <auroraeosrose>when requesting a developer package of an installed package with several flavors - is coapp intelligent enough to assume the dev package you want should match the flavor you have installed unless otherwise specified?
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17:14:25  <virmitio>auroraeosrose: he says "not yet"
17:14:43  <auroraeosrose>I don't like that answer ;)
17:14:51  <auroraeosrose>then again I could just find the code....
17:14:59  <virmitio>though we could probably use variables within the ptk/autopackage scripts to accomplish a similar effect
17:31:29  <FearTheCowboy>saivert -> virmitio already has powershell scripts for CoApp started. I think he's just trying to get some other packages done before packaging those up
17:31:51  <FearTheCowboy>saivert -> we actually also have specific support in CoApp for packaging powershell cmdlets :)
17:32:53  <FearTheCowboy>auroraeosrose -> it's really easy to do that with variables in ptk & autopkg ... perhaps we'll get around to making that smarter after we release :)
17:36:12  <auroraeosrose>okey dokey FearTheCowboy
17:36:27  <auroraeosrose>I was just thinking the php packaging would be a bit nasty for that
17:36:44  <auroraeosrose>also - are "meta" packages in this release or on the roadmap somewhere?
17:37:02  <FearTheCowboy>I think we're going to put them in scope for RC
17:37:09  <FearTheCowboy>so, sometime before the end of April
17:38:14  <auroraeosrose>ok
17:38:36  * auroraeosrosereally wants her own make-windows-not-suck package
17:39:39  <virmitio>auroraeosrose: I'd be really interested to see what's in that and what it depends on...
17:40:21  <auroraeosrose>virmitio: I want to install it on every machine after a virgin install ;)
17:40:57  <auroraeosrose>oh look, there's grep and sed and ls and php and other yet to be named things ;)
17:40:59  <auroraeosrose>speaking of
17:41:12  <auroraeosrose>what is the procedure for publishing an app
17:41:42  <auroraeosrose>say - putty or winscp
17:42:03  <FearTheCowboy>get it building with ptk, and make a .autpkg file for it, and tim will make sure that it's in the build server
17:42:14  <auroraeosrose>sweet
17:42:19  <auroraeosrose>let's see what they need
17:42:19  <FearTheCowboy>then it will pull, build, and publish automatically
17:42:28  <FearTheCowboy>putty would be double-awesome
17:43:29  <auroraeosrose>yeah, that should be at the top of the list I think
17:43:52  <FearTheCowboy>that'd be a great one to start with. should be pretty doable.
17:44:10  <auroraeosrose>hmmm - have to vendor it looks like...
17:44:46  <auroraeosrose>there is svn.... but yeah
17:47:04  <auroraeosrose>heh, there are osx and linux versions of putty?
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17:47:27  <FearTheCowboy>yeah, I dunno what that's all about o_O
17:48:25  <saivert>why not?
17:48:51  <FearTheCowboy>why not just use the ssh on Linux/osx?
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17:49:07  <saivert>consistency across platforms I guess
17:49:11  <saivert>that would be one argument
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17:49:47  <saivert>I tried PuTTY for Mac OS X once. because I hated they keyboard handling in Terminal.app
17:50:03  <saivert>but it exhibited the same behavior as Terminal.app. a shame
17:50:27  <saivert>I wanted Windows/Linux like keyboard handling
17:53:40  <saivert>FearTheCowboy: ah cool. someone was already on the ball heh..
17:54:44  <virmitio>saivert: only kindof, the PS module in question is many versions out of date to the current toolkit and already needed some work besides
17:55:16  <saivert>yes but coapp does have a SDK/API?
17:55:28  <saivert>so you can programatically query the repos and do the stuff that coapp CLI app can
17:55:49  <saivert>I was thinking like making a cmdlet like "Get-CoAppPackage"
17:56:03  <FearTheCowboy>CoApp does have two client libraries (coapp.toolkit and coapp.toolkit.engine.client) look in c:\programdata\referenceassemblies\...
17:56:11  <virmitio>yes, there are two options for that:
17:57:01  <FearTheCowboy>but, it's .NET 4.0; which makes it a bit trickier to use
17:57:08  <virmitio>you can either link into the client libs (which will make your cmdlets require a .Net 4 environment to even be loaded) or you can manually pass queries to the service via named pipes
17:57:45  <virmitio>I think I'm going to end up re-writing my module to directly use named pipes to make it natively compatable with powershell 2.0
17:57:54  <FearTheCowboy>o_O
17:58:23  <FearTheCowboy>mabye we should make a non-async client library then
17:58:42  <FearTheCowboy>hmm.
17:59:05  <saivert>well Powershell does support background jobs.
17:59:11  <virmitio>FearTheCowboy: won't make much difference to the decision on the PS module unless the new client lib is linked no higher than .Net 3.5
17:59:38  <FearTheCowboy>virmitio -> we'd make sure it was .NET 3.5 ready
18:00:06  <virmitio>side note before I run away to a meeting: dev packages are now up in the feed for BerkeleyDB
18:00:07  <FearTheCowboy>I'm just saying, take the current one, and use it as a roadmap to make a .net 2.0 libaray
18:00:13  <saivert>well .NET 3.5 is fine. Windows 8 is all .NET 4.0 (incl. Powershell)
18:00:52  <FearTheCowboy>saivert -> I think we should wait a couple weeks before trying to tackle that yet.
18:01:08  <virmitio>saivert: true, but if we want the modules to be supported out-of-the-box all the way back to XP and Server2003, it can't use anything higher than .Net 3.5
18:01:26  <FearTheCowboy>I'm adding in a few more pipe-level APIs right now. Once those are in, I could generate a .NET 3.5 compatible wrapper for them
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18:09:51  <FearTheCowboy>auroraeosrose -> gonna join the Azure call?
18:10:18  <auroraeosrose>um, yeah, is that right now?
18:10:21  <FearTheCowboy>ya
18:10:33  <auroraeosrose>coming, coming
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18:56:56  <virmitio>HamishC: have been doing the minor cleanup needed to have your packages published, but hit a problem with the pcre repo
18:57:27  <virmitio>it appears to be missing a VC project file that the solution file expects
19:00:08  <ender`>hah: http://blogs.technet.com/b/askds/archive/2012/03/09/unresponsive-servers-due-to-dst-and-an-unsupported-registry-key.aspx
19:01:54  <auroraeosrose>wow - now that is broken
19:04:48  <Scotis>FearTheCowboy -> you said earlier you were wondering if someone wanted to help out w/ some javascript stuff?
19:05:51  <FearTheCowboy>Yeah
19:06:09  <FearTheCowboy>the website package feed page is kinda simplistic
19:06:19  <Scotis>i might be able to help out w/ that - what are the details?
19:06:23  <FearTheCowboy>and I'd like to see it display the feed in a much more useful way.
19:06:38  <FearTheCowboy>1 sec...
19:07:23  <vpovirk>is it weird that I just type coapp.org/feed in my browser and read that?
19:07:29  <FearTheCowboy>no
19:07:36  <FearTheCowboy>that was designed to be that easy
19:07:36  <FearTheCowboy>:)
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19:07:52  <FearTheCowboy>but, I'd like a somewhat navigable page
19:09:16  <FearTheCowboy>Scotis -> do you have the Lync attendee client installed? This will be easier if I can talk & show you what I'm looking for
19:09:23  <Scotis>yes i do
19:09:33  <FearTheCowboy>https://join.microsoft.com/meet/garretts/F0F4B6TH
19:09:41  <FearTheCowboy>oops
19:09:42  <FearTheCowboy>wait
19:10:11  <FearTheCowboy>ok
19:10:16  <FearTheCowboy>now click the link
19:10:31  <auroraeosrose>that.... was.... funny
19:14:54  <virmitio>auroraeosrose: it's even funnier in person
19:15:28  <FearTheCowboy>The tutorials are on page http://coapp.org/pages/developers.html
19:16:53  <auroraeosrose>where is my "the shallow forking process"
19:17:19  <FearTheCowboy>Top Secret
19:17:48  * auroraeosrosewhimpers
19:17:53  <auroraeosrose>howfor can I do putty
19:18:16  <FearTheCowboy>1 sec. I'll give you the terse version
19:18:37  <auroraeosrose>hehe, I just need to know how to vendor branch properly cause I"m a git baby
19:18:37  <virmitio>"So youz gots the tarball in your hands and then you push it to the repos..."
19:18:57  <auroraeosrose>must.... packagize....7zip
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19:18:59  <auroraeosrose>woot!
19:19:20  <auroraeosrose>first two things installed on every windows box - putty, 7zip
19:19:28  <virmitio>woot? whyfor the woot?
19:19:59  <auroraeosrose>gpl - I cna haz source
19:20:05  <FearTheCowboy>https://github.com/coapp/coapp.org/wiki/Tarball-fork
19:20:25  <auroraeosrose>yes, yes, that is what I need
19:20:36  <FearTheCowboy>that's the 'how to build the git repo to support merging from upstream'
19:20:41  <auroraeosrose>and svn/non github mirrored gits do that right
19:21:01  <FearTheCowboy>anything that's not github should use that
19:21:08  <FearTheCowboy>take a 'stable' tarball
19:21:32  <auroraeosrose>but if it has an "official" github mirror or is on github we fork it
19:21:38  <FearTheCowboy>Indeed
19:21:43  * auroraeosroseis just making sure things are right in her brain
19:21:55  <FearTheCowboy>then you can look at http://coapp.org/developers/packagingbestpractices.html for the general method do making a .buildinfo file
19:22:27  <FearTheCowboy>and autopackage
19:22:31  <vpovirk>I've been forking non-github gits in some cases..
19:23:12  <auroraeosrose>hmmm - how seamless is that?
19:23:25  <FearTheCowboy>you can also look at the zlib fork as an example https://github.com/coapp-packages/zlib
19:23:50  <virmitio>auroraeosrose: if something doesn't make sense in the best practices doc, have a look at the zlib packaging files or ask me and I'll try to invent an answer
19:23:55  <FearTheCowboy>I dunno; I'm happier at this point using tarballs for non-github sources, but I'm not exactly a git master...
19:24:34  <vpovirk>well, you have to be comfortable with multiple remotes
19:25:03  <vpovirk>but otherwise, it's pretty much the same as vendor branches, except you move the upstream branch to a revision in upstream git
19:25:09  <auroraeosrose>just write the commands down somewhere and I"ll be plenty comfortable ;)
19:26:19  <vpovirk>uh....... maybe it's better if you stick with tarballs...
19:26:49  <auroraeosrose>LOL
19:27:06  <vpovirk>well actually, what does the github process look like?
19:27:09  <vpovirk>it shouldn't be much different
19:27:27  <FearTheCowboy>I haven't done a github one yet <grin>
19:27:49  <FearTheCowboy>I was hoping someone had that kinda worked out
19:28:17  <Scotis>when installing Git - if you already have TortoiseSVN & Putty installed - should i use Putty or Plink for SSH for Git?
19:28:20  <vpovirk>well, I do it roughly the same as non-github, except I create the repo in github by forking :/
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19:29:04  <FearTheCowboy>Scotis -> I use plink for git personall
19:29:06  <FearTheCowboy>y
19:29:25  <Scotis>never used Plink - what is diff vs putty?
19:29:26  <auroraeosrose>up to you Scotis, I like putty/plink
19:29:38  <FearTheCowboy>plink is part of putty
19:29:41  <auroraeosrose>plink is command line version basically
19:29:46  <FearTheCowboy>http://coapp.org/developers/git.html
19:29:49  <Scotis>ah!
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19:54:17  <vpovirk>where forking an existing git (whether of the hub variety or not) gets a little difficult is if you have multiple branches upstream
19:55:02  <vpovirk>you have to have two local branches for each upstream branch that has a release tag you want to use
19:56:26  <vpovirk>I don't know how to use the command line to verify things like: is this tag on this branch?
19:56:44  <vpovirk>or better, what branches contain this tag?
19:56:51  <vpovirk>though gitk can tell you that
19:58:10  <vpovirk>and there's some mess if you want to move changes from one branch to another
19:58:27  <Scotis>'node.exe' is not recognized as an internal or external command,
19:58:27  <Scotis>operable program or batch file.
19:58:31  <Scotis>'node.exe' is not recognized as an internal or external command,
19:58:31  <Scotis>operable program or batch file.
19:58:35  <Scotis>whops
19:58:39  <Scotis>sorry
19:58:59  <Scotis>i get that when i run 'server.cmd' - is that an issue?
19:59:04  <Scotis>for coapp.org
20:00:08  <FearTheCowboy>yeah, it does that, since it's detecting if node is in your path (when it doesnt find it, it uses the local one)
20:00:14  <Scotis>ah
20:00:16  <FearTheCowboy>I should suppress that msg
20:00:28  <Scotis>oh i see - server.cmd is running node - so it shouldn't exit
20:00:39  <virmitio>correct
20:01:32  <Scotis>is there anyway to change the root path of all the css/js ?
20:02:16  <FearTheCowboy>it copies it from src/static/.. to the output directory when it detects a change on disk
20:02:25  <FearTheCowboy>how did you want to change it?
20:03:12  <Scotis>it is in coapp.org/out/ right now
20:03:27  <Scotis>so if i use that - in my browser locally - it won't get the css or js files
20:03:48  <Scotis>beause it thinks those are at /*.css - not /coapp.org/out/*.css
20:03:48  <FearTheCowboy>just browse to http://localhost:9778/
20:03:52  <Scotis>ah
20:04:01  <Scotis>tx :|
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21:05:17  <wwahammy>Using the AddToPolicy (or RemoveFromPolicy) methods in PackageManager, how does one input a wellknown group like "Everyone"? Do you just pass in "Everyone" or the SecurityIdentifier for it or what?
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22:24:06  <FearTheCowboy>wwahammy -> either should work, actually
22:24:13  <wwahammy>alright
22:25:04  <FearTheCowboy>there
22:25:23  <FearTheCowboy>are actually commands in coapp.exe to do this; use coapp list-policy to see the policies
22:25:44  <wwahammy>alrighty
22:25:44  <FearTheCowboy>and then you can use coapp add-to-policy and coapp remove-from-policy
22:27:01  <wwahammy>alright
22:27:15  <FearTheCowboy>Yeah, I've just verified that; it will take either
22:27:27  <wwahammy>cool
22:29:34  <wwahammy>AddFeed doesn't seem to work. I'm filing a bug right now
22:29:44  <FearTheCowboy>ok
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22:36:38  <FearTheCowboy>wwahammy -> fyi, I'm quickly throwing together a much simpler interface for packagemanager that doesn't require as much complexity around the async stuff.
22:37:02  <wwahammy>oh my god, I could hug you
22:37:26  <FearTheCowboy>I should have something tomorrow or thursday you can use.
22:37:30  <wwahammy>awesome
22:37:34  <wwahammy>thank you so much :)
22:37:42  <FearTheCowboy>muuuuuuch simpler. A tad less flexible, but much simpler.
22:40:15  <FearTheCowboy>actually, got a quick second?
22:40:45  <FearTheCowboy>https://join.microsoft.com/meet/garretts/WFCZR0D0
22:44:51  <Scotis>FearTheCowboy -> i've got most of stuff in packages.xml now represented in Javascript
22:44:59  <FearTheCowboy>sawweeeeet
22:45:18  <FearTheCowboy>wwahammy -> https://join.microsoft.com/meet/garretts/WFCZR0D0 ?
22:45:41  <Scotis>brb
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22:49:37  <FearTheCowboy>wwahammy ?
22:50:32  <virmitio>I'm guessing he fell off the earth
22:50:38  <FearTheCowboy>I see that
22:51:00  <virmitio>irc needs signal flares
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23:01:36  <Scotis>is the Name attribute in <coapp:Package as good unique identifier?
23:01:52  <FearTheCowboy>is it the whole canonical name?
23:02:01  <Scotis>ex: berkeleydb[vc8]-dev
23:02:23  <Scotis>i mean - to group packages w/ multiple version and archs
23:02:26  <FearTheCowboy>that's good for drill-down purposes
23:02:28  <FearTheCowboy>yeah
23:02:31  <Scotis>ok cool
23:02:31  <FearTheCowboy>that's good then
23:04:17  <FearTheCowboy>unless you wanted to parse out the flavor (stuff in the [] ) and make it slightly more generic
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23:39:10  <madewokherd>[17:50:34] <virmitio> irc needs signal flares <-- they'd be abused of course
23:39:17  <auroraeosrose>signal flares?
23:39:18  <madewokherd>and to some extent already are
23:40:14  <virmitio>of course they'd be abused
23:40:24  <virmitio>I'd likely be a prime abbuser of them
23:41:31  <auroraeosrose>I want tasers
23:41:34  <auroraeosrose>irc tasers
23:41:39  * auroraeosrosetases you bro
23:42:12  * virmitiostands tased...
23:43:56  <Scotis>FearTheCowbow -> will the stuff in brackets [] always specify the vc vversion?