00:19:32  <madewokherd>http://www.winehq.org/pipermail/wine-devel/2012-March/094545.html
00:20:55  <madewokherd>"The bad news: no fully win32 API on ARM"
00:21:01  <madewokherd>"Bad news? Quite the contrary. Good use case for Wine on Windows."
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16:09:52  <vpovirk>let's find out if autopackage crashes today
16:10:04  <auroraeosrose>of course it does
16:10:14  <vpovirk>but there's a new version
16:10:16  <vpovirk>maybe it's different
16:10:28  <auroraeosrose>LOL
16:10:31  * auroraeosrosemumbles
16:10:34  <auroraeosrose>I can still crash it
16:11:00  <vpovirk>"can" implies it sometimes doesn't crash?
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16:22:14  <vpovirk>or maybe the new version will just never install
16:22:23  <vpovirk>maybe I should run cleaner and start over
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16:27:22  <FearTheCowboy>You might as well run the cleaner and install the latest
16:29:01  <vpovirk>still can't run "coapp list" as a normal user
16:29:58  <mpreisler>just wanted to say that this is an amazing project, kudos to devs
16:30:18  <FearTheCowboy>mpreisler -> thanks!
16:30:32  <mpreisler>is the packaging process outlined somewhere?
16:30:51  <mpreisler>I can only find "todo" documentation for packages :)
16:30:53  <mpreisler>packagers
16:31:11  <vpovirk>can't connect to the service except as administrator; is that supposed to happen?
16:31:25  <FearTheCowboy>mpreisler -> Some of it is http://coapp.org/developers/packagingbestpractices.html
16:31:32  <FearTheCowboy>poke Virmitio for more help
16:31:49  <FearTheCowboy>vpovirk -> hmm. no, it should work as regular user
16:32:04  <FearTheCowboy>I don't recall changing anything that should have broken that.
16:32:22  <Virmitio>somebody rang?
16:33:00  <FearTheCowboy>vpovirk -> file a bug on that, we'll look into it https://github.com/coapp/coapp/issues
16:33:59  <FearTheCowboy>Virmitio -> mpreisler was looking for some guidance on making packages; I know we've got *some* docs, and its a bit sketchy, but you could probably help him out
16:34:27  <mpreisler>Virmitio: I would like to package cegui.org.uk and possibly ogre, would allow newbies to get developing faster
16:34:47  <mpreisler>as far as I can see most of the deps are already packaged
16:35:11  <Virmitio>what deps does it need?
16:35:35  * FearTheCowboywill be back in a few minutes; gotta grab some breakfast
16:36:04  <mpreisler>zlib, freetype, freeimage (or several other image libs)
16:36:15  <mpreisler>none of it is a hard dependency but without anything it's not really useful
16:36:27  <Virmitio>understandable
16:36:57  <mpreisler>I am currently bus commuting so net is sketchy, I will try to make some experiments when I get home
16:37:09  <Virmitio>zlib is done and in the package feed, the others are in progress for final packaging
16:38:02  <mpreisler>btw does MS endorse this in any way or is it just spare time effort?
16:38:09  <mpreisler>I know some of you are MS employees :)
16:38:14  <mpreisler>if that's not a secret of course :)
16:38:19  <Virmitio>mostly it boils down to "can you compile it on windows?", and if so, "what output files should be in the released package?"
16:39:13  <vpovirk>this is actually their job at MS
16:39:19  <mpreisler>cool
16:40:49  <Virmitio>yep, myself and FearTheCowboy are paid to work on this project, but the project itself is not a "supported" product
16:41:21  <Virmitio>so, don't try calling an MS help line about coapp. they'll either not know what you're talking about or they'll laugh at you
16:41:25  <Virmitio>so will I
16:41:25  <mpreisler>I am mostly a GNU/Linux user but I do maintain several things and building them on Windows has always been a nightmare for me
16:41:31  <auroraeosrose>it's basically like any company that pays to have someone work on open source ;)
16:41:35  <wwahammy>mpreisler -> I'm not an MS employee but I'm a consultant paid by Microsoft
16:41:45  <mpreisler>mostly because of dependencies and tons of runtime options
16:42:17  <wwahammy>mpreisler -> that's why most of us got involved :)
16:43:32  <auroraeosrose>yeah, supporting stuff on windows is currently a pita
16:43:37  <auroraeosrose>and no one needs 15 copies of zlib
16:43:39  <auroraeosrose>in memory
16:43:41  <auroraeosrose>at once
16:43:41  <auroraeosrose>oy
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17:26:42  <vpovirk>FearTheCowboy: did you read that wine-devel thread yet?
17:30:35  <FearTheCowboy>Yeah, I read that this morning. Very interesting :)
17:30:41  <FearTheCowboy>#CoApp conf call today @ 10:30PST : http://j.mp/qdy0i6 -- Use the Lync client to connect: http://j.mp/y90Nc2 or http://j.mp/wmZr0D
17:32:35  * vpovirktypos the j.mp url and ends up in some random place
17:33:44  <ender`>wine/arm port? :)
17:35:36  <vpovirk>yeah, apparently we can run WOA desktop programs now
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17:38:08  <vpovirk>bah, the instructions for calling in don't have a phone number
17:38:54  <FearTheCowboy>Toll Free: 1(888)320-3585
17:38:54  <FearTheCowboy>Local: 1(425)706-3500 or https://join.microsoft.com/dialin for a local number
17:38:54  <FearTheCowboy>Conference ID: 640823217
17:41:38  <wwahammy>vpovirk: where is this wine-devel thread at?
17:41:49  <FearTheCowboy>http://www.winehq.org/pipermail/wine-devel/2012-March/094545.html
17:43:44  <wwahammy>very cool
17:45:36  <FearTheCowboy>rrivera is actually here?! WTF?
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18:18:11  <auroraeosrose>I can't be in the whole meeting - have you gys started yet?
18:18:19  <FearTheCowboy>not yet
18:18:39  <auroraeosrose>ping me please when you are
18:27:49  <ender`>http://www.zdnet.com/blog/bott/sorry-power-users-windows-8-is-built-for-small-displays/4620
18:31:32  <FearTheCowboy>auroraeosrose gonna start the 'offical' call in a sec
18:34:55  <rrivera>auroraeosrose auroraeosroseauroraeosrose auroraeosroseauroraeosrose auroraeosroseauroraeosrose auroraeosroseauroraeosrose auroraeosroseauroraeosrose auroraeosroseauroraeosrose auroraeosroseauroraeosrose auroraeosroseauroraeosrose auroraeosroseauroraeosrose auroraeosroseauroraeosrose auroraeosroseauroraeosrose auroraeosroseauroraeosrose auroraeosroseauroraeosrose auroraeosroseauroraeosrose
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18:36:26  <ender`>wow, xchat crashed
18:36:47  <rrivera>sweet
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19:35:03  <rrivera>auroraeosrose you're fired.
19:37:24  <auroraeosrose>rrivera: ack
19:37:26  <auroraeosrose>work is eating me
19:37:32  <auroraeosrose>you still on?
19:37:33  <auroraeosrose>or done
19:37:37  <Virmitio>still here
19:37:43  <rrivera>we're here
19:37:46  <rrivera>STILL WAITING FOR YOU
19:37:53  <auroraeosrose>LOL
19:37:55  <auroraeosrose>sure you are
19:37:58  <auroraeosrose>dammit, argh
19:38:11  <auroraeosrose>how come it takes lync forever to decide to "start up"
19:38:20  <rrivera>your pentium is too slow
19:38:38  <auroraeosrose>ain't no pentium and it can run 3 vms at once with no lag
19:38:42  <rrivera>that or all that php is clogging your pipes
19:38:43  <FearTheCowboy>auroraeosrose -> Keyboard Driver
19:38:44  <auroraeosrose>I blame Firefox + lync
19:38:46  <auroraeosrose>LOL
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20:12:57  <vpovirk>I have returned
20:13:18  <ender`>the call's still going
20:32:06  <vpovirk>I give up, the call hates me today
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20:38:00  <saivert>trouble getting on the conference call?
20:38:16  <ender`>saivert: you're not using the silverlight client, are you?
20:39:14  <ender`>(don't)
20:40:36  <vpovirk>it disconnects me whenever I send a message in chat
20:40:42  <vpovirk>also I ended up there twice somehow
20:41:50  <FearTheCowboy>We;re pretty much done here anyway.
20:42:01  <FearTheCowboy>nothing groundbreaking or critical
20:42:11  <FearTheCowboy>and.. my delivery is here
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