00:04:04  <HamishC>minutes so hopefully i didnt break anything
00:04:13  <HamishC>pushed my changes to apr,expat,libiconv,libxml2,lua,openssl,pcre,serf,httpd if anyone want to try it. The packages are the bare minimum to get it working, so still require lots of work. I'm away for a week starting in
00:04:13  <FearTheCowboy>Hmm. So far so good. the client is far more reliable to start the engine now; and at the same time, startup is one hell of a lot faster!
00:04:26  <HamishC>oh that posted back to front
00:04:29  <FearTheCowboy>LO
00:04:55  <FearTheCowboy>HamishC => awesome; virmitio will be working with that you can be sure
00:05:02  <virmitio>yep
00:05:06  <HamishC>sweet
00:05:24  <virmitio>making sure that's clean and happy will be tomorrows big chore
00:06:32  <virmitio>hopefully I'll actually have a full range of package files for all of those (in various platforms/flavors) in the next few days
00:08:13  <HamishC>just bear in mind that httpd, apr and maybe others are trunk versions...
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00:49:31  <madewokherd>I will definitely need some of those first-ish if AUTOPACKAGE WOULD STOP CRASHING
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04:37:26  <Scotis_>when i do 'coapp update coapp.toolkit' on 1377 it gives me: 'A conflict exists between the following packages: coapp.toolkit- coapp.toolkit-'
04:37:46  <FearTheCowboy>oh, that's not cool.
04:37:51  <FearTheCowboy>hmmm.
04:38:19  <FearTheCowboy>I've just noticed that I broke the bootstrapper too...
04:38:21  <FearTheCowboy>*sigh8
04:38:27  <Scotis_>i get a similar thing when i update coapp.devtools
04:38:55  <Scotis_>huzzah!?
04:38:58  <FearTheCowboy>hmmm
04:39:09  <madewokherd>that happens any time I update anything
04:39:12  <madewokherd>it's been like that for a while
04:39:20  <madewokherd>I just install the version it says
04:39:59  <Scotis_>its the same version
04:42:57  <FearTheCowboy>As soon as I fix the problem I'm working on right now, I'll take a look at that.
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04:58:33  <Scotis_>I think you should put a 'TM' on the end of that phrase ;)
04:59:41  <Scotis_>in superscript of course
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16:56:49  <virmitio>FearTheCowboy: I need to pick your brain when you get a chance
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18:18:21  <Scotis>when i try to update the tookit from 1377 i'm still getting the error 'A conflict exists between the following packages'
18:18:28  <Scotis>should i clean and re-install?
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18:20:17  <FearTheCowboy>is that with coapp update coapp.toolkit ?
18:22:02  <FearTheCowboy>or with coapp install coapp.toolkit- ?
18:22:48  <Scotis>with update
18:23:01  <madewokherd>virmitio: btw, the fact that you're apparently asking me to approve your changes to berkeleydb before pushing them seems odd to me
18:23:21  <FearTheCowboy>try install
18:23:22  <Scotis>just tried the install - that worked
18:23:25  <FearTheCowboy>ok
18:23:27  <madewokherd>partly because I think of you MS guys as "owning" the project, and partly because I'm not sure I would do the same
18:24:00  <Scotis>i'm on 1386 now - doing a coapp update coapp.devtools gives me the same error
18:24:20  <FearTheCowboy>what version of devtools are you on right now
18:24:29  <Scotis>1351
18:24:47  <FearTheCowboy>hmmmm.
18:25:09  <FearTheCowboy>I did an update from 1352 or 1353 to 1354 no problem.
18:25:10  <FearTheCowboy>hmmm.
18:25:35  <FearTheCowboy>I'll spin up a VM and install an older one and see if I can reproduce that issue.
18:25:47  <FearTheCowboy>use coapp install for this one
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18:27:01  <virmitio>madewokherd: you're the one who put in all of the initial effort, and you're just as likely as I am to find issues in changes that I propose for producing other flavors or architectures of the package
18:27:13  <Scotis>ok
18:28:04  <madewokherd>I guess, but your goal is clearly not wrong, and I'd review the changes after they're pushed anyway
18:28:11  <virmitio>madewokherd: I'm actually fixing a few other issues in the mass build before pushing another commit up to the pull request for final approval.
18:29:33  <virmitio>well, this way there's the version that you've pushed and that we all know works at least a little bit. I can break this as much as I want trying to make it build additional packages without having (many) intermediate problems for people who try building with your "known good" repo
18:31:32  <madewokherd>well, I'm not in a position to test it (especially since autopackage doesn't work for me); I'm relying on you for that
18:32:52  <madewokherd>I'm not sure what approach we should take to make sure there's a known good version, but usually master isn't that (it's expected to break occasionally, though not on purpose)
18:34:03  <virmitio>that being the case, if you're ok with it I'll go ahead and confirm the pull request when I've got everything working properly
18:34:41  <madewokherd>well, there's one thing I'm not ok with wrt confirming the pull request, which is that doing it via the web interface creates a merge commit when we don't need one
18:35:16  <madewokherd>but you'd be within your rights to tell me I'm crazy and that doesn't matter
18:36:31  <virmitio>at this time, I don't think that is a going concern, but if you'd rather discuss it with me before I do anything I'm willing to listen
18:37:24  <madewokherd>it's really just that I don't want the history cluttered with merges other than upstream into master, which have a clear meaning and purpose
18:38:17  <madewokherd>the shape that you get from just those merges seems easier to follow to me
18:44:58  <virmitio>I'll see what I can do to achieve the look you'd prefer
18:46:29  <madewokherd>what you can do is push your changes
18:50:34  <madewokherd>well, anyway, your latest change looks fine to me
18:50:54  <virmitio>yeah, it's actually still broken
18:51:10  <madewokherd>assuming for loops work properly with a comma-separated list
18:52:18  <virmitio>I've fixed it, but discovered that the .sln files don't build the same projects between x86 and x64 (x64 target appears to be missing db_log_verify)
18:53:39  <virmitio>and while the vc8 x86 build works fine, it dies horribly on x64 (unable to locate stdio.h, sys/types.h, and errno.h in many of the projects)
18:54:35  <auroraeosrose>hmmm
18:54:43  <auroraeosrose>those are non-windowsy
18:54:46  <auroraeosrose>;)
18:54:47  <virmitio>which makes me think there's an include directive missing on the x64 targets, but I'm not seeing any obviously missing
18:55:09  <madewokherd>I don't actually know what db-log-verify does
18:55:42  <madewokherd>nor am I packaging it yet
18:55:59  <virmitio>neither do I, but adding it to the build list for the x64 target was trivial and worked without issue
18:56:10  <madewokherd>I should be able to get a man page out of debian
18:59:01  <madewokherd>looks like debian doesn't package it
18:59:23  * virmitiois off to a meeting and will be back in a bit
19:01:01  <madewokherd>ah, they do, it's just newer than the debian I have
19:01:12  <madewokherd>and they do have a 64-bit version
19:01:16  <madewokherd>so I don't know what's up with that
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